Long read but a decent one. I l;ike the chgopice of the word "dependency". If I misunderstand its meaning, I will find out. (smiles) I am not comfortable with absolute reliance on outside storage for starters. The concept makes sense. But if say there is an outage, will that break everything on the local level. An anal;igy would be if I lose power at home, I still have access to my machine as long as its battery has life.

I do think subscriptions to receive major updates is quite fair. Surely we will have that choice and if we opt out, still maintain access to the app. It would not make sense nor would it serve the developer if we lose access to an app.

The Mac App store. What about those apps that are not available from the app store?

Ads. They do not work for me, I ignore all ads from all sources. (smiles)

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On 6/9/2016 1:11 PM, Sabahattin Gucukoglu wrote:
Oops!  This post is long.  Sorry about that. :)

Great little discussion.

DF posted a followup, called “App Store Subscription Uncertainty”:
http://daringfireball.net/2016/06/app_store_subscription_uncertainty

The linked Apple guidelines make it pretty clear that this is about actual, 
material, subscribe-worthy things, like services or new content.  As you can 
see from the piece, this is making developers—who, as Donna rightly points out, 
are itching for the perfect back-rub—rather uncomfortable.

Here’s my position: it may be isolationist in the view of the trust others put 
in to it, but the cloud is ultimately a dependency.  It’s not as obviously 
brittle as the mainframe, but yes, it means you need access to the cloud, and 
if it fails for any reason, as it can (the recent news about the Sydney AWS 
failure is a perfect illustration of this), then you’re SOL.  This could be 
anything from a service outage to a change of business relationships to a 
falling out with the vendor; it means you seed control of your software to some 
outside party.  I’m just not happy with that arrangement.  I have an Office sub 
for personal use, but I’m more interested in the 1 TB of storage than the 
software.

Now, as people are saying here, both Microsoft and Adobe are making money hand 
over fist by getting people to pay more long-term, just like mobile phone 
contracts.  This works, until you lose access to the software you’re perfectly 
fine with using, and or just don’t see any need of upgrades that are worth 
paying for.  My hope is that Apple pretty clearly makes this subscription model 
a choice, and provides the enforcement necessary to stop the market dissolving 
into an exclusively subscriber arena.  I’m just not interested in that, and for 
the reasons mostly already put forward here.  If everybody gets the idea that 
you’ll pay a little here, a little there to keep their updates coming in, when 
the practical consequence of that is lots of subscriptions that are mostly paid 
out on a habitual rather than beneficial basis, then we’re going to have 
developers raking it in for doing little work and no incentive structure to do 
better.  The correct solution, one that doesn’t make quite so much money for 
Apple, but the right solution nevertheless, is to provide proper support for 
trials and major release upgrades; then people would get what they actually 
paid for.  Subscriptions just aren’t the instrument for that, and the cynic in 
me says that Apple are well aware of that.  It also helps that we don’t yet 
know what happens, exactly, if you “run out” of your subscription and don’t pay 
for the next instalment; if you lose everything, as I’m pretty sure you will, 
then the subscription ultimately amounts to a racket for any software with no 
incremental component.

Finally, I’d like to draw one positive out of all this: the incentive for 
quality.  Notice here that Apple will surrender some of those precious margins 
for sticky apps.  Maybe, just maybe, better, deeper, quality apps will come out 
of this.  Let’s face it, the marketplace is constrained by the impulse-buy 
price structures.  As CB and others say, it could mean a lot if the cost of 
software over many years, with genuine upgrade pricing that worked in this new 
subscription model, and paid for by willing purchasers on an ongoing basis, 
could actually be accommodated.  I don’t think Adobe or Microsoft qualify; 
they’re only making it work because  they are the top in their respective 
markets.  But apps with plenty of forward progress potential with new features 
appearing on a regular basis that are above and beyond mere feature 
enhancements or bug fixes could make it work.  For those vitally important 
apps, I’d happily pay a little per year to cover the cost of ongoing 
development, especially if it means Apple will let them claw back more of their 
earnings.

There’s nothing to add concerning ads: it’s just going to be a slide to the 
bottom, paid for by the parasites at the top, as usual.  Wish Apple would get 
its own bottom in order and have a search function that worked.  But at least 
it’s limited to the US, for now.

And I didn’t see any mention concerning the Mac App Store.  That’s just the 
same, as always, and I don’t suppose it’ll change.  I could be wrong though—in 
some ways I hope I am.  It’d mean actual progress on that poor, beleaguered 
place.

Message ends. :)


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