I'm running Vista.

Donna Goodin wrote:
> Hi Nic,
>
> I think you're dead on.  At least for me, my work environment has had  
> a very definite impact on my experience with my Mac.
>
> I think I'm also lucky.  I never switched to Windows Vista, thank God!  
> I'm still running XP, which I think makes my Windows life a lot easier!
> Take care,
> Donna
> On Oct 22, 2009, at 2:54 AM, Nicolai Svendsen wrote:
>
>   
>> Hi,
>>
>> I think one of the biggest issues that are represented here is work.
>> Depending on what you're doing, the company you work for might require
>> that you work with their systems, most likely Windows or Linux. I've
>> encountered companies in my country that use Mac OS X, but not many,
>> which definitely does get confusing. I would suppose that, if you work
>> more than you have time to play with your Mac, the PC immediately
>> takes priority for obvious reasons and it'll take you longer to get
>> used to it.
>>
>> I study computer science, and on occasion I actually have to struggle
>> with Windows commands. I find Windows so sluggish and unresponsive now
>> compared to the Mac, and that's not an attempt to slam it, because I'm
>> sure it has its advantages for some people, it's just not snappy and
>> stable enough for what I need it to do.. Granted, I mostly do use my
>> Mac for things such as browsing the web, editing, reading mail and so-
>> forth, but what frustrated me with Windows was the crashes. That is
>> one thing I don't miss. Otherwise, Windows is definitely a good
>> system. For me, it just wasn't good enough, so to speak, and it
>> frustrated the heck out of me sometimes. Sometimes I was happy with
>> it, to be fair. But I also think one superiority the Mac has over the
>> Windows operating system is the integrated screen access software. If
>> you update your display drivers, you don't need to spend time
>> reinstalling and installing applications to discover it didn't work,
>> then install the latest version of an application such as JAWS to
>> finally make it understand that you actually want Video Intercept
>> installed for the thousandth time, then downgrade if you don't like
>> JAWS 11. If you're me, you don't like JAWS 11, but that's another
>> story entirely. But that's another thing that made me all too willing
>> to switch, with no regrets. Yeah, I wish someone would put together a
>> MUD client that actually had VoiceOver support, or at least utilize
>> the text to speech features that use the built-in voices without
>> VoiceOver. That'd at least be a start.
>>
>> Otherwise, I don't use Windows at all except to comply with those
>> people who still send me executables on CDs. Or to play MUDs. You can
>> do exactly the same things on the Mac as you can on Windows, the only
>> problem every switcher probably has is the fact that they don't know
>> which applications to look for to accomplish said task. I've had my
>> Mac since August 1 as I said earlier, and I certainly don't know all
>> the substitutes for Windows programs yet. That having been said, I
>> only use Windows for the tasks written above.
>>
>> Thought I'd share my views once again, and I'll probably be writing
>> more.
>>
>> Regards,
>> Nic
>> Skype: Kvalme
>> MSN Messenger: nico...@home3.gvdnet.dk
>> AIM: cincinster
>> yahoo Messenger: cin368
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>> My Twitter
>>
>> On Oct 22, 2009, at 5:44 AM, May McDonald wrote:
>>
>>     
>>> Smile, thank you very much.
>>> On 2009-10-21, at 8:41 PM, Ryan Mann wrote:
>>>
>>>       
>>>> You can see the commands that are set up by default by doing the
>>>> following:
>>>> 1.  Open VoiceOver utility.
>>>> 2.  Interact with the Utility categories table and vo+downarrow to
>>>> the
>>>> commands category, then stop interacting.
>>>> 3.  Select the Keyboard tab.
>>>> 4.  Vo+rightarrow and you should hear a checkbox to enable keyboard
>>>> commander.  Check that box.
>>>> 5.  Vo+rightarrow again and you should hear "keyboard commander
>>>> table."  Interact with that table.  After you interact with that
>>>> table, you should be able to use the usual VoiceOver navigation
>>>> commands to hear what commands are set.
