Hi, Misunderstandings happen! Well, I know a few people who love it, and I guess for some people it works. I don't know how, but true story.
Regards, Nic Skype: Kvalme MSN Messenger: nico...@home3.gvdnet.dk AIM: cincinster yahoo Messenger: cin368 Facebook Profile My Twitter On Oct 23, 2009, at 12:51 PM, Donna Goodin wrote: > > Hi Nic, > > Thanks, but that wasn't what I meant. I meant I'm sorry she was using > Vista. Mind you, this isn't based on personal experience, I just > don't know anyone who's upgraded to Vista and liked it. > Cheers, > Donna > On Oct 23, 2009, at 2:26 AM, Nicolai Svendsen wrote: > >> >> Hi, >> >> No need to be sorry for having an opinion. People have different >> opinions about Vista, some wish they'd never tried it (me included) >> and some like it. >> >> Regards, >> Nic >> Skype: Kvalme >> MSN Messenger: nico...@home3.gvdnet.dk >> AIM: cincinster >> yahoo Messenger: cin368 >> Facebook Profile >> My Twitter >> >> On Oct 23, 2009, at 4:29 AM, Donna Goodin wrote: >> >>> >>> Oh, I'm so sorry! >>> Donna >>> On Oct 22, 2009, at 10:23 PM, Portia wrote: >>> >>>> >>>> I'm running Vista. >>>> >>>> Donna Goodin wrote: >>>>> Hi Nic, >>>>> >>>>> I think you're dead on. At least for me, my work environment has >>>>> had >>>>> a very definite impact on my experience with my Mac. >>>>> >>>>> I think I'm also lucky. I never switched to Windows Vista, thank >>>>> God! >>>>> I'm still running XP, which I think makes my Windows life a lot >>>>> easier! >>>>> Take care, >>>>> Donna >>>>> On Oct 22, 2009, at 2:54 AM, Nicolai Svendsen wrote: >>>>> >>>>> >>>>>> Hi, >>>>>> >>>>>> I think one of the biggest issues that are represented here is >>>>>> work. >>>>>> Depending on what you're doing, the company you work for might >>>>>> require >>>>>> that you work with their systems, most likely Windows or Linux. >>>>>> I've >>>>>> encountered companies in my country that use Mac OS X, but not >>>>>> many, >>>>>> which definitely does get confusing. I would suppose that, if you >>>>>> work >>>>>> more than you have time to play with your Mac, the PC immediately >>>>>> takes priority for obvious reasons and it'll take you longer to >>>>>> get >>>>>> used to it. >>>>>> >>>>>> I study computer science, and on occasion I actually have to >>>>>> struggle >>>>>> with Windows commands. I find Windows so sluggish and >>>>>> unresponsive >>>>>> now >>>>>> compared to the Mac, and that's not an attempt to slam it, >>>>>> because >>>>>> I'm >>>>>> sure it has its advantages for some people, it's just not snappy >>>>>> and >>>>>> stable enough for what I need it to do.. Granted, I mostly do use >>>>>> my >>>>>> Mac for things such as browsing the web, editing, reading mail >>>>>> and >>>>>> so- >>>>>> forth, but what frustrated me with Windows was the crashes. That >>>>>> is >>>>>> one thing I don't miss. Otherwise, Windows is definitely a good >>>>>> system. For me, it just wasn't good enough, so to speak, and it >>>>>> frustrated the heck out of me sometimes. Sometimes I was happy >>>>>> with >>>>>> it, to be fair. But I also think one superiority the Mac has over >>>>>> the >>>>>> Windows operating system is the integrated screen access >>>>>> software. >>>>>> If >>>>>> you update your display drivers, you don't need to spend time >>>>>> reinstalling and installing applications to discover it didn't >>>>>> work, >>>>>> then install the latest version of an application such as JAWS to >>>>>> finally make it understand that you actually want Video Intercept >>>>>> installed for the thousandth time, then downgrade if you don't >>>>>> like >>>>>> JAWS 11. If you're me, you don't like JAWS 11, but that's another >>>>>> story entirely. But that's another thing that made me all too >>>>>> willing >>>>>> to switch, with no regrets. Yeah, I wish someone would put >>>>>> together a >>>>>> MUD client that actually had VoiceOver support, or at least >>>>>> utilize >>>>>> the text to speech features that use the built-in voices without >>>>>> VoiceOver. That'd at least be a start. >>>>>> >>>>>> Otherwise, I don't use Windows at all except to comply with those >>>>>> people who still send me executables on CDs. Or to play MUDs. You >>>>>> can >>>>>> do exactly the same things on the Mac as you can on Windows, the >>>>>> only >>>>>> problem every switcher probably has is the fact that they don't >>>>>> know >>>>>> which applications to look for to accomplish said task. I've had >>>>>> my >>>>>> Mac since August 1 as I said earlier, and I certainly don't know >>>>>> all >>>>>> the substitutes for Windows programs yet. That having been >>>>>> said, I >>>>>> only use Windows for the tasks written above. >>>>>> >>>>>> Thought I'd share my views once again, and I'll probably be >>>>>> writing >>>>>> more. >>>>>> >>>>>> Regards, >>>>>> Nic >>>>>> Skype: Kvalme >>>>>> MSN Messenger: nico...@home3.gvdnet.dk >>>>>> AIM: cincinster >>>>>> yahoo Messenger: cin368 >>>>>> Facebook Profile >>>>>> My Twitter >>>>>> >>>>>> On Oct 22, 2009, at 5:44 AM, May McDonald wrote: >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>>> Smile, thank you very much. >>>>>>> On 2009-10-21, at 8:41 PM, Ryan Mann wrote: >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>>> You can see the commands that are set up by default by doing >>>>>>>> the >>>>>>>> following: >>>>>>>> 1. Open VoiceOver utility. >>>>>>>> 2. Interact with the Utility categories table and vo+downarrow >>>>>>>> to >>>>>>>> the >>>>>>>> commands category, then stop interacting. >>>>>>>> 3. Select the Keyboard tab. >>>>>>>> 4. Vo+rightarrow and you should hear a checkbox to enable >>>>>>>> keyboard >>>>>>>> commander. Check that box. >>>>>>>> 5. Vo+rightarrow again and you should hear "keyboard commander >>>>>>>> table." Interact with that table. After you interact with >>>>>>>> that >>>>>>>> table, you should be able to use the usual VoiceOver navigation >>>>>>>> commands to hear what commands are set. >>>>>>>> n Oct 21, 2009, at 10:50 PM, May McDonald wrote: >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> Hmm, that's really good to know. Is there a place where I can >>>>>>>>> find >>>>>>>>> other commands the apple script has? I guess I'll go check >>>>>>>>> that >>>>>>>>> option now. >>>>>>>>> On 2009-10-21, at 7:27 PM, Ryan Mann wrote: >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> Hello. If you're running Snow Leopard and you have Voiceover >>>>>>>>>> set >>>>>>>>>> to >>>>>>>>>> allow it to be controled by Apple Script, you can hit option >>>>>>>>>> +t >>>>>>>>>> to >>>>>>>>>> check the time. >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> On Oct 21, 2009, at 8:16 PM, peter apgar wrote: >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> well said all, >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> there are several cool factors for the mac os. one of >>>>>>>>>>> which >>>>>>>>>>> is >>>>>>>>>>> the >>>>>>>>>>> fact that we don't have to pay extra for the accessibility. >>>>>>>>>>> however >>>>>>>>>>> the largest down fall is the majority of work places do not >>>>>>>>>>> support >>>>>>>>>>> OSX. for this reason alone i only have limited time to >>>>>>>>>>> explore >>>>>>>>>>> its >>>>>>>>>>> virtues. i will second the same issues that Donna posted >>>>>>>>>>> previously. additionally i have found that there is a lot >>>>>>>>>>> more >>>>>>>>>>> interaction for simple tasks. double the key strokes for >>>>>>>>>>> the >>>>>>>>>>> same >>>>>>>>>>> actions as in ms is just a minor peev. i am quite worried >>>>>>>>>>> that >>>>>>>>>>> running two or possibly three systems may become >>>>>>>>>>> overwhelming >>>>>>>>>>> when >>>>>>>>>>> begining a graduate program. i guess only time will tell. >>>>>>>>>>> has >>>>>>>>>>> any >>>>>>>>>>> one written code for a quick check of the time? >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> Have good evening, >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> Pete >>>>>>>>>>> On Oct 21, 2009, at 11:51 AM, May McDonald wrote: >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> Hi all, I guess I'll jump in on this thread as well. I >>>>>>>>>>>> haven't >>>>>>>>>>>> had >>>>>>>>>>>> my >>>>>>>>>>>> mac for 2 months yet, but pretty close. >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> I'm amazed that I was able to make the switch so easily to >>>>>>>>>>>> the >>>>>>>>>>>> mac. >>>>>>>>>>>> In fact, now whenever I have to