Hi Nic, I think you're dead on. At least for me, my work environment has had a very definite impact on my experience with my Mac.
I think I'm also lucky. I never switched to Windows Vista, thank God! I'm still running XP, which I think makes my Windows life a lot easier! Take care, Donna On Oct 22, 2009, at 2:54 AM, Nicolai Svendsen wrote: > > Hi, > > I think one of the biggest issues that are represented here is work. > Depending on what you're doing, the company you work for might require > that you work with their systems, most likely Windows or Linux. I've > encountered companies in my country that use Mac OS X, but not many, > which definitely does get confusing. I would suppose that, if you work > more than you have time to play with your Mac, the PC immediately > takes priority for obvious reasons and it'll take you longer to get > used to it. > > I study computer science, and on occasion I actually have to struggle > with Windows commands. I find Windows so sluggish and unresponsive now > compared to the Mac, and that's not an attempt to slam it, because I'm > sure it has its advantages for some people, it's just not snappy and > stable enough for what I need it to do.. Granted, I mostly do use my > Mac for things such as browsing the web, editing, reading mail and so- > forth, but what frustrated me with Windows was the crashes. That is > one thing I don't miss. Otherwise, Windows is definitely a good > system. For me, it just wasn't good enough, so to speak, and it > frustrated the heck out of me sometimes. Sometimes I was happy with > it, to be fair. But I also think one superiority the Mac has over the > Windows operating system is the integrated screen access software. If > you update your display drivers, you don't need to spend time > reinstalling and installing applications to discover it didn't work, > then install the latest version of an application such as JAWS to > finally make it understand that you actually want Video Intercept > installed for the thousandth time, then downgrade if you don't like > JAWS 11. If you're me, you don't like JAWS 11, but that's another > story entirely. But that's another thing that made me all too willing > to switch, with no regrets. Yeah, I wish someone would put together a > MUD client that actually had VoiceOver support, or at least utilize > the text to speech features that use the built-in voices without > VoiceOver. That'd at least be a start. > > Otherwise, I don't use Windows at all except to comply with those > people who still send me executables on CDs. Or to play MUDs. You can > do exactly the same things on the Mac as you can on Windows, the only > problem every switcher probably has is the fact that they don't know > which applications to look for to accomplish said task. I've had my > Mac since August 1 as I said earlier, and I certainly don't know all > the substitutes for Windows programs yet. That having been said, I > only use Windows for the tasks written above. > > Thought I'd share my views once again, and I'll probably be writing > more. > > Regards, > Nic > Skype: Kvalme > MSN Messenger: nico...@home3.gvdnet.dk > AIM: cincinster > yahoo Messenger: cin368 > Facebook Profile > My Twitter > > On Oct 22, 2009, at 5:44 AM, May McDonald wrote: > >> >> Smile, thank you very much. >> On 2009-10-21, at 8:41 PM, Ryan Mann wrote: >> >>> >>> You can see the commands that are set up by default by doing the >>> following: >>> 1. Open VoiceOver utility. >>> 2. Interact with the Utility categories table and vo+downarrow to >>> the >>> commands category, then stop interacting. >>> 3. Select the Keyboard tab. >>> 4. Vo+rightarrow and you should hear a checkbox to enable keyboard >>> commander. Check that box. >>> 5. Vo+rightarrow again and you should hear "keyboard commander >>> table." Interact with that table. After you interact with that >>> table, you should be able to use the usual VoiceOver navigation >>> commands to hear what commands are set. >>> n Oct 21, 2009, at 10:50 PM, May McDonald wrote: >>> >>>> >>>> Hmm, that's really good to know. Is there a place where I can find >>>> other commands the apple script has? I guess I'll go check that >>>> option now. >>>> On 2009-10-21, at 7:27 PM, Ryan Mann wrote: >>>> >>>>> >>>>> Hello. If you're running Snow Leopard and you have Voiceover set >>>>> to >>>>> allow it to be controled by Apple Script, you can hit option+t to >>>>> check the time. >>>>> >>>>> On Oct 21, 2009, at 8:16 PM, peter apgar wrote: >>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> well said all, >>>>>> >>>>>> there are several cool factors for the mac os. one of which is >>>>>> the >>>>>> fact that we don't have to pay extra for the accessibility. >>>>>> however >>>>>> the largest down fall is the majority of work places do not >>>>>> support >>>>>> OSX. for this reason alone i only have limited time to explore >>>>>> its >>>>>> virtues. i will second the same issues that Donna posted >>>>>> previously. additionally i have found that there is a lot more >>>>>> interaction for simple tasks. double the key strokes for the >>>>>> same >>>>>> actions as in ms is just a minor peev. i am quite worried that >>>>>> running