Hi Esther, I did take this into account but didn't think to mention it. SOmetimes I spend so much time focusing on the complexity of a task that I forget to mention the simple things, :).
I just tried going backward and forward in Safari, and I'm fine. Perhaps I didn't enable the functions which trigger these conflicting shortcuts. For those of you who do find a conflicting shortcut, you can always remap it in keyboard shortcuts. You can also set the shortcut to have no hotkey. The shortcut will then appear in your services menu without a hotkey attached to it, and you can use it by going to the services menu. I just tested this theory by invoking the remove extra spaces function. Voiceover confirmed its success by reporting back, "Selection deleted." I have nothing mapped to this shortcut as of now. On Sep 28, 2010, at 1:37 AM, Esther wrote: > Hi Rose, > > Word Services is indeed a useful add-on, but I should warn you and others > that it works by installing shortcuts for many of these functions, and that > several of these conflict with default shortcuts that most VoiceOver users > use (for example to move forward and backwards to previous and next page in > the Safari Browser). I'll have to look these up, but I remember that when I > installed these on my G4 PowerBook two years ago I had to spend some time > sorting out the preferences files to remove conflicts with other shortcuts > that I was using. > > HTH. Cheers, > > Esther > > On Sep 27, 2010, Rose Morales wrote: > >> Hi all, >> In the Office 2011 thread, we have been discussing several possible >> alternatives to Office for Mac. WHile this is not exactly an alternative, I >> thought it would be something nice for all to consider. I did a search >> through the group, and it seems no one has mentioned this Add-on before. >> >> In addition to offering the Bean app for download, the web site for Bean >> recommend a number of additional applications. One of which is WordService. >> THis is not so much an application as it is an add-on. THis add-on allows >> you to add extra functionality to a word processor which may not already be >> included: insert contents of path, insert short date, insert long date, >> insert time, convert to initial caps of all sentences, initial caps of >> words, make all words lowercase, set all to uppercase, convert spaces to >> tabulators, convert all line breaks to carriage returns, convert from >> Windows to Mac encoding, convert from Mac to WIndows encoding, remove line >> breaks, remove attachments, remove links, remove extra spaces, remove quotes >> in emails, etc. There are just too many functions to list here. The add-on >> adds all these options and more to your service menu. >> >> From their readme: >> This service provides 37 functions to convert, format or speak the currently >> selected text, >> to insert data or to show statistics of the selection within all Cocoa >> applications (e.g. Textedit, Mail, >> Stickies, Notes, Fire, OmniWeb, ProjectBuilder or TeXShop) and Carbon >> applications supporting >> services. >> >> THey also make reference to this article which describes what services >> actually do on/for your mac. >> >> http://highschoolblows.blogspot.com/2005/11/mac-os-x-services-menu-you-never-go-to.html >> >> To install WordService, simply copy WordService.service into your services >> folder under the library folder that's in your home folder. An easy way to >> get to your home folder in Finder is to hit command-shift-h. The readme then >> recommends that you log out and back in again. However, there's an >> additional step to get this add-on working with Snow Leopard. The readme >> doesn't mention this. I would assume this is because the add-on is designed >> for earlier versions of OSX. But I did some research, performed these steps, >> and the add-on worked for me. You will have to go into system preferences, >> keyboard, keyboard shortcuts, and select the services category in the >> shortcuts categories table. You will then need to check the boxes of the >> services you wish to show up in your services menu. >> >> If you're like me, you probably bypass the readme when installing mac apps >> unless you see a crucial need. I highly recommend not bypassing this one. It >> lists all the functions of WordService and describes what each one does. It >> also explains how you can further customize this add-on if you so choose. >> >> On Sep 27, 2010, at 11:04 AM, Justin Ekis wrote: >> >>> I have found a free word processor that has just enough extra features over >>> textedit to make it sufficient for most of my writing needs in college. The >>> program's name is bean. I don't have a feature list in front of me, but I >>> do remember the address of the site. >>> http://www.bean-osx.com >>> >>> I remember not being particularly impressed by the feature list on the >>> site, but I was curious enough to read the change log for a little more >>> detail. I realized that though it doesn't have all of the power of pages, >>> it has those few little extra things that textedit lacked for my needs. >>> >>> For