use a windows machine I >>>>>>>>>>>> finder >>>>>>>>>>>> it a >>>>>>>>>>>> little harder to think of the windows commands because they >>>>>>>>>>>> aren't >>>>>>>>>>>> used by me all the time anymore, smile. >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> I will be putting windows 7 on this mac but again it won't >>>>>>>>>>>> be >>>>>>>>>>>> used >>>>>>>>>>>> all >>>>>>>>>>>> the time, only for scanning because I liked my scanning >>>>>>>>>>>> software >>>>>>>>>>>> for >>>>>>>>>>>> windows and to play games. Other than that, it will be >>>>>>>>>>>> hidden >>>>>>>>>>>> behind >>>>>>>>>>>> mac. >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> I'm glad I made the switch and now go back to the basics >>>>>>>>>>>> and >>>>>>>>>>>> figure >>>>>>>>>>>> out how sly and vo work, lol. >>>>>>>>>>>> On 2009-10-21, at 8:41 AM, Donna Goodin wrote: >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>> Wow, Nic, you are a determined soul! :) I'm glad that >>>>>>>>>>>>> after >>>>>>>>>>>>> all >>>>>>>>>>>>> you >>>>>>>>>>>>> had to go through with the install, the Mac turned out to >>>>>>>>>>>>> suit >>>>>>>>>>>>> your >>>>>>>>>>>>> needs. >>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>> You people who have taken so readily to web-browsing on >>>>>>>>>>>>> the >>>>>>>>>>>>> Mac, >>>>>>>>>>>>> fascinate me. I keep playing with it, hoping to come to >>>>>>>>>>>>> the >>>>>>>>>>>>> same >>>>>>>>>>>>> conclusion, but it just doesn't happen. For example, I am >>>>>>>>>>>>> currently >>>>>>>>>>>>> job-hunting, and the other night, received a job match >>>>>>>>>>>>> from a >>>>>>>>>>>>> site I >>>>>>>>>>>>> am registered with. When Safari loaded the page and >>>>>>>>>>>>> auto- >>>>>>>>>>>>> read, >>>>>>>>>>>>> it >>>>>>>>>>>>> read everything just as you would expect. But then, I >>>>>>>>>>>>> decided I >>>>>>>>>>>>> wanted to take a second look at the preferred >>>>>>>>>>>>> qualifications. I >>>>>>>>>>>>> couldn't find them to save my soul! I arrowed around, I >>>>>>>>>>>>> interacted >>>>>>>>>>>>> with stuff, and nothing. So, I booted up my Pc, went into >>>>>>>>>>>>> IE, >>>>>>>>>>>>> and >>>>>>>>>>>>> found what I was looking for in two seconds. And I still >>>>>>>>>>>>> have >>>>>>>>>>>>> no >>>>>>>>>>>>> clue >>>>>>>>>>>>> what I should have done to locate that info in Safari. I >>>>>>>>>>>>> often >>>>>>>>>>>>> feel >>>>>>>>>>>>> like because of all the interacting and stuff, that >>>>>>>>>>>>> viewing a >>>>>>>>>>>>> webpage >>>>>>>>>>>>> in Safari is like looking at it through tinted glass or >>>>>>>>>>>>> through a >>>>>>>>>>>>> veil >>>>>>>>>>>>> that only lets you see the outline of what you're looking >>>>>>>>>>>>> at. >>>>>>>>>>>>> Links >>>>>>>>>>>>> of course are no problem, it's the text content that is >>>>>>>>>>>>> often >>>>>>>>>>>>> very >>>>>>>>>>>>> difficult to locate. >>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>> I highly recommend the iphone, I've found it to be a >>>>>>>>>>>>> delightful >>>>>>>>>>>>> little >>>>>>>>>>>>> toy, um, I mean, device. *grin* >>>>>>>>>>>>> Cheers, >>>>>>>>>>>>> Donna >>>>>>>>>>>>> On Oct 21, 2009, at 11:03 AM, Nicolai Svendsen wrote: >>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>> Hi, >>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>> Definitely quite an interesting story. >>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>> I got my Mac on August 1. It was actually an odd >>>>>>>>>>>>>> experience. I >>>>>>>>>>>>>> went >>>>>>>>>>>>>> to >>>>>>>>>>>>>> an Apple store a couple weeks prior to my purchase just >>>>>>>>>>>>>> to >>>>>>>>>>>>>> try >>>>>>>>>>>>>> it >>>>>>>>>>>>>> out. >>>>>>>>>>>>>> I had attempted to use OS X 10.4, Tiger in the past at an >>>>>>>>>>>>>> institute >>>>>>>>>>>>>> for the blind, but I actually didn't like it. I thought >>>>>>>>>>>>>> it >>>>>>>>>>>>>> was >>>>>>>>>>>>>> quite >>>>>>>>>>>>>> literally a pile of crap. >>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>> I start listening to podcasts that sighted and blind >>>>>>>>>>>>>> users >>>>>>>>>>>>>> have >>>>>>>>>>>>>> done >>>>>>>>>>>>>> for the Macintosh, and figure I'll give it another >>>>>>>>>>>>>> shot. I >>>>>>>>>>>>>> finally >>>>>>>>>>>>>> decided to purchase a Mac, because I had frankly become >>>>>>>>>>>>>> extremely >>>>>>>>>>>>>> frustrated with Windows and most certainly Vista. XP has >>>>>>>>>>>>>> always >>>>>>>>>>>>>> been >>>>>>>>>>>>>> my favorite if I do have to use Windows. I'd become tired >>>>>>>>>>>>>> of >>>>>>>>>>>>>> how >>>>>>>>>>>>>> many >>>>>>>>>>>>>> things you needed for Windows to work efficiently. >>>>>>>>>>>>>> Sometimes >>>>>>>>>>>>>> you >>>>>>>>>>>>>> had >>>>>>>>>>>>>> to worry about corrupted files, leftovers from previously >>>>>>>>>>>>>> installed >>>>>>>>>>>>>> applications, that sort of thing not to mention the >>>>>>>>>>>>>> registry. >>>>>>>>>>>>>> The >>>>>>>>>>>>>> headache. >>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>> So I decided to take the plunge. >>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>> I read through the entire VoiceOver manual the day >>>>>>>>>>>>>> before I >>>>>>>>>>>>>> went >>>>>>>>>>>>>> back >>>>>>>>>>>>>> to the store, and wrote down notes for the things I >>>>>>>>>>>>>> figured >>>>>>>>>>>>>> I'd >>>>>>>>>>>>>> mostly >>>>>>>>>>>>>> be using for a while. When I arrived at the store, I went >>>>>>>>>>>>>> to >>>>>>>>>>>>>> try >>>>>>>>>>>>>> it >>>>>>>>>>>>>> out again to make sure a Mac would be what I desired. It >>>>>>>>>>>>>> definitely >>>>>>>>>>>>>> was. So much that, in fact, that even though they only >>>>>>>>>>>>>> had a >>>>>>>>>>>>>> showroom >>>>>>>>>>>>>> floor model at the time, I grabbed it. The cleaned it off >>>>>>>>>>>>>> thoroughly, >>>>>>>>>>>>>> wrapped it up and tossed the DVDs I'd need in the box. I >>>>>>>>>>>>>> was >>>>>>>>>>>>>> happy. >>>>>>>>>>>>>> So >>>>>>>>>>>>>> very happy. >>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>> I arrive home, and I'm practically tingling with >>>>>>>>>>>>>> excitement. I >>>>>>>>>>>>>> almost >>>>>>>>>>>>>> rip the box apart (taking care of the DVDs of course), >>>>>>>>>>>>>> get >>>>>>>>>>>>>> out >>>>>>>>>>>>>> my >>>>>>>>>>>>>> shiny Macbook and hook it up. >>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>> Oh no! >>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>> What I did know was that I had to reinstall it, but I >>>>>>>>>>>>>> didn't >>>>>>>>>>>>>> care. I >>>>>>>>>>>>>> didn't want any of that junk on it they had installed to >>>>>>>>>>>>>> advertise. >>>>>>>>>>>>>> So >>>>>>>>>>>>>> i went ahead. I rebooted it, held down the C-key when the >>>>>>>>>>>>>> installation >>>>>>>>>>>>>> DVD had been sucked into the Mac and I heard the startup >>>>>>>>>>>>>> sound. >>>>>>>>>>>>>> It >>>>>>>>>>>>>> displayed the finder and spat out the DVD. Literally. >>>>>>>>>>>>>> So I >>>>>>>>>>>>>> decided >>>>>>>>>>>>>> that apparently wasn't working for whatever reason. I >>>>>>>>>>>>>> located >>>>>>>>>>>>>> the >>>>>>>>>>>>>> installer DVD in the finder and open it. Authentication. >>>>>>>>>>>>>> God >>>>>>>>>>>>>> dang >>>>>>>>>>>>>> it! >>>>>>>>>>>>>> Behold the password box. I was required to enter a >>>>>>>>>>>>>> password to >>>>>>>>>>>>>> proceed. Of course, the Macbook had not been set to >>>>>>>>>>>>>> require a >>>>>>>>>>>>>> password >>>>>>>>>>>>>> at login. >>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>> I call them at the store, and ask them for a password. I >>>>>>>>>>>>>> told >>>>>>>>>>>>>> them >>>>>>>>>>>>>> the >>>>>>>>>>>>>> C-key solution had not worked to boot from the DVD, and >>>>>>>>>>>>>> they >>>>>>>>>>>>>> promptly >>>>>>>>>>>>>> complied with my request. They gave me several passwords >>>>>>>>>>>>>> to >>>>>>>>>>>>>> enter, >>>>>>>>>>>>>> and >>>>>>>>>>>>>> I did. >>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>> "The name or password you entered is incorrect." >>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>> I went back to the store, and they had a look at it. Most >>>>>>>>>>>>>> annoying >>>>>>>>>>>>>> of >>>>>>>>>>>>>> all was that finally, the C-key actually seemed to >>>>>>>>>>>>>> work. I >>>>>>>>>>>>>> was >>>>>>>>>>>>>> installing it when I got home. By this point, I was >>>>>>>>>>>>>> like a >>>>>>>>>>>>>> kid >>>>>>>>>>>>>> on >>>>>>>>>>>>>> his >>>>>>>>>>>>>> birthday. >>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>> I