two or possibly three systems may become overwhelming >>>>>> when >>>>>> begining a graduate program. i guess only time will tell. has >>>>>> any >>>>>> one written code for a quick check of the time? >>>>>> >>>>>> Have good evening, >>>>>> >>>>>> Pete >>>>>> On Oct 21, 2009, at 11:51 AM, May McDonald wrote: >>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> Hi all, I guess I'll jump in on this thread as well. I haven't >>>>>>> had >>>>>>> my >>>>>>> mac for 2 months yet, but pretty close. >>>>>>> >>>>>>> I'm amazed that I was able to make the switch so easily to the >>>>>>> mac. >>>>>>> In fact, now whenever I have to use a windows machine I finder >>>>>>> it a >>>>>>> little harder to think of the windows commands because they >>>>>>> aren't >>>>>>> used by me all the time anymore, smile. >>>>>>> >>>>>>> I will be putting windows 7 on this mac but again it won't be >>>>>>> used >>>>>>> all >>>>>>> the time, only for scanning because I liked my scanning software >>>>>>> for >>>>>>> windows and to play games. Other than that, it will be hidden >>>>>>> behind >>>>>>> mac. >>>>>>> >>>>>>> I'm glad I made the switch and now go back to the basics and >>>>>>> figure >>>>>>> out how sly and vo work, lol. >>>>>>> On 2009-10-21, at 8:41 AM, Donna Goodin wrote: >>>>>>> >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> Wow, Nic, you are a determined soul! :) I'm glad that after >>>>>>>> all >>>>>>>> you >>>>>>>> had to go through with the install, the Mac turned out to suit >>>>>>>> your >>>>>>>> needs. >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> You people who have taken so readily to web-browsing on the >>>>>>>> Mac, >>>>>>>> fascinate me. I keep playing with it, hoping to come to the >>>>>>>> same >>>>>>>> conclusion, but it just doesn't happen. For example, I am >>>>>>>> currently >>>>>>>> job-hunting, and the other night, received a job match from a >>>>>>>> site I >>>>>>>> am registered with. When Safari loaded the page and auto- >>>>>>>> read, >>>>>>>> it >>>>>>>> read everything just as you would expect. But then, I >>>>>>>> decided I >>>>>>>> wanted to take a second look at the preferred qualifications. I >>>>>>>> couldn't find them to save my soul! I arrowed around, I >>>>>>>> interacted >>>>>>>> with stuff, and nothing. So, I booted up my Pc, went into IE, >>>>>>>> and >>>>>>>> found what I was looking for in two seconds. And I still have >>>>>>>> no >>>>>>>> clue >>>>>>>> what I should have done to locate that info in Safari. I often >>>>>>>> feel >>>>>>>> like because of all the interacting and stuff, that viewing a >>>>>>>> webpage >>>>>>>> in Safari is like looking at it through tinted glass or >>>>>>>> through a >>>>>>>> veil >>>>>>>> that only lets you see the outline of what you're looking at. >>>>>>>> Links >>>>>>>> of course are no problem, it's the text content that is often >>>>>>>> very >>>>>>>> difficult to locate. >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> I highly recommend the iphone, I've found it to be a delightful >>>>>>>> little >>>>>>>> toy, um, I mean, device. *grin* >>>>>>>> Cheers, >>>>>>>> Donna >>>>>>>> On Oct 21, 2009, at 11:03 AM, Nicolai Svendsen wrote: >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> Hi, >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> Definitely quite an interesting story. >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> I got my Mac on August 1. It was actually an odd experience. I >>>>>>>>> went >>>>>>>>> to >>>>>>>>> an Apple store a couple weeks prior to my purchase just to try >>>>>>>>> it >>>>>>>>> out. >>>>>>>>> I had attempted to use OS X 10.4, Tiger in the past at an >>>>>>>>> institute >>>>>>>>> for the blind, but I actually didn't like it. I thought it was >>>>>>>>> quite >>>>>>>>> literally a pile of crap. >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> I start listening to podcasts that sighted and blind users >>>>>>>>> have >>>>>>>>> done >>>>>>>>> for the Macintosh, and figure I'll give it another shot. I >>>>>>>>> finally >>>>>>>>> decided to purchase a Mac, because I had frankly become >>>>>>>>> extremely >>>>>>>>> frustrated with Windows and most certainly Vista. XP has >>>>>>>>> always >>>>>>>>> been >>>>>>>>> my favorite if I do have to use Windows. I'd become tired of >>>>>>>>> how >>>>>>>>> many >>>>>>>>> things you needed for Windows to work efficiently. Sometimes >>>>>>>>> you >>>>>>>>> had >>>>>>>>> to worry about corrupted files, leftovers from previously >>>>>>>>> installed >>>>>>>>> applications, that sort of thing not to mention the registry. >>>>>>>>> The >>>>>>>>> headache. >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> So I decided to take the plunge. >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> I read through the entire VoiceOver manual the day before I >>>>>>>>> went >>>>>>>>> back >>>>>>>>> to the store, and wrote down notes for the things I figured >>>>>>>>> I'd >>>>>>>>> mostly >>>>>>>>> be using for a while. When I arrived at the store, I went to >>>>>>>>> try >>>>>>>>> it >>>>>>>>> out again to make sure a Mac would be what I desired. It >>>>>>>>> definitely >>>>>>>>> was. So much that, in fact, that even though they only had a >>>>>>>>> showroom >>>>>>>>> floor model at the time, I grabbed it. The cleaned it off >>>>>>>>> thoroughly, >>>>>>>>> wrapped it up and tossed the DVDs I'd need in the box. I was >>>>>>>>> happy. >>>>>>>>> So >>>>>>>>> very happy. >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> I arrive home, and I'm practically tingling with excitement. I >>>>>>>>> almost >>>>>>>>> rip the box apart (taking care of the DVDs of course), get out >>>>>>>>> my >>>>>>>>> shiny Macbook and hook it up. >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> Oh no! >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> What I did know was that I had to reinstall it, but I didn't >>>>>>>>> care. I >>>>>>>>> didn't want any of that junk on it they had installed to >>>>>>>>> advertise. >>>>>>>>> So >>>>>>>>> i went ahead. I rebooted it, held down the C-key when the >>>>>>>>> installation >>>>>>>>> DVD had been sucked into the Mac and I heard the startup >>>>>>>>> sound. >>>>>>>>> It >>>>>>>>> displayed the finder and spat out the DVD. Literally. So I >>>>>>>>> decided >>>>>>>>> that apparently wasn't working for whatever reason. I located >>>>>>>>> the >>>>>>>>> installer DVD in the finder and open it. Authentication. God >>>>>>>>> dang >>>>>>>>> it! >>>>>>>>> Behold the password box. I was required to enter a password to >>>>>>>>> proceed. Of course, the Macbook had not been set to require a >>>>>>>>> password >>>>>>>>> at login. >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> I call them at the store, and ask them for a password. I told >>>>>>>>> them >>>>>>>>> the >>>>>>>>> C-key solution had not worked to boot from the DVD, and they >>>>>>>>> promptly >>>>>>>>> complied with my request. They gave me several passwords to >>>>>>>>> enter, >>>>>>>>> and >>>>>>>>> I did. >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> "The name or password you entered is incorrect." >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> I went back to the store, and they had a look at it. Most >>>>>>>>> annoying >>>>>>>>> of >>>>>>>>> all was that finally, the C-key actually seemed to work. I was >>>>>>>>> installing it when I got home. By this point, I was like a kid >>>>>>>>> on >>>>>>>>> his >>>>>>>>> birthday. >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> I thought I'd share my experience with all of you on the list. >>>>>>>>> Yes, I >>>>>>>>> am aware it's probably quite long-winded. But what can you >>>>>>>>> do? I >>>>>>>>> do >>>>>>>>> run Windows as a virtual machine, but only to MUD. I do >>>>>>>>> sometimes >>>>>>>>> find >>>>>>>>> it kind of annoying having to run two programs just to scan >>>>>>>>> and >>>>>>>>> recognize the image. That is why I liked Omnipage, and there >>>>>>>>> has >>>>>>>>> to >>>>>>>>> be >>>>>>>>> a solution out there that does exactly the same. >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> As for my web browsing experience, everything is much more >>>>>>>>> smooth >>>>>>>>> and >>>>>>>>> responsive. I can easily find what I want by using the search >>>>>>>>> feature >>>>>>>>> in VoiceOver, and ever since Leopard was released the web >>>>>>>>> rotor >>>>>>>>> makes >>>>>>>>> it even easier, not to mention Auto web spots. So yes, I do >>>>>>>>> use >>>>>>>>> Windows. Rarely, but I do. And I'm definitely not ashamed to >>>>>>>>> admit >>>>>>>>> it. >>>>>>>>> But if a MUD client was accessible to VoiceOver, I would not >>>>>>>>> touch >>>>>>>>> it >>>>>>>>> again. I've found my experience with Mac has not only been >>>>>>>>> productive, >>>>>>>>> but fun and enjoyable where as with Windows, I wanted to throw >>>>>>>>> the >>>>>>>>> machine through the window half the time I was using it due to >>>>>>>>> freezes, driver errors and so-forth. >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> Well, I think I'm done now. I want an iPhone, now that you >>>>>>>>> mention >>>>>>>>> it, >>>>>>>>> but at the same time you don't always need to have the latest >>>>>>>>> and >>>>>>>>> greatest. And I need to realize that. :P. Yes, I loved the >>>>>>>>> iPhone >>>>>>>>> and >>>>>>>>> I'm used to the gestures since I use my trackpad quite a lot, >>>>>>>>> but >>>>>>>>> at >>>>>>>>> the same time, I need a phone for text messaging and phone >>>>>>>>> calls. >>>>>>>>> That >>>>>>>>> is about it. It'll probably be faster to accomplish those >>>>>>>>> tasks >>>>>>>>> with >>>>>>>>> the iPhone, I have no doubt about it. Maybe one day I'll even >>>>>>>>> get >>>>>>>>> one. >>>>>>>>> But when I find a really good reason except for all the apps >>>>>>>>> you >>>>>>>>> can >>>>>>>>> seemingly install with no issues, perfectly usable, then I >>>>>>>>> won't >>>>>>>>> buy >>>>>>>>> one. Besides, who wants to pay $99.95 for an iPhone plan in >>>>>>>>> Denmark? >>>>>>>>> Not me. >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> Have a great afternoon, folks. I at least know those living in >>>>>>>>> the >>>>>>>>> Eastern timezone are approaching lunch time. :) >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> Regards, >>>>>>>>> Nic >>>>>>>>> Skype: Kvalme >>>>>>>>> MSN Messenger: nico...