>>>> n Oct 21, 2009, at 10:50 PM, May McDonald wrote:
>>>>
>>>>         
>>>>> Hmm, that's really good to know.  Is there a place where I can find
>>>>> other commands the apple script has?  I guess I'll go check that
>>>>> option now.
>>>>> On 2009-10-21, at 7:27 PM, Ryan Mann wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>           
>>>>>> Hello.  If you're running Snow Leopard and you have Voiceover set
>>>>>> to
>>>>>> allow it to be controled by Apple Script, you can hit option+t to
>>>>>> check the time.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> On Oct 21, 2009, at 8:16 PM, peter apgar wrote:
>>>>>>
>>>>>>             
>>>>>>> well said all,
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>         there are several cool factors for the mac os.  one of which is
>>>>>>> the
>>>>>>> fact that we don't have to pay extra for the accessibility.
>>>>>>> however
>>>>>>> the largest down fall is the majority of work places do not
>>>>>>> support
>>>>>>> OSX.  for this reason alone i only have limited time to explore
>>>>>>> its
>>>>>>> virtues.  i will second  the same issues that Donna posted
>>>>>>> previously.  additionally i have found that  there is a lot more
>>>>>>> interaction for simple tasks.  double the key strokes for the  
>>>>>>> same
>>>>>>> actions as in ms is just a minor peev.  i am quite worried that
>>>>>>> running two or possibly three systems may become overwhelming  
>>>>>>> when
>>>>>>> begining a graduate program.  i guess only time will tell.  has
>>>>>>> any
>>>>>>> one written code for a quick check of the time?
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Have good evening,
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Pete
>>>>>>> On Oct 21, 2009, at 11:51 AM, May McDonald wrote:
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>               
>>>>>>>> Hi all, I guess I'll jump in on this thread as well.  I haven't
>>>>>>>> had
>>>>>>>> my
>>>>>>>> mac for 2 months yet, but pretty close.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> I'm amazed that I was able to make the switch so easily to the
>>>>>>>> mac.
>>>>>>>> In fact, now whenever I have to use a windows machine I finder
>>>>>>>> it a
>>>>>>>> little harder to think of the windows commands because they
>>>>>>>> aren't
>>>>>>>> used by me all the time anymore, smile.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> I will be putting windows 7 on this mac but again it won't be
>>>>>>>> used
>>>>>>>> all
>>>>>>>> the time, only for scanning because I liked my scanning software
>>>>>>>> for
>>>>>>>> windows and to play games.  Other than that, it will be hidden
>>>>>>>> behind
>>>>>>>> mac.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> I'm glad I made the switch and now go back to the basics and
>>>>>>>> figure
>>>>>>>> out how sly and vo work, lol.
>>>>>>>> On 2009-10-21, at 8:41 AM, Donna Goodin wrote:
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>                 
>>>>>>>>> Wow, Nic, you are a determined soul! :)  I'm glad that after  
>>>>>>>>> all
>>>>>>>>> you
>>>>>>>>> had to go through with the install, the Mac turned out to suit
>>>>>>>>> your
>>>>>>>>> needs.
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> You people who have taken so readily to web-browsing on the  
>>>>>>>>> Mac,
>>>>>>>>> fascinate me.  I keep playing with it, hoping to come to the
>>>>>>>>> same
>>>>>>>>> conclusion, but it just doesn't happen.  For example, I am
>>>>>>>>> currently
>>>>>>>>> job-hunting, and the other night, received a job match from a
>>>>>>>>> site I
>>>>>>>>> am registered with.  When  Safari loaded the page and auto- 
>>>>>>>>> read,
>>>>>>>>> it
>>>>>>>>> read everything just as you would expect.  But then, I  
>>>>>>>>> decided I
>>>>>>>>> wanted to take a second look at the preferred qualifications. I
>>>>>>>>> couldn't find them to save my soul! I arrowed around, I
>>>>>>>>> interacted
>>>>>>>>> with stuff, and nothing.  So, I booted up my Pc, went into IE,
>>>>>>>>> and
>>>>>>>>> found what I was looking for in two seconds. And I still have  
>>>>>>>>> no
>>>>>>>>> clue
>>>>>>>>> what I should have done to locate that info in Safari.  I often
>>>>>>>>> feel
>>>>>>>>> like because of all the interacting and stuff, that viewing a
>>>>>>>>> webpage
>>>>>>>>> in Safari is like looking at it through tinted glass or
>>>>>>>>> through a
>>>>>>>>> veil
>>>>>>>>> that only lets you see the outline of what you're looking at.