thought I'd share my experience with all of you on the >>>>>>>>>>>>>> list. >>>>>>>>>>>>>> Yes, I >>>>>>>>>>>>>> am aware it's probably quite long-winded. But what can >>>>>>>>>>>>>> you >>>>>>>>>>>>>> do? I >>>>>>>>>>>>>> do >>>>>>>>>>>>>> run Windows as a virtual machine, but only to MUD. I do >>>>>>>>>>>>>> sometimes >>>>>>>>>>>>>> find >>>>>>>>>>>>>> it kind of annoying having to run two programs just to >>>>>>>>>>>>>> scan >>>>>>>>>>>>>> and >>>>>>>>>>>>>> recognize the image. That is why I liked Omnipage, and >>>>>>>>>>>>>> there >>>>>>>>>>>>>> has >>>>>>>>>>>>>> to >>>>>>>>>>>>>> be >>>>>>>>>>>>>> a solution out there that does exactly the same. >>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>> As for my web browsing experience, everything is much >>>>>>>>>>>>>> more >>>>>>>>>>>>>> smooth >>>>>>>>>>>>>> and >>>>>>>>>>>>>> responsive. I can easily find what I want by using the >>>>>>>>>>>>>> search >>>>>>>>>>>>>> feature >>>>>>>>>>>>>> in VoiceOver, and ever since Leopard was released the web >>>>>>>>>>>>>> rotor >>>>>>>>>>>>>> makes >>>>>>>>>>>>>> it even easier, not to mention Auto web spots. So yes, I >>>>>>>>>>>>>> do >>>>>>>>>>>>>> use >>>>>>>>>>>>>> Windows. Rarely, but I do. And I'm definitely not ashamed >>>>>>>>>>>>>> to >>>>>>>>>>>>>> admit >>>>>>>>>>>>>> it. >>>>>>>>>>>>>> But if a MUD client was accessible to VoiceOver, I would >>>>>>>>>>>>>> not >>>>>>>>>>>>>> touch >>>>>>>>>>>>>> it >>>>>>>>>>>>>> again. I've found my experience with Mac has not only >>>>>>>>>>>>>> been >>>>>>>>>>>>>> productive, >>>>>>>>>>>>>> but fun and enjoyable where as with Windows, I wanted to >>>>>>>>>>>>>> throw >>>>>>>>>>>>>> the >>>>>>>>>>>>>> machine through the window half the time I was using it >>>>>>>>>>>>>> due to >>>>>>>>>>>>>> freezes, driver errors and so-forth. >>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>> Well, I think I'm done now. I want an iPhone, now that >>>>>>>>>>>>>> you >>>>>>>>>>>>>> mention >>>>>>>>>>>>>> it, >>>>>>>>>>>>>> but at the same time you don't always need to have the >>>>>>>>>>>>>> latest >>>>>>>>>>>>>> and >>>>>>>>>>>>>> greatest. And I need to realize that. :P. Yes, I loved >>>>>>>>>>>>>> the >>>>>>>>>>>>>> iPhone >>>>>>>>>>>>>> and >>>>>>>>>>>>>> I'm used to the gestures since I use my trackpad quite a >>>>>>>>>>>>>> lot, >>>>>>>>>>>>>> but >>>>>>>>>>>>>> at >>>>>>>>>>>>>> the same time, I need a phone for text messaging and >>>>>>>>>>>>>> phone >>>>>>>>>>>>>> calls. >>>>>>>>>>>>>> That >>>>>>>>>>>>>> is about it. It'll probably be faster to accomplish those >>>>>>>>>>>>>> tasks >>>>>>>>>>>>>> with >>>>>>>>>>>>>> the iPhone, I have no doubt about it. Maybe one day I'll >>>>>>>>>>>>>> even >>>>>>>>>>>>>> get >>>>>>>>>>>>>> one. >>>>>>>>>>>>>> But when I find a really good reason except for all the >>>>>>>>>>>>>> apps >>>>>>>>>>>>>> you >>>>>>>>>>>>>> can >>>>>>>>>>>>>> seemingly install with no issues, perfectly usable, >>>>>>>>>>>>>> then I >>>>>>>>>>>>>> won't >>>>>>>>>>>>>> buy >>>>>>>>>>>>>> one. Besides, who wants to pay $99.95 for an iPhone plan >>>>>>>>>>>>>> in >>>>>>>>>>>>>> Denmark? >>>>>>>>>>>>>> Not me. >>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>> Have a great afternoon, folks. I at least know those >>>>>>>>>>>>>> living in >>>>>>>>>>>>>> the >>>>>>>>>>>>>> Eastern timezone are approaching lunch time. :) >>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>> Regards, >>>>>>>>>>>>>> Nic >>>>>>>>>>>>>> Skype: Kvalme >>>>>>>>>>>>>> MSN Messenger: nico...@home3.gvdnet.dk >>>>>>>>>>>>>> AIM: cincinster >>>>>>>>>>>>>> yahoo Messenger: cin368 >>>>>>>>>>>>>> Facebook Profile >>>>>>>>>>>>>> My Twitter >>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>> On Oct 21, 2009, at 4:17 PM, Donna Goodin wrote: >>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Hi all, >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> I Thought I'd weigh in here, since I got my Mac around >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> the >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> same >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> time >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> almost, I'm going on three months now. >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> I agree with Anouk, and would add that I often find it's >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> easier >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> to >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> use my PC for work-related tasks. As I mentioned >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> earlier, I >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> use >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> the >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> ap Blackboard, which I have to use Windows for, as >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Safari >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> isn't >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> currently supported.. Since I'm logged into Blackboard >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> most >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> days, >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> that >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> sort of automatically means I'm using my PC, and the Mac >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> gets >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> relegated to after-hours. >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> I also still strongly prefer web-browsing on my PC. >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> I've >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> had >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> so >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> many >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> experiences where on the Mac I simply cannot locate an >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> item >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> that I >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> know is on a certain page. This never happens to me on >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> the >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> PC. I >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> find >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> that when browsing, I can do things in half the time on >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> my >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> PC, >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> and >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> sometimes on the Mac, even after spending the extra >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> time, I >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> don't >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> find >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> what I'm looking for, and end up going back to the PC >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> anyway. >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> I'm an avid reader, and so do a lot of scanning. I >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> really >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> don't >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> like >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> the idea of having to use two separate programs, one for >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> scanning >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> and >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> one for the OCR, especially when I have one program on >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> my >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> PC >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> that >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> will >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> do both jobs quite nicely. This of course isn't an >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Apple >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> issue, >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> but I >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> do think