those interested in iwork, amazon.com is selling it for $49.99 which is >>> about $30 less than retail and you get free shipping. >>> >>> Hope someone finds this information helpful. >>> >>> Justin >>> >>> >>> On Sep 27, 2010, at 5:15 AM, Rose Morales wrote: >>> >>> The problem with something like Notepad is that notepad can only write text >>> files. This is fine if you're just looking to jot down a note or ten. Hence >>> the name notepad, :). MS Word is designed to let you format your text. Now, >>> one could use Wordpad, but that doesn't have a spellchecker. Furthermore, >>> MS Word is able to handle some pretty advanced word processing features: >>> indices, table of contents, table of figures, table of authorities, >>> outlines, bulleted lists, subdocuments, styles, track changes, tables, >>> charts, simple excel calculations and formulas, mail merge, envelope >>> labeling, and probably more I'm not thinking of. WHile your average MS Word >>> user might not even know half of these features exist, there are others who >>> simply cannot live without them. Personally, having taken a course in >>> Office, I can certainly appreciate the idea of MS Word for mac. An awesome >>> word processor on an even more awesome OS? That sounds lovely. Too bad that >>> won't happen for awhile. With that being said, let's look at some of Pages >>> notable features: numerous preloaded templates, the ability to create >>> custom templates, easy insertion of headers and footers, styles, track >>> changes, mail merge, footnotes, endnotes, bookmarks, tables, charts, and >>> formulas. And Pages has the ability to export not only to word documents >>> but epub, rtf, PDF, and html. You can't save as .docx yet, which is a pity, >>> but you can open .docx files just fine. >>> >>> I'm not saying all this to suggest that everyone immediately love Pages. We >>> can all agree it lacks some features which word has. Honestly, my first >>> instinct is to fire up Word when I'm doing some intense document writing >>> and editing. And I'm a hard core Mac girl. For my every day writing, I use >>> Text Edit, and I love it. I call it WOrdpad on steroids because Wordpad >>> doesn't have a spellchecker, the ability to save to PDF, or the ability to >>> implement basic styles. At any rate, what I am suggesting is that we as Mac >>> users (those of us with Pages at least) step back and say, okay, Pages >>> isn't word. But what can it offer me? Is there some word processing I could >>> be doing in Pages which I previously only did in Word? And if we don't know >>> the answer, why not try creating that document in Pages when we're not on a >>> time crunch? We might just surprise ourselves. In an effort to remain >>> objective, I will also take the opportunity to include this link in my >>> post. It is to Pages reviews on macupdate.com. >>> >>> http://www.macupdate.com/reviews.php?id=17494 >>> On Sep 27, 2010, at 5:51 AM, ISAAC OBIE wrote: >>> >>>> Hi Kawal, >>>> Frankly, I don't like programs like MS Word because it's too big for what >>>> I want to do. It's huge, clumsy and plain a pain in the posterior. I love >>>> notepad! I think Notepad can do all I want including cleaning up a file. >>>> Now when I really get in to the Mac I think Text edit might do the trick. >>>> I honestly don't know yet. Maybe Esther's "Simplenote" might do it. I'll >>>> have to explore that at some point. >>>> Isaac >>>> ----- Original Message ----- From: "Kawal Gucukoglu" >>>> <kawal_gucuko...@sent.com> >>>> To: <macvisionaries@googlegroups.com> >>>> Sent: Monday, September 27, 2010 4:27 AM >>>> Subject: Re: Microsoft Office 2011 and VoiceOver >>>> >>>> >>>>> I too will be switching to I works rather than working with Microsoft >>>>> Products in the future. >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> Kawal Gucukoglu >>>>> >>>>> On 27 Sep 2010, at 12:53 AM, gkearney <gkear...@gmail.com> wrote: >>>>> >>>>>> It is interesting to note that the ribbons were accessible, much of >>>>>> the user interface is as well. It is the main content areas that are >>>>>> not accessible. >>>>>> >>>>>> Greg >>>>>> >>>>>> On Sep 27, 6:16 am, "Dave Taylor" <davetay...@tafn.org.uk> wrote: >>>>>>> I bet that if they tried, they would soon realise that the ribbons >>>>>>> would be >>>>>>> difficult if not impossible to implement with VO anyway. As it is, their >>>>>>> insistence on these awful things is one of my key drivers for making the >>>>>>> switch, though there are many others too. Mike, the podcast where you >>>>>>> install Snow Leopard is as good a demonstration as anything of how far >>>>>>> things have come on the Mac side, I'm afraid it is the opposite story, >>>>>>> almost the reverse story, on the windows side! >>>>>>> >>>>>>> Cheers >>>>>>> Dave >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> -----Original Message----- >>>>>>> From: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com >>>>>>> >>>>>>> [mailto:macvisionar...