@home3.gvdnet.dk >>>>>>>>> AIM: cincinster >>>>>>>>> yahoo Messenger: cin368 >>>>>>>>> Facebook Profile >>>>>>>>> My Twitter >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> On Oct 21, 2009, at 4:17 PM, Donna Goodin wrote: >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> Hi all, >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> I Thought I'd weigh in here, since I got my Mac around the >>>>>>>>>> same >>>>>>>>>> time >>>>>>>>>> almost, I'm going on three months now. >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> I agree with Anouk, and would add that I often find it's >>>>>>>>>> easier >>>>>>>>>> to >>>>>>>>>> use my PC for work-related tasks. As I mentioned earlier, I >>>>>>>>>> use >>>>>>>>>> the >>>>>>>>>> ap Blackboard, which I have to use Windows for, as Safari >>>>>>>>>> isn't >>>>>>>>>> currently supported.. Since I'm logged into Blackboard most >>>>>>>>>> days, >>>>>>>>>> that >>>>>>>>>> sort of automatically means I'm using my PC, and the Mac gets >>>>>>>>>> relegated to after-hours. >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> I also still strongly prefer web-browsing on my PC. I've had >>>>>>>>>> so >>>>>>>>>> many >>>>>>>>>> experiences where on the Mac I simply cannot locate an item >>>>>>>>>> that I >>>>>>>>>> know is on a certain page. This never happens to me on the >>>>>>>>>> PC. I >>>>>>>>>> find >>>>>>>>>> that when browsing, I can do things in half the time on my >>>>>>>>>> PC, >>>>>>>>>> and >>>>>>>>>> sometimes on the Mac, even after spending the extra time, I >>>>>>>>>> don't >>>>>>>>>> find >>>>>>>>>> what I'm looking for, and end up going back to the PC anyway. >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> I'm an avid reader, and so do a lot of scanning. I really >>>>>>>>>> don't >>>>>>>>>> like >>>>>>>>>> the idea of having to use two separate programs, one for >>>>>>>>>> scanning >>>>>>>>>> and >>>>>>>>>> one for the OCR, especially when I have one program on my PC >>>>>>>>>> that >>>>>>>>>> will >>>>>>>>>> do both jobs quite nicely. This of course isn't an Apple >>>>>>>>>> issue, >>>>>>>>>> but I >>>>>>>>>> do think that for many of us who are blind, the lack of a >>>>>>>>>> good >>>>>>>>>> solid >>>>>>>>>> scanning/ocr option, is a real obstacle in terms of seeing >>>>>>>>>> the >>>>>>>>>> Mac >>>>>>>>>> as >>>>>>>>>> a PC replacement. >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> Like Anouk, I've also pretty much decided to keep both a Mac >>>>>>>>>> and a >>>>>>>>>> PC. at least for now, though I confess I'm tempted some days >>>>>>>>>> to >>>>>>>>>> just >>>>>>>>>> go back to my PC, in the interest of running just one OS on >>>>>>>>>> one >>>>>>>>>> computer. When I got my Mac, I had hoped not to upgrade to >>>>>>>>>> JAWS >>>>>>>>>> 11 >>>>>>>>>> and Windows 7, but it looks like I'll be getting both. I use >>>>>>>>>> my >>>>>>>>>> PC >>>>>>>>>> for >>>>>>>>>> work, for scanning, and for most of my web browsing, which is >>>>>>>>>> 90% >>>>>>>>>> of >>>>>>>>>> what I do. I like the Mac a lot. I like that VO is built >>>>>>>>>> in, I >>>>>>>>>> like >>>>>>>>>> the speed and responsiveness of the Mac, I like the fact that >>>>>>>>>> it >>>>>>>>>> doesn't take a year to boot or load an ap, and I like working >>>>>>>>>> with >>>>>>>>>> Itunes (I'm still running 8.2.), and I think the Mac seems to >>>>>>>>>> be >>>>>>>>>> far >>>>>>>>>> superior in how it works with Media. But the PC is what I go >>>>>>>>>> to >>>>>>>>>> for >>>>>>>>>> the things I really need to get done. I think for me, my >>>>>>>>>> experience >>>>>>>>>> with the Mac reflects my experience with the iphone. When I >>>>>>>>>> compare >>>>>>>>>> my iphone with my old Windows Mobile phone, the iphone is >>>>>>>>>> much >>>>>>>>>> more >>>>>>>>>> fun! I love the aps, the games, the ability to quickly do >>>>>>>>>> things >>>>>>>>>> like >>>>>>>>>> check weather, whereas my WM phone was loaded with all kinds >>>>>>>>>> of >>>>>>>>>> practical stuff for editing documents spreadsheets, >>>>>>>>>> powerpoint, >>>>>>>>>> and >>>>>>>>>> so >>>>>>>>>> on. I don't want to do any of that stuff on my phone, so for >>>>>>>>>> me, >>>>>>>>>> the >>>>>>>>>> iphone is by far the better fit. but when it comes to a >>>>>>>>>> computer, >>>>>>>>>> it >>>>>>>>>> cuts the other way, and I find myself favoring the PC which >>>>>>>>>> seems >>>>>>>>>> to >>>>>>>>>> lend itself more to the day-to-day things I need to get done. >>>>>>>>>> Best, >>>>>>>>>> Donna >>>>>>>>>> On Oct 21, 2009, at 5:05 AM, Nicolai Svendsen wrote: >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> Hi again folks, >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> Yes, broadcasts can certainly be done. Nicecast from Rogue >>>>>>>>>>> Amoeba >>>>>>>>>>> http://rogueamoeba.com >>>>>>>>>>> works extremely well. The only issue seems to be the effects >>>>>>>>>>> scroll >>>>>>>>>>> area, but I hope they'll be working on that. Otherwise, it >>>>>>>>>>> works >>>>>>>>>>> ridiculously well, in fact, and I have nothing to complain >>>>>>>>>>> about. >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> I'm not exactly sure about your Thumbkey thing. I don't get >>>>>>>>>>> it. >>>>>>>>>>> If >>>>>>>>>>> you >>>>>>>>>>> can elaborate? Maybe I'm being dense here. :). >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> As for VLC, I've never actually tried it out, and I >>>>>>>>>>> personally >>>>>>>>>>> love >>>>>>>>>>> using Safari for web browsing. For me, everything is much >>>>>>>>>>> faster. >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> Also, which braille display are you using? >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> Regards, >>>>>>>>>>> Nic >>>>>>>>>>> Skype: Kvalme >>>>>>>>>>> MSN Messenger: nico...