that for many of us who are blind, the lack >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> of a >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> good >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> solid >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> scanning/ocr option, is a real obstacle in terms of >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> seeing >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> the >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Mac >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> as >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> a PC replacement. >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Like Anouk, I've also pretty much decided to keep both a >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Mac >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> and a >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> PC. at least for now, though I confess I'm tempted some >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> days >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> to >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> just >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> go back to my PC, in the interest of running just one OS >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> on >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> one >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> computer. When I got my Mac, I had hoped not to upgrade >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> to >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> JAWS >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> 11 >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> and Windows 7, but it looks like I'll be getting both. I >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> use >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> my >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> PC >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> for >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> work, for scanning, and for most of my web browsing, >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> which is >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> 90% >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> of >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> what I do. I like the Mac a lot. I like that VO is >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> built >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> in, I >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> like >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> the speed and responsiveness of the Mac, I like the fact >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> that >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> it >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> doesn't take a year to boot or load an ap, and I like >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> working >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> with >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Itunes (I'm still running 8.2.), and I think the Mac >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> seems to >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> be >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> far >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> superior in how it works with Media. But the PC is >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> what I >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> go >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> to >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> for >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> the things I really need to get done. I think for me, my >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> experience >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> with the Mac reflects my experience with the iphone. >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> When I >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> compare >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> my iphone with my old Windows Mobile phone, the iphone >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> is >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> much >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> more >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> fun! I love the aps, the games, the ability to quickly >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> do >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> things >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> like >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> check weather, whereas my WM phone was loaded with all >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> kinds >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> of >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> practical stuff for editing documents spreadsheets, >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> powerpoint, >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> and >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> so >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> on. I don't want to do any of that stuff on my phone, >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> so >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> for >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> me, >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> the >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> iphone is by far the better fit. but when it comes to a >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> computer, >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> it >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> cuts the other way, and I find myself favoring the PC >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> which >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> seems >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> to >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> lend itself more to the day-to-day things I need to get >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> done. >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Best, >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Donna >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> On Oct 21, 2009, at 5:05 AM, Nicolai Svendsen wrote: >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Hi again folks, >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Yes, broadcasts can certainly be done. Nicecast from >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Rogue >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Amoeba >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> http://rogueamoeba.com >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> works extremely well. The only issue seems to be the >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> effects >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> scroll >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> area, but I hope they'll be working on that. Otherwise, >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> it >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> works >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> ridiculously well, in fact, and I have nothing to >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> complain >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> about. >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> I'm not exactly sure about your Thumbkey thing. I don't >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> get >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> it. >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> If >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> you >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> can elaborate? Maybe I'm being dense here. :). >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> As for VLC, I've never actually tried it out, and I >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> personally >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> love >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> using Safari for web browsing. For me, everything is >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> much >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> faster. >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Also, which braille display are you using? >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Regards, >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Nic >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Skype: Kvalme >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> MSN Messenger: nico...