Cheree Heppe here: That sounds like a plan. How does IWorks differ from the Microsoft product?
Regards, Cheree Heppe ----- Original Message ----- From: "Kawal Gucukoglu" <kawal_gucuko...@sent.com> To: <macvisionaries@googlegroups.com> Sent: Monday, September 27, 2010 1:27 AM Subject: Re: Microsoft Office 2011 and VoiceOver >I too will be switching to I works rather than working with Microsoft Products >in the future. > > > Kawal Gucukoglu > > On 27 Sep 2010, at 12:53 AM, gkearney <gkear...@gmail.com> wrote: > >> It is interesting to note that the ribbons were accessible, much of >> the user interface is as well. It is the main content areas that are >> not accessible. >> >> Greg >> >> On Sep 27, 6:16 am, "Dave Taylor" <davetay...@tafn.org.uk> wrote: >>> I bet that if they tried, they would soon realise that the ribbons would be >>> difficult if not impossible to implement with VO anyway. As it is, their >>> insistence on these awful things is one of my key drivers for making the >>> switch, though there are many others too. Mike, the podcast where you >>> install Snow Leopard is as good a demonstration as anything of how far >>> things have come on the Mac side, I'm afraid it is the opposite story, >>> almost the reverse story, on the windows side! >>> >>> Cheers >>> Dave >>> >>> >>> >>> -----Original Message----- >>> From: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com >>> >>> [mailto:macvisionar...@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Mike Arrigo >>> Sent: Sunday, September 26, 2010 11:03 PM >>> To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com >>> Subject: Re: Microsoft Office 2011 and VoiceOver >>> >>> I don't think he said it was a beta. It is very disappointing indeed, >>> really, Microsoft has no excuse for this one, it's not like they were not >>> aware of accessibility and voice over, they just chose not to do anything >>> with it. Apple has created a built in screen reader and provided the APIs to >>> make programs accessible, Microsoft has definitely shown their interest in >>> this. At least on the mac, there are alternatives that will handle Microsoft >>> Office files, namely iwork and open office. >>> On Sep 26, 2010, at 3:18 PM, M. Taylor wrote: >>> >>>> Hello Greg, >>> >>>> Thank you so much for providing this info. >>> >>>> I cannot begin to relay how sad and disappointed I am at the news of >>>> Microsoft's Office 2011 VoiceOver inaccessibility. >>> >>>> Wow! >>> >>>> You know, when I installed the very first beta of Windows 7, it was >>>> completely accessible. That is to say, as soon as one launched the >>>> installation program for Windows 7, a very clear voice prompt asked if >>> audio >>>> assistance was required. This came as a total surprise to me, to say the >>>> least. I answered in the affirmative and was able to install Windows 7 >>>> without any sighted assistance, whatsoever. I installed that first beta >>> on >>>> three of my computers. By the way, the voice that was used to guide me >>>> through the setup was not that of Narrator--it was much clearer. >>> >>>> Astonishingly, with the release of the next beta of Windows 7, this >>> feature >>>> was removed. I was shocked, disappointed, and angry, to say the least. >>> >>>> It was then that I began considering purchasing a Macintosh. >>> >>>> It's been much too long to recall how I came to learn Microsoft's reason >>> for >>>> removing this feature but they said they removed it for security concerns; >>>> to which I exclaim, "TommyRot!!!!!" Or, to put it in the vernacular, >>>> "That's a load of crap!!!!" >>> >>>> Greg, is it possible that the final release of Office 2011 will be >>> VoiceOver >>>> accessible? I mean, you reviewed a beta, did you not? Perhaps I'm just >>>> grasping at straws, eh? (Smile) >>> >>>> Thanks again for giving us a proverbial "heads-up" on this one. >>> >>>> Most Sincerely, >>> >>>> mark >>>> - >>> >>>> -----Original Message----- >>>> From: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com >>>> [mailto:macvisionar...@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Greg Kearney >>>> Sent: Sunday, September 26, 2010 1:22 AM >>>> To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com; macvoiceo...@freelists.org; Mary Beth >>>> Janes; Mike Shebanek >>>> Subject: Microsoft Office 2011 and VoiceOver >>> >>>> It is my sad duty to report that after getting a chance to test Microsoft >>>> Office 2011 for Mac that it is no more accessible in this version than in >>>> any of the previous versions. As in the past it is impossible to interact >>>> with any of the content areas of the program. You are not able to review, >>>> read or edit the text area in Word or Excel. >>> >>>> It should not be clear to all that Microsoft has no intention of ever >>> fixing >>>> these issues. I communicated directly with Microsoft over the same failing >>>> in Office 2008. The fact that after a complete rewire of the programs they >>>> remain inaccessible to the built in screen reader of the OS to me speak >>>> volumes about Microsoft's total lack of commitment to accessibility on the >>>> Macintosh platform and may well speak to Microsoft's general commitment to >>>> the platform as well. >>> >>>> Gregory Kearney | Manager Accessible Media >>>> Association for the Blind of WA - Guide Dogs WA >>>> PO Box 101, Victoria Park WA 6979 | 61 Kitchener Ave, Victoria Park WA >>> 6100 >>>> Tel: 08 9311 8246 | Fax: 08 9361 8696 |www.guidedogswa.com.au >>>> Tel: 307-224-4022 (North America) >>>> Email: greg.kear...@guidedogswa.com.au >>>> Email: gkear...@gmail.com >>> >>>> -- >>>> You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups >>>> "MacVisionaries" group. >>>> To post to this group, send email to macvisionar...@googlegroups.com. >>>> To unsubscribe from this group, send email to >>>> macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. >>>> For more options, visit this group at >>>> http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries?hl=en. >>> >>>> -- >>>> You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups >>> "MacVisionaries" group. >>>> To post to this group, send email to macvisionar...@googlegroups.com. >>>> To unsubscribe from this group, send email to >>> macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. >>>> For more options, visit this group >>>> athttp://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries?hl=en. >>> >>> -- >>> You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups >>> "MacVisionaries" group. >>> To post to this group, send email to macvisionar...@googlegroups.com. >>> To unsubscribe from this group, send email to >>> macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. >>> For more options, visit this group >>> athttp://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries?hl=en. >> >> -- >> You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups >> "MacVisionaries" group. >> To post to this group, send email to macvisionar...@googlegroups.com. >> To unsubscribe from this group, send email to >> macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. >> For more options, visit this group at >> http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries?hl=en. >> > > -- > You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups > "MacVisionaries" group. > To post to this group, send email to macvisionar...@googlegroups.com. > To unsubscribe from this group, send email to > macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. > For more options, visit this group at > http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries?hl=en. > > -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "MacVisionaries" group. 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