>>>>>>>>> Links
>>>>>>>>> of course are no problem, it's the text content that is often
>>>>>>>>> very
>>>>>>>>> difficult to locate.
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> I highly recommend the iphone, I've found it to be a delightful
>>>>>>>>> little
>>>>>>>>> toy, um, I mean, device. *grin*
>>>>>>>>> Cheers,
>>>>>>>>> Donna
>>>>>>>>> On Oct 21, 2009, at 11:03 AM, Nicolai Svendsen wrote:
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>                   
>>>>>>>>>> Hi,
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> Definitely quite an interesting story.
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> I got my Mac on August 1. It was actually an odd experience. I
>>>>>>>>>> went
>>>>>>>>>> to
>>>>>>>>>> an Apple store a couple weeks prior to my purchase just to try
>>>>>>>>>> it
>>>>>>>>>> out.
>>>>>>>>>> I had attempted to use OS X 10.4, Tiger in the past at an
>>>>>>>>>> institute
>>>>>>>>>> for the blind, but I actually didn't like it. I thought it was
>>>>>>>>>> quite
>>>>>>>>>> literally a pile of crap.
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> I start listening to podcasts that sighted and blind users  
>>>>>>>>>> have
>>>>>>>>>> done
>>>>>>>>>> for the Macintosh, and figure I'll give it another shot. I
>>>>>>>>>> finally
>>>>>>>>>> decided to purchase a Mac, because I had frankly become
>>>>>>>>>> extremely
>>>>>>>>>> frustrated with Windows and most certainly Vista. XP has  
>>>>>>>>>> always
>>>>>>>>>> been
>>>>>>>>>> my favorite if I do have to use Windows. I'd become tired of
>>>>>>>>>> how
>>>>>>>>>> many
>>>>>>>>>> things you needed for Windows to work efficiently. Sometimes
>>>>>>>>>> you
>>>>>>>>>> had
>>>>>>>>>> to worry about corrupted files, leftovers from previously
>>>>>>>>>> installed
>>>>>>>>>> applications, that sort of thing not to mention the registry.
>>>>>>>>>> The
>>>>>>>>>> headache.
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> So I decided to take the plunge.
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> I read through the entire VoiceOver manual the day before I
>>>>>>>>>> went
>>>>>>>>>> back
>>>>>>>>>> to the store, and wrote down notes for the things I figured  
>>>>>>>>>> I'd
>>>>>>>>>> mostly
>>>>>>>>>> be using for a while. When I arrived at the store, I went to
>>>>>>>>>> try
>>>>>>>>>> it
>>>>>>>>>> out again to make sure a Mac would be what I desired. It
>>>>>>>>>> definitely
>>>>>>>>>> was. So much that, in fact, that even though they only had a
>>>>>>>>>> showroom
>>>>>>>>>> floor model at the time, I grabbed it. The cleaned it off
>>>>>>>>>> thoroughly,
>>>>>>>>>> wrapped it up and tossed the DVDs I'd need in the box. I was
>>>>>>>>>> happy.
>>>>>>>>>> So
>>>>>>>>>> very happy.
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> I arrive home, and I'm practically tingling with excitement. I
>>>>>>>>>> almost
>>>>>>>>>> rip the box apart (taking care of the DVDs of course), get out
>>>>>>>>>> my
>>>>>>>>>> shiny Macbook and hook it up.