@home3.gvdnet.dk >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> AIM: cincinster >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> yahoo Messenger: cin368 >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Facebook Profile >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> My Twitter >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> On Oct 21, 2009, at 10:22 AM, Tony Bernedal wrote: >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Hi again. >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Wow. Echomac, never heard of it but when I google it I >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> found >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> http://echomac.sourceforge.net/ >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> I'll try it when I'm back home from work. >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Anouk, I had a fire dtv reciever and used it with dvb >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> viewer >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> on >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> windows and Eye tv have driver for it so I gave it a >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> try >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> but >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> it >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> doesn't work as I want at the moment. >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> I have readiris on the disk and I'm going to try it >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> out >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> and >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> see >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> how >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> it >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> works with swedish language and so on. >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> I have heard of some broadcast tools for mac but at >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> the >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> moment I >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> haven't looked in to it. I don't broadcast at the >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> moment so >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> it >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> doesn't >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> have so high priority. I still have my studio pc >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> sitting >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> under >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> the >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> desk so I can use stationplaylist and all the >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> broadcast >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> stuff >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> if I >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> want to. >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Regards Tony >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> 2009/10/21, a radix <anou...@home.nl>: >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Hey Tony, Nice to hear from you! (the world is a >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> small >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> place) >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Funny >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> we >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> started our mac journey at the seem time. I am >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> curious, >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> can >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> you >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> broadcast on >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> the mac? I guess otsjuke wont work and obiously >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> shoutcast >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> wont >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> either. I was >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> thinking of running windows with vmware but now I am >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> just >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> thinking >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> to ask my >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> brother to help me install windows 7 via bootcamp >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> instead. >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Has >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> anyone got >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> experience with installing windows via bootcamp as >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> dual >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> boot? >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Is >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> it >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> diffucult? I presume the drivers for windows 7 for >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> the >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> macbook >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> pro >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> will be >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> available from apple? I still want to try vuescan an >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> dreadiris, >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> in >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> fact i >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> have the programs on my computer bu tI want to wait >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> till >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> hp >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> releases the >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> drivers for my scanner that are native to sl, also I >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> hope >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> by >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> that >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> time abbyy >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> will have released a demo of finereader for the mac >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> that >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> is >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> native >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> to sl. I >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> am just concerned that either adf wont work, scanning >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> iwll >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> be >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> very >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> slow or >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> dutch character recognition wont be as good as >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> omnipage. >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> I am surprised that you also have the thumbkey >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> problem, i >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> thought >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> it was >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> something stupid on my part, corrupt install >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> whatever. I >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> guess >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> we >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> will both >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> have to mail apple accessibility about this. >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> So, you are using a tv tuner with your mac? This is >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> the >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> next >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> thing >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> i want to >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> taccle since now I have an analog tv standing on my >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> desk >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> and >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> it >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> is >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> taking up >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> space that I could use otherwise. I did have digital >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> tv in >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> the >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> past >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> bu tI >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> had a lot of trouble with it and in the end just went >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> back >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> to >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> analog. There >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> are not that many tuners for the mac I think (analog >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> or >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> otherwise) >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> and I >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> guess even less that are available in Europe. Which >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> do >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> you >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> use? I >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> guess as >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> long as I get one with a remote things will be ok (if >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> it >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> indeed >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> can >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> find the >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> channels). >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> I too LOVE the sleep features of the mac, i never >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> turn >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> mine >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> off, >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> just close >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> the lid and thats it. >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Greetings, Anouk, >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> ----- Original Message ----- >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> From: "Tony Bernedal" <t...@bernedal.net> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> To: <macvisionaries@googlegroups.com> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Sent: Wednesday, October 21, 2009 9:16 AM >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Subject: Re: my 2 months with a mac >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Hi Anouk. >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> I have also used my mac for around 3 months now, and >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> like >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> you I >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> still >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> use windows for a couple of things. I trying to get >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> the >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> scanning >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> and >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> ocr to work on the mac but for now windows and >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> omnipage >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> have >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> to >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> do >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> the >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> jobb. I had a license for windows xp lying on the >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> shelf >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> from a >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> no >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> longer working laptop and I installed xp with vmware >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> as a >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> virtual >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> machine and doing my scanning there and it works >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> good >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> but >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> the >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> virtual >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> machine is very slow. I also use windows for >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Echolink, >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> wich >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> is a >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> ham-radio software wich don't exist on the mac. Also >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> the >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> software >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> to >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> setup and program my hamradio stations is only >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> windows >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> programs. >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> I'm >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> very happy mac user now and after some updates to >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> snow >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> leopard >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> my >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> problems with it is gone. >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> I hope the issue with the thumbkey on your display >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> can be >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> solved. I >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> have same issue with alva satelite. >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> I also have a battle with EyeTV software wich for >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> some >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> odd >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> reason >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> doesn't find my tv channels on the cable network. >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> And >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> it >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> is >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> also >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> very >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> tricky to use with VO. I use VLC for webradio and >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> movies >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> and >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> it >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> works >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> great (vlc