@home3.gvdnet.dk >>>>>>>>>>> AIM: cincinster >>>>>>>>>>> yahoo Messenger: cin368 >>>>>>>>>>> Facebook Profile >>>>>>>>>>> My Twitter >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> On Oct 21, 2009, at 10:22 AM, Tony Bernedal wrote: >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> Hi again. >>>>>>>>>>>> Wow. Echomac, never heard of it but when I google it I >>>>>>>>>>>> found >>>>>>>>>>>> http://echomac.sourceforge.net/ >>>>>>>>>>>> I'll try it when I'm back home from work. >>>>>>>>>>>> Anouk, I had a fire dtv reciever and used it with dvb >>>>>>>>>>>> viewer >>>>>>>>>>>> on >>>>>>>>>>>> windows and Eye tv have driver for it so I gave it a try >>>>>>>>>>>> but >>>>>>>>>>>> it >>>>>>>>>>>> doesn't work as I want at the moment. >>>>>>>>>>>> I have readiris on the disk and I'm going to try it out and >>>>>>>>>>>> see >>>>>>>>>>>> how >>>>>>>>>>>> it >>>>>>>>>>>> works with swedish language and so on. >>>>>>>>>>>> I have heard of some broadcast tools for mac but at the >>>>>>>>>>>> moment I >>>>>>>>>>>> haven't looked in to it. I don't broadcast at the moment so >>>>>>>>>>>> it >>>>>>>>>>>> doesn't >>>>>>>>>>>> have so high priority. I still have my studio pc sitting >>>>>>>>>>>> under >>>>>>>>>>>> the >>>>>>>>>>>> desk so I can use stationplaylist and all the broadcast >>>>>>>>>>>> stuff >>>>>>>>>>>> if I >>>>>>>>>>>> want to. >>>>>>>>>>>> Regards Tony >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> 2009/10/21, a radix <anou...@home.nl>: >>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>> Hey Tony, Nice to hear from you! (the world is a small >>>>>>>>>>>>> place) >>>>>>>>>>>>> Funny >>>>>>>>>>>>> we >>>>>>>>>>>>> started our mac journey at the seem time. I am curious, >>>>>>>>>>>>> can >>>>>>>>>>>>> you >>>>>>>>>>>>> broadcast on >>>>>>>>>>>>> the mac? I guess otsjuke wont work and obiously shoutcast >>>>>>>>>>>>> wont >>>>>>>>>>>>> either. I was >>>>>>>>>>>>> thinking of running windows with vmware but now I am just >>>>>>>>>>>>> thinking >>>>>>>>>>>>> to ask my >>>>>>>>>>>>> brother to help me install windows 7 via bootcamp instead. >>>>>>>>>>>>> Has >>>>>>>>>>>>> anyone got >>>>>>>>>>>>> experience with installing windows via bootcamp as dual >>>>>>>>>>>>> boot? >>>>>>>>>>>>> Is >>>>>>>>>>>>> it >>>>>>>>>>>>> diffucult? I presume the drivers for windows 7 for the >>>>>>>>>>>>> macbook >>>>>>>>>>>>> pro >>>>>>>>>>>>> will be >>>>>>>>>>>>> available from apple? I still want to try vuescan an >>>>>>>>>>>>> dreadiris, >>>>>>>>>>>>> in >>>>>>>>>>>>> fact i >>>>>>>>>>>>> have the programs on my computer bu tI want to wait till >>>>>>>>>>>>> hp >>>>>>>>>>>>> releases the >>>>>>>>>>>>> drivers for my scanner that are native to sl, also I hope >>>>>>>>>>>>> by >>>>>>>>>>>>> that >>>>>>>>>>>>> time abbyy >>>>>>>>>>>>> will have released a demo of finereader for the mac that >>>>>>>>>>>>> is >>>>>>>>>>>>> native >>>>>>>>>>>>> to sl. I >>>>>>>>>>>>> am just concerned that either adf wont work, scanning iwll >>>>>>>>>>>>> be >>>>>>>>>>>>> very >>>>>>>>>>>>> slow or >>>>>>>>>>>>> dutch character recognition wont be as good as omnipage. >>>>>>>>>>>>> I am surprised that you also have the thumbkey problem, i >>>>>>>>>>>>> thought >>>>>>>>>>>>> it was >>>>>>>>>>>>> something stupid on my part, corrupt install whatever. I >>>>>>>>>>>>> guess >>>>>>>>>>>>> we >>>>>>>>>>>>> will both >>>>>>>>>>>>> have to mail apple accessibility about this. >>>>>>>>>>>>> So, you are using a tv tuner with your mac? This is the >>>>>>>>>>>>> next >>>>>>>>>>>>> thing >>>>>>>>>>>>> i want to >>>>>>>>>>>>> taccle since now I have an analog tv standing on my desk >>>>>>>>>>>>> and >>>>>>>>>>>>> it >>>>>>>>>>>>> is >>>>>>>>>>>>> taking up >>>>>>>>>>>>> space that I could use otherwise. I did have digital tv in >>>>>>>>>>>>> the >>>>>>>>>>>>> past >>>>>>>>>>>>> bu tI >>>>>>>>>>>>> had a lot of trouble with it and in the end just went back >>>>>>>>>>>>> to >>>>>>>>>>>>> analog. There >>>>>>>>>>>>> are not that many tuners for the mac I think (analog or >>>>>>>>>>>>> otherwise) >>>>>>>>>>>>> and I >>>>>>>>>>>>> guess even less that are available in Europe. Which do you >>>>>>>>>>>>> use? I >>>>>>>>>>>>> guess as >>>>>>>>>>>>> long as I get one with a remote things will be ok (if it >>>>>>>>>>>>> indeed >>>>>>>>>>>>> can >>>>>>>>>>>>> find the >>>>>>>>>>>>> channels). >>>>>>>>>>>>> I too LOVE the sleep features of the mac, i never turn >>>>>>>>>>>>> mine >>>>>>>>>>>>> off, >>>>>>>>>>>>> just close >>>>>>>>>>>>> the lid and thats it. >>>>>>>>>>>>> Greetings, Anouk, >>>>>>>>>>>>> ----- Original Message ----- >>>>>>>>>>>>> From: "Tony Bernedal" <t...