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> Oh no!
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> What I did know was that I had to reinstall it, but I didn't
>>>>>>>>>> care. I
>>>>>>>>>> didn't want any of that junk on it they had installed to
>>>>>>>>>> advertise.
>>>>>>>>>> So
>>>>>>>>>> i went ahead. I rebooted it, held down the C-key when the
>>>>>>>>>> installation
>>>>>>>>>> DVD had been sucked into the Mac and I heard the startup  
>>>>>>>>>> sound.
>>>>>>>>>> It
>>>>>>>>>> displayed the finder and spat out the DVD. Literally. So I
>>>>>>>>>> decided
>>>>>>>>>> that apparently wasn't working for whatever reason. I located
>>>>>>>>>> the
>>>>>>>>>> installer DVD in the finder and open it. Authentication. God
>>>>>>>>>> dang
>>>>>>>>>> it!
>>>>>>>>>> Behold the password box. I was required to enter a password to
>>>>>>>>>> proceed. Of course, the Macbook had not been set to require a
>>>>>>>>>> password
>>>>>>>>>> at login.
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> I call them at the store, and ask them for a password. I told
>>>>>>>>>> them
>>>>>>>>>> the
>>>>>>>>>> C-key solution had not worked to boot from the DVD, and they
>>>>>>>>>> promptly
>>>>>>>>>> complied with my request. They gave me several passwords to
>>>>>>>>>> enter,
>>>>>>>>>> and
>>>>>>>>>> I did.
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> "The name or password you entered is incorrect."
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> I went back to the store, and they had a look at it. Most
>>>>>>>>>> annoying
>>>>>>>>>> of
>>>>>>>>>> all was that finally, the C-key actually seemed to work. I was
>>>>>>>>>> installing it when I got home. By this point, I was like a kid
>>>>>>>>>> on
>>>>>>>>>> his
>>>>>>>>>> birthday.
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> I thought I'd share my experience with all of you on the list.
>>>>>>>>>> Yes, I
>>>>>>>>>> am aware it's probably quite long-winded. But what can you
>>>>>>>>>> do? I
>>>>>>>>>> do
>>>>>>>>>> run Windows as a virtual machine, but only to MUD. I do
>>>>>>>>>> sometimes
>>>>>>>>>> find
>>>>>>>>>> it kind of annoying having to run two programs just to scan  
>>>>>>>>>> and
>>>>>>>>>> recognize the image. That is why I liked Omnipage, and there
>>>>>>>>>> has
>>>>>>>>>> to
>>>>>>>>>> be
>>>>>>>>>> a solution out there that does exactly the same.
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> As for my web browsing experience, everything is much more
>>>>>>>>>> smooth
>>>>>>>>>> and
>>>>>>>>>> responsive. I can easily find what I want by using the search
>>>>>>>>>> feature
>>>>>>>>>> in VoiceOver, and ever since Leopard was released the web  
>>>>>>>>>> rotor
>>>>>>>>>> makes
>>>>>>>>>> it even easier, not to mention Auto web spots. So yes, I do  
>>>>>>>>>> use
>>>>>>>>>> Windows. Rarely, but I do. And I'm definitely not ashamed to
>>>>>>>>>> admit
>>>>>>>>>> it.
>>>>>>>>>> But if a MUD client was accessible to VoiceOver, I would not
>>>>>>>>>> touch
>>>>>>>>>> it
>>>>>>>>>> again. I've found my experience with Mac has not only been
>>>>>>>>>> productive,
>>>>>>>>>> but fun and enjoyable where as with Windows, I wanted to throw
>>>>>>>>>> the
>>>>>>>>>> machine through the window half the time I was using it due to
>>>>>>>>>> freezes, driver errors and so-forth.