version 1.x doesn't work under windows >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> and >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> linux >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> at >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> all >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> with screenreader, only on mac, great!). >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> And I also like the speed, starting my windows pc >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> here at >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> works >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> take >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> forever and the mac is at the desktop in almost 0 >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> time. >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> And, >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> the >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> sleep >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> works well too. >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> So I'm happy with my mac system. >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Good luck with your mac! >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Regards Tony >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> 2009/10/21, a radix <anou...@home.nl>: >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Hello, I have been using my mac for about 2 months >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> now >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> especially >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> at >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> school >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> although at home I still often use my pc and I will >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> explain >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> below >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> why. In >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> general my experiences with the mac have been very >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> positive >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> especially >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> after >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> installing snow leopard. I can use skype and msn >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> just as >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> well >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> as >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> on my >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> pc. >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> And after I dumped itunes and started using vlc >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> instead >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> watching >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> movies >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> and >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> listening to music became a breeze. I recently >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> bought >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> apples >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> office suite >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> because I prefer that over using textedit or the >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> free >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> text >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> editors/office >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> suits that are available. I am also intending to go >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> and >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> use >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> garage band >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> in >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> the future if I can get that working with my yamaha >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> keyboard. I >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> like the >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> built-in speakers and sound quality alhtough >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> listening >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> through >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> its sound >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> output with my own in ear monitors is nothing >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> special. I >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> still >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> find using >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> the internet on the mac a bit mor ework then i did >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> while >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> using >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> my >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> pc and >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> it >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> goes a bit slower also when reading docucments i >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> notice >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> that I >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> cannot >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> endlessly use the right thumb key on my braille >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> display >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> to >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> continue >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> reading, >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> eventually i have to press the right arrow on my >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> normal >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> keyboard >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> if I >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> want >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> to read onm. This does become irritating after a >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> while >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> if >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> you >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> need to >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> read >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> long documents. >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> At home I still mostly use my windows pc although i >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> now >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> have >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> gotten mail >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> working on the mac as well because 1. I use >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> omnipage >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> pro >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> 16 >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> under >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> windows >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> to >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> scan my books for school, while I know that there >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> are >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> some >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> scanning >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> solutions for the mac that i will probbably try >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> once >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> the >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> hp >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> drivers for >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> sl >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> have been released I just dont know