@bernedal.net> >>>>>>>>>>>>> To: <macvisionaries@googlegroups.com> >>>>>>>>>>>>> Sent: Wednesday, October 21, 2009 9:16 AM >>>>>>>>>>>>> Subject: Re: my 2 months with a mac >>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>> Hi Anouk. >>>>>>>>>>>>>> I have also used my mac for around 3 months now, and like >>>>>>>>>>>>>> you I >>>>>>>>>>>>>> still >>>>>>>>>>>>>> use windows for a couple of things. I trying to get the >>>>>>>>>>>>>> scanning >>>>>>>>>>>>>> and >>>>>>>>>>>>>> ocr to work on the mac but for now windows and omnipage >>>>>>>>>>>>>> have >>>>>>>>>>>>>> to >>>>>>>>>>>>>> do >>>>>>>>>>>>>> the >>>>>>>>>>>>>> jobb. I had a license for windows xp lying on the shelf >>>>>>>>>>>>>> from a >>>>>>>>>>>>>> no >>>>>>>>>>>>>> longer working laptop and I installed xp with vmware as a >>>>>>>>>>>>>> virtual >>>>>>>>>>>>>> machine and doing my scanning there and it works good but >>>>>>>>>>>>>> the >>>>>>>>>>>>>> virtual >>>>>>>>>>>>>> machine is very slow. I also use windows for Echolink, >>>>>>>>>>>>>> wich >>>>>>>>>>>>>> is a >>>>>>>>>>>>>> ham-radio software wich don't exist on the mac. Also the >>>>>>>>>>>>>> software >>>>>>>>>>>>>> to >>>>>>>>>>>>>> setup and program my hamradio stations is only windows >>>>>>>>>>>>>> programs. >>>>>>>>>>>>>> I'm >>>>>>>>>>>>>> very happy mac user now and after some updates to snow >>>>>>>>>>>>>> leopard >>>>>>>>>>>>>> my >>>>>>>>>>>>>> problems with it is gone. >>>>>>>>>>>>>> I hope the issue with the thumbkey on your display can be >>>>>>>>>>>>>> solved. I >>>>>>>>>>>>>> have same issue with alva satelite. >>>>>>>>>>>>>> I also have a battle with EyeTV software wich for some >>>>>>>>>>>>>> odd >>>>>>>>>>>>>> reason >>>>>>>>>>>>>> doesn't find my tv channels on the cable network. And it >>>>>>>>>>>>>> is >>>>>>>>>>>>>> also >>>>>>>>>>>>>> very >>>>>>>>>>>>>> tricky to use with VO. I use VLC for webradio and movies >>>>>>>>>>>>>> and >>>>>>>>>>>>>> it >>>>>>>>>>>>>> works >>>>>>>>>>>>>> great (vlc version 1.x doesn't work under windows and >>>>>>>>>>>>>> linux >>>>>>>>>>>>>> at >>>>>>>>>>>>>> all >>>>>>>>>>>>>> with screenreader, only on mac, great!). >>>>>>>>>>>>>> And I also like the speed, starting my windows pc here at >>>>>>>>>>>>>> works >>>>>>>>>>>>>> take >>>>>>>>>>>>>> forever and the mac is at the desktop in almost 0 time. >>>>>>>>>>>>>> And, >>>>>>>>>>>>>> the >>>>>>>>>>>>>> sleep >>>>>>>>>>>>>> works well too. >>>>>>>>>>>>>> So I'm happy with my mac system. >>>>>>>>>>>>>> Good luck with your mac! >>>>>>>>>>>>>> Regards Tony >>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>> 2009/10/21, a radix <anou...@home.nl>: >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Hello, I have been using my mac for about 2 months now >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> especially >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> at >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> school >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> although at home I still often use my pc and I will >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> explain >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> below >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> why. In >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> general my experiences with the mac have been very >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> positive >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> especially >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> after >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> installing snow leopard. I can use skype and msn just as >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> well >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> as >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> on my >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> pc. >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> And after I dumped itunes and started using vlc instead >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> watching >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> movies >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> and >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> listening to music became a breeze. I recently bought >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> apples >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> office suite >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> because I prefer that over using textedit or the free >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> text >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> editors/office >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> suits that are available. I am also intending to go and >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> use >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> garage band >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> in >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> the future if I can get that working with my yamaha >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> keyboard. I >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> like the >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> built-in speakers and sound quality alhtough listening >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> through >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> its sound >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> output with my own in ear monitors is nothing special. I >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> still >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> find using >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> the internet on the mac a bit mor ework then i did while >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> using >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> my >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> pc and >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> it >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> goes a bit slower also when reading docucments i notice >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> that I >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> cannot >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> endlessly use the right thumb key on my braille display >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> to >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> continue >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> reading, >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> eventually i have to press the right arrow on my normal >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> keyboard >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> if I >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> want >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> to read onm. This does become irritating after a while >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> if >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> you >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> need to >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> read >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> long documents. >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> At home I still mostly use my windows pc although i now >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> have >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> gotten mail >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> working on the mac as well because 1. I use omnipage pro >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> 16 >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> under >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> windows >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> to >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> scan my books for school, while I know that there are >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> some >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> scanning >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> solutions for the mac that i will probbably try once the >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> hp >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> drivers for >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> sl >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> have been released I just dont know if they will be as >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> good >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> and >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> easy as >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> using omnipage pro 16 and am a bit hesistant to try it >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> because >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> of >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> that (I >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> really really hope that a full version of finereader >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> will >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> eventually be >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> released for the mac since I have heard it can rival >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> omnipage >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> pro). >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Secondly there is filesharing, i will be brief. Ftp does >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> work >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> on >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> the mac >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> with transmit which I rather like although I have not >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> registered >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> it yet, >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> questions i asked its support team went unanswered. >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Usenet >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> also >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> works but >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> udner windows I preferred to use other programs which >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> are >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> not >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> available >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> on >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> the mac. >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> The third point is playing games which I do a lot on the >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> pec >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> especially >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> interactive fiction and muds. There is an interpreter >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> for >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> interactive >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> fiction called zoom which I tried and although I can >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> open >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> games >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> with it >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> saved games were a problem for me since I could not >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> open a >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> saved >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> game >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> file >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> (made in frotz). >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> For muds the situation on the mac is not so good, I play >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> them >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> all >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> the >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> time >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> on windows but there is only one mudclient that I know >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> of >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> which >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> works >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> under >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> sl and which is still being developed, jamochamud which >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> works >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> under java. >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> It >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> is not too accessible at the moment but the programmer >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> has >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> promised to >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> look >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> at it, still it does not offer all the features even >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> then >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> that I >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> am used >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> to >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> on a windows client. >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> As soon as windows 7 becomes officially available I am >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> planning >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> to >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> install >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> it on my mac (probbably via bootcamp) so that I at least >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> can >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> use >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> my mac >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> all >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> the time even if I need to use windows, hopefully for >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> the >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> scanning and >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> downloading tasks I will in the future be able to use >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> the >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> mac >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> and >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> I have >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> hopes for muds as well but for now at least my mac is >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> mostly >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> used >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> at >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> school >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> and in the library. >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Greetings, Anouk, >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>>> >>>> >>>> >>>>> >>> >>> >>>> >> >> >>> > > > > > --~--~---------~--~----~------------~-------~--~----~ You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "MacVisionaries" group. 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