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> Well, I think I'm done now. I want an iPhone, now that you
>>>>>>>>>> mention
>>>>>>>>>> it,
>>>>>>>>>> but at the same time you don't always need to have the latest
>>>>>>>>>> and
>>>>>>>>>> greatest. And I need to realize that. :P. Yes, I loved the
>>>>>>>>>> iPhone
>>>>>>>>>> and
>>>>>>>>>> I'm used to the gestures since I use my trackpad quite a lot,
>>>>>>>>>> but
>>>>>>>>>> at
>>>>>>>>>> the same time, I need a phone for text messaging and phone
>>>>>>>>>> calls.
>>>>>>>>>> That
>>>>>>>>>> is about it. It'll probably be faster to accomplish those  
>>>>>>>>>> tasks
>>>>>>>>>> with
>>>>>>>>>> the iPhone, I have no doubt about it. Maybe one day I'll even
>>>>>>>>>> get
>>>>>>>>>> one.
>>>>>>>>>> But when I find a really good reason except for all the apps
>>>>>>>>>> you
>>>>>>>>>> can
>>>>>>>>>> seemingly install with no issues, perfectly usable, then I
>>>>>>>>>> won't
>>>>>>>>>> buy
>>>>>>>>>> one. Besides, who wants to pay $99.95 for an iPhone plan in
>>>>>>>>>> Denmark?
>>>>>>>>>> Not me.
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> Have a great afternoon, folks. I at least know those living in
>>>>>>>>>> the
>>>>>>>>>> Eastern timezone are approaching lunch time. :)
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> Regards,
>>>>>>>>>> Nic
>>>>>>>>>> Skype: Kvalme
>>>>>>>>>> MSN Messenger: nico...@home3.gvdnet.dk
>>>>>>>>>> AIM: cincinster
>>>>>>>>>> yahoo Messenger: cin368
>>>>>>>>>> Facebook Profile
>>>>>>>>>> My Twitter
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> On Oct 21, 2009, at 4:17 PM, Donna Goodin wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>                     
>>>>>>>>>>> Hi all,
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> I Thought I'd weigh in here, since I got my Mac around the
>>>>>>>>>>> same
>>>>>>>>>>> time
>>>>>>>>>>> almost, I'm going on three months now.
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> I agree with Anouk, and would add that I often find it's
>>>>>>>>>>> easier
>>>>>>>>>>> to
>>>>>>>>>>> use my PC for work-related tasks.  As I mentioned earlier, I
>>>>>>>>>>> use
>>>>>>>>>>> the
>>>>>>>>>>> ap Blackboard, which I have to use Windows for, as Safari
>>>>>>>>>>> isn't
>>>>>>>>>>> currently supported.. Since I'm logged into Blackboard most
>>>>>>>>>>> days,
>>>>>>>>>>> that
>>>>>>>>>>> sort of automatically means I'm using my PC, and the Mac gets
>>>>>>>>>>> relegated to after-hours.
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> I also still strongly prefer web-browsing on my PC.  I've had
>>>>>>>>>>> so
>>>>>>>>>>> many
>>>>>>>>>>> experiences where on the Mac I simply cannot locate an item
>>>>>>>>>>> that I
>>>>>>>>>>> know is on a certain page.  This never happens to me on the
>>>>>>>>>>> PC. I
>>>>>>>>>>> find
>>>>>>>>>>> that when browsing, I can do things in half the time on my  
>>>>>>>>>>> PC,
>>>>>>>>>>> and
>>>>>>>>>>> sometimes on the Mac, even after spending the extra time, I
>>>>>>>>>>> don't
>>>>>>>>>>> find
>>>>>>>>>>> what I'm looking for, and end up going back to the PC anyway.