if they will be >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> as >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> good >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> and >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> easy as >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> using omnipage pro 16 and am a bit hesistant to try >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> it >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> because >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> of >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> that (I >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> really really hope that a full version of >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> finereader >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> will >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> eventually be >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> released for the mac since I have heard it can >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> rival >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> omnipage >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> pro). >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Secondly there is filesharing, i will be brief. Ftp >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> does >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> work >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> on >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> the mac >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> with transmit which I rather like although I have >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> not >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> registered >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> it yet, >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> questions i asked its support team went unanswered. >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Usenet >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> also >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> works but >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> udner windows I preferred to use other programs >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> which >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> are >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> not >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> available >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> on >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> the mac. >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> The third point is playing games which I do a lot >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> on >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> the >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> pec >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> especially >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> interactive fiction and muds. There is an >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> interpreter >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> for >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> interactive >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> fiction called zoom which I tried and although I >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> can >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> open >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> games >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> with it >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> saved games were a problem for me since I could not >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> open a >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> saved >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> game >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> file >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> (made in frotz). >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> For muds the situation on the mac is not so good, I >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> play >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> them >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> all >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> the >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> time >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> on windows but there is only one mudclient that I >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> know >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> of >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> which >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> works >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> under >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> sl and which is still being developed, jamochamud >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> which >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> works >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> under java. >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> It >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> is not too accessible at the moment but the >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> programmer >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> has >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> promised to >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> look >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> at it, still it does not offer all the features >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> even >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> then >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> that I >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> am used >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> to >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> on a windows client. >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> As soon as windows 7 becomes officially available I >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> am >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> planning >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> to >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> install >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> it on my mac (probbably via bootcamp) so that I at >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> least >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> can >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> use >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> my mac >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> all >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> the time even if I need to use windows, hopefully >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> for >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> the >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> scanning and >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> downloading tasks I will in the future be able to >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> use >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> the >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> mac >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> and >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> I have >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> hopes for muds as well but for now at least my mac >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> is >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> mostly >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> used >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> at >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> school >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> and in the library. >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Greetings, Anouk, >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>> >>>>> >>>> >>> >>> >>>> >> >> >>> >> > > > > --~--~---------~--~----~------------~-------~--~----~ You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "MacVisionaries" group. 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