@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Mike Arrigo >>>>>>> Sent: Sunday, September 26, 2010 11:03 PM >>>>>>> To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com >>>>>>> Subject: Re: Microsoft Office 2011 and VoiceOver >>>>>>> >>>>>>> I don't think he said it was a beta. It is very disappointing indeed, >>>>>>> really, Microsoft has no excuse for this one, it's not like they were >>>>>>> not >>>>>>> aware of accessibility and voice over, they just chose not to do >>>>>>> anything >>>>>>> with it. Apple has created a built in screen reader and provided the >>>>>>> APIs to >>>>>>> make programs accessible, Microsoft has definitely shown their interest >>>>>>> in >>>>>>> this. At least on the mac, there are alternatives that will handle >>>>>>> Microsoft >>>>>>> Office files, namely iwork and open office. >>>>>>> On Sep 26, 2010, at 3:18 PM, M. Taylor wrote: >>>>>>> >>>>>>>> Hello Greg, >>>>>>> >>>>>>>> Thank you so much for providing this info. >>>>>>> >>>>>>>> I cannot begin to relay how sad and disappointed I am at the news of >>>>>>>> Microsoft's Office 2011 VoiceOver inaccessibility. >>>>>>> >>>>>>>> Wow! >>>>>>> >>>>>>>> You know, when I installed the very first beta of Windows 7, it was >>>>>>>> completely accessible. That is to say, as soon as one launched the >>>>>>>> installation program for Windows 7, a very clear voice prompt asked if >>>>>>> audio >>>>>>>> assistance was required. This came as a total surprise to me, to say >>>>>>>> the >>>>>>>> least. I answered in the affirmative and was able to install Windows 7 >>>>>>>> without any sighted assistance, whatsoever. I installed that first >>>>>>>> beta >>>>>>> on >>>>>>>> three of my computers. By the way, the voice that was used to guide me >>>>>>>> through the setup was not that of Narrator--it was much clearer. >>>>>>> >>>>>>>> Astonishingly, with the release of the next beta of Windows 7, this >>>>>>> feature >>>>>>>> was removed. I was shocked, disappointed, and angry, to say the least. >>>>>>> >>>>>>>> It was then that I began considering purchasing a Macintosh. >>>>>>> >>>>>>>> It's been much too long to recall how I came to learn Microsoft's >>>>>>>> reason >>>>>>> for >>>>>>>> removing this feature but they said they removed it for security >>>>>>>> concerns; >>>>>>>> to which I exclaim, "TommyRot!!!!!" Or, to put it in the vernacular, >>>>>>>> "That's a load of crap!!!!" >>>>>>> >>>>>>>> Greg, is it possible that the final release of Office 2011 will be >>>>>>> VoiceOver >>>>>>>> accessible? I mean, you reviewed a beta, did you not? Perhaps I'm >>>>>>>> just >>>>>>>> grasping at straws, eh? (Smile) >>>>>>> >>>>>>>> Thanks again for giving us a proverbial "heads-up" on this one. >>>>>>> >>>>>>>> Most Sincerely, >>>>>>> >>>>>>>> mark >>>>>>>> - >>>>>>> >>>>>>>> -----Original Message----- >>>>>>>> From: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com >>>>>>>> [mailto:macvisionar...@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Greg Kearney >>>>>>>> Sent: Sunday, September 26, 2010 1:22 AM >>>>>>>> To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com; macvoiceo...@freelists.org; Mary >>>>>>>> Beth >>>>>>>> Janes; Mike Shebanek >>>>>>>> Subject: Microsoft Office 2011 and VoiceOver >>>>>>> >>>>>>>> It is my sad duty to report that after getting a chance to test >>>>>>>> Microsoft >>>>>>>> Office 2011 for Mac that it is no more accessible in this version than >>>>>>>> in >>>>>>>> any of the previous versions. As in the past it is impossible to >>>>>>>> interact >>>>>>>> with any of the content areas of the program. You are not able to >>>>>>>> review, >>>>>>>> read or edit the text area in Word or Excel. >>>>>>> >>>>>>>> It should not be clear to all that Microsoft has no intention of ever >>>>>>> fixing >>>>>>>> these issues. I communicated directly with Microsoft over the same >>>>>>>> failing >>>>>>>> in Office 2008. The fact that after a complete rewire of the programs >>>>>>>> they >>>>>>>> remain inaccessible to the built in screen reader of the OS to me speak >>>>>>>> volumes about Microsoft's total lack of commitment to accessibility on >>>>>>>> the >>>>>>>> Macintosh platform and may well speak to Microsoft's general >>>>>>>> commitment to >>>>>>>> the platform as well. >>>>>>> >>>>>>>> Gregory Kearney | Manager Accessible Media >>>>>>>> Association for the Blind of WA - Guide Dogs WA >>>>>>>> PO Box 101, Victoria Park WA 6979 | 61 Kitchener Ave, Victoria Park WA >>>>>>> 6100 >>>>>>>> Tel: 08 9311 8246 | Fax: 08 9361 8696 |www.guidedogswa.com.au >>>>>>>> Tel: 307-224-4022 (North America) >>>>>>>> Email: greg.kear...@guidedogswa.com.au >>>>>>>> Email: gkear...@gmail.com >>>>>>> >>>>>>>> - > > > -- > You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups > "MacVisionaries" group. > To post to this group, send email to macvisionar...@googlegroups.com. > To unsubscribe from this group, send email to > macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. > For more options, visit this group at > http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries?hl=en. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "MacVisionaries" group. 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