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> I'm an avid reader, and so do a lot of scanning. I really
>>>>>>>>>>> don't
>>>>>>>>>>> like
>>>>>>>>>>> the idea of having to use two separate programs, one for
>>>>>>>>>>> scanning
>>>>>>>>>>> and
>>>>>>>>>>> one for the OCR, especially when I have one program on my PC
>>>>>>>>>>> that
>>>>>>>>>>> will
>>>>>>>>>>> do both jobs quite nicely.  This of course isn't an Apple
>>>>>>>>>>> issue,
>>>>>>>>>>> but I
>>>>>>>>>>> do think that for many of us who are blind, the lack of a  
>>>>>>>>>>> good
>>>>>>>>>>> solid
>>>>>>>>>>> scanning/ocr option, is a real obstacle in terms of seeing  
>>>>>>>>>>> the
>>>>>>>>>>> Mac
>>>>>>>>>>> as
>>>>>>>>>>> a PC replacement.
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> Like Anouk, I've also pretty much decided to keep both a Mac
>>>>>>>>>>> and a
>>>>>>>>>>> PC.  at least for now, though I confess I'm tempted some days
>>>>>>>>>>> to
>>>>>>>>>>> just
>>>>>>>>>>> go back to my PC, in the interest of running just one OS on
>>>>>>>>>>> one
>>>>>>>>>>> computer.  When I got my Mac, I had hoped not to upgrade to
>>>>>>>>>>> JAWS
>>>>>>>>>>> 11
>>>>>>>>>>> and Windows 7, but it looks like I'll be getting both. I use
>>>>>>>>>>> my
>>>>>>>>>>> PC
>>>>>>>>>>> for
>>>>>>>>>>> work, for scanning, and for most of my web browsing, which is
>>>>>>>>>>> 90%
>>>>>>>>>>> of
>>>>>>>>>>> what I do.  I like the Mac a lot.  I like that VO is built
>>>>>>>>>>> in, I
>>>>>>>>>>> like
>>>>>>>>>>> the speed and responsiveness of the Mac, I like the fact that
>>>>>>>>>>> it
>>>>>>>>>>> doesn't take a year to boot or load an ap, and I like working
>>>>>>>>>>> with
>>>>>>>>>>> Itunes (I'm still running 8.2.), and I think the Mac seems to
>>>>>>>>>>> be
>>>>>>>>>>> far
>>>>>>>>>>> superior in how it works with Media. But the PC is what I go
>>>>>>>>>>> to
>>>>>>>>>>> for
>>>>>>>>>>> the things I really need to get done. I think for me, my
>>>>>>>>>>> experience
>>>>>>>>>>> with the Mac reflects my experience with the iphone.  When I
>>>>>>>>>>> compare
>>>>>>>>>>> my iphone with my old Windows Mobile phone, the iphone is  
>>>>>>>>>>> much
>>>>>>>>>>> more
>>>>>>>>>>> fun! I love the aps, the games, the ability to quickly do
>>>>>>>>>>> things
>>>>>>>>>>> like
>>>>>>>>>>> check weather, whereas my WM phone was loaded with all kinds
>>>>>>>>>>> of
>>>>>>>>>>> practical stuff for editing documents spreadsheets,
>>>>>>>>>>> powerpoint,
>>>>>>>>>>> and
>>>>>>>>>>> so
>>>>>>>>>>> on.  I don't want to do any of that stuff on my phone, so for
>>>>>>>>>>> me,
>>>>>>>>>>> the
>>>>>>>>>>> iphone is by far the better fit.  but when it comes to a
>>>>>>>>>>> computer,
>>>>>>>>>>> it
>>>>>>>>>>> cuts the other way, and I find myself favoring the PC which
>>>>>>>>>>> seems
>>>>>>>>>>> to
>>>>>>>>>>> lend itself more to the day-to-day things I need to get done.
>>>>>>>>>>> Best,
>>>>>>>>>>> Donna
>>>>>>>>>>> On Oct 21, 2009, at 5:05 AM, Nicolai Svendsen wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>                       
>>>>>>>>>>>> Hi again folks,
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> Yes, broadcasts can certainly be done. Nicecast from Rogue
>>>>>>>>>>>> Amoeba
>>>>>>>>>>>> http://rogueamoeba.com
>>>>>>>>>>>> works extremely well. The only issue seems to be the effects
>>>>>>>>>>>> scroll
>>>>>>>>>>>> area, but I hope they'll be working on that. Otherwise, it
>>>>>>>>>>>> works
>>>>>>>>>>>> ridiculously well, in fact, and I have nothing to complain
>>>>>>>>>>>> about.
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> I'm not exactly sure about your Thumbkey thing. I don't get
>>>>>>>>>>>> it.
>>>>>>>>>>>> If
>>>>>>>>>>>> you
>>>>>>>>>>>> can elaborate? Maybe I'm being dense here. :).
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> As for VLC, I've never actually tried it out, and I
>>>>>>>>>>>> personally
>>>>>>>>>>>> love
>>>>>>>>>>>> using Safari for web browsing. For me,  everything is much
>>>>>>>>>>>> faster.
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> Also, which braille display are you using?
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> Regards,
>>>>>>>>>>>> Nic
>>>>>>>>>>>> Skype: Kvalme
>>>>>>>>>>>> MSN Messenger: nico...@home3.gvdnet.dk
>>>>>>>>>>>> AIM: cincinster
>>>>>>>>>>>> yahoo Messenger: cin368
>>>>>>>>>>>> Facebook Profile
>>>>>>>>>>>> My Twitter
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> On Oct 21, 2009, at 10:22 AM, Tony Bernedal wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>                         
>>>>>>>>>>>>> Hi again.
>>>>>>>>>>>>> Wow. Echomac, never heard of it but when I google it I  
>>>>>>>>>>>>> found
>>>>>>>>>>>>> http://echomac.sourceforge.net/
>>>>>>>>>>>>> I'll try it when I'm back home from work.
>>>>>>>>>>>>> Anouk, I had a fire dtv reciever and used it with dvb  
>>>>>>>>>>>>> viewer
>>>>>>>>>>>>> on
>>>>>>>>>>>>> windows and Eye tv have driver for it so I gave it a try  
>>>>>>>>>>>>> but
>>>>>>>>>>>>> it
>>>>>>>>>>>>> doesn't work as I want at the moment.
>>>>>>>>>>>>> I have readiris on the disk and I'm going to try it out and
>>>>>>>>>>>>> see
>>>>>>>>>>>>> how
>>>>>>>>>>>>> it
>>>>>>>>>>>>> works with swedish language and so on.
>>>>>>>>>>>>> I have heard of some broadcast tools for mac but at the
>>>>>>>>>>>>> moment I
>>>>>>>>>>>>> haven't looked in to it. I don't broadcast at the moment so
>>>>>>>>>>>>> it
>>>>>>>>>>>>> doesn't
>>>>>>>>>>>>> have so high priority. I still have my studio pc sitting
>>>>>>>>>>>>> under
>>>>>>>>>>>>> the
>>>>>>>>>>>>> desk so I can use stationplaylist and all the broadcast
>>>>>>>>>>>>> stuff
>>>>>>>>>>>>> if I
>>>>>>>>>>>>> want to.
>>>>>>>>>>>>> Regards Tony
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>> 2009/10/21, a radix <anou...@home.nl>:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>                           
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Hey Tony, Nice to hear from you! (the world is a small
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> place)
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Funny
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> we
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> started our mac journey at the seem time. I am curious,  
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> can
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> you
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> broadcast on
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> the mac? I guess otsjuke wont work and obiously shoutcast
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> wont
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> either. I was
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> thinking of running windows with vmware but now I am just
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> thinking
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> to ask my
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> brother to help me install windows 7 via bootcamp instead.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Has
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> anyone got
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> experience with installing windows via bootcamp as dual
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> boot?
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Is
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> it
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> diffucult? I presume the drivers for windows 7 for the
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> macbook
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> pro
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> will be
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> available from apple? I still want to try vuescan an
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> dreadiris,
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> in
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> fact i
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> have the programs on my computer bu tI want to wait till  
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> hp
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> releases the
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> drivers for my scanner that are native to sl, also I hope
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> by
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> that
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> time abbyy
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> will have released a demo of finereader for the mac that  
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> is
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> native
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> to sl. I
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> am just concerned that either adf wont work, scanning iwll
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> be
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> very
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> slow or
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> dutch character recognition wont be as good as omnipage.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> I am surprised that you also have the thumbkey problem, i
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> thought
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> it was
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> something stupid on my part, corrupt install whatever. I
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> guess
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> we
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> will both
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> have to mail apple accessibility about this.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> So, you are using a tv tuner with your mac? This is the
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> next
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> thing
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> i want to
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> taccle since now I have an analog tv standing on my desk
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> and
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> it
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> is
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> taking up
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> space that I could use otherwise. I did have digital tv in
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> the
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> past
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> bu tI
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> had a lot of trouble with it and in the end just went back
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> to
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> analog. There
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> are not that many tuners for the mac I think (analog or
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> otherwise)
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> and I
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> guess even less that are available in Europe. Which do you
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> use? I
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> guess as
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> long as I get one with a remote things will be ok (if it
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> indeed
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> can
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> find the
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> channels).
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> I too LOVE the sleep features of the mac, i never turn  
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> mine
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> off,
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> just close
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> the lid and thats it.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Greetings, Anouk,
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> ----- Original Message -----
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> From: "Tony Bernedal" <t...@bernedal.net>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> To: <macvisionaries@googlegroups.com>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Sent: Wednesday, October 21, 2009 9:16 AM
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Subject: Re: my 2 months with a mac
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>                             
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Hi Anouk.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> I have also used my mac for around 3 months now, and like
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> you I
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> still
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> use windows for a couple of things. I trying to get the
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> scanning
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> and
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> ocr to work on the mac but for now windows and omnipage
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> have
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> to
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> do
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> the
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> jobb. I had a license for windows xp lying on the shelf
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> from a
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> no
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> longer working laptop and I installed xp with vmware as a
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> virtual
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> machine and doing my scanning there and it works good but
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> the
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> virtual
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> machine is very slow. I also use windows for Echolink,
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> wich
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> is a
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> ham-radio software wich don't exist on the mac. Also the
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> software
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> to
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> setup and program my hamradio stations is only windows
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> programs.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> I'm
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> very happy mac user now and after some updates to snow
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> leopard
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> my
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> problems with it is gone.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> I hope the issue with the thumbkey on your display can be
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> solved. I
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> have same issue with alva satelite.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> I also have a battle with EyeTV software wich for some  
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> odd
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> reason
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> doesn't find my tv channels on the cable network. And it
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> is
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> also
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> very
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> tricky to use with VO. I use VLC for webradio and movies
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> and
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> it
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> works
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> great (vlc version 1.x doesn't work under windows and
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> linux
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> at
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> all
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> with screenreader, only on mac, great!).
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> And I also like the speed, starting my windows pc here at
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> works
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> take
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> forever and the mac is at the desktop in almost 0 time.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> And,
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> the
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> sleep
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> works well too.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> So I'm happy with my mac system.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Good luck with your mac!
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Regards Tony
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> 2009/10/21, a radix <anou...@home.nl>:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>                               
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Hello, I have been using my mac for about 2 months now
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> especially
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> at
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> school
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> although at home I still often use my pc and I will
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> explain
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> below
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> why. In
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> general my experiences with the mac have been very
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> positive
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> especially
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> after
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> installing snow leopard. I can use skype and msn just as
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> well
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> as
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> on my
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> pc.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> And after I dumped itunes and started using vlc instead
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> watching
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> movies
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> and
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> listening to music became a breeze. I recently bought
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> apples
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> office suite
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> because I prefer that over using textedit or the free
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> text
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> editors/office
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> suits that are available. I am also intending to go and
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> use
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> garage band
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> in
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> the future if I can get that working with my yamaha
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> keyboard. I
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> like the
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> built-in speakers and sound quality alhtough listening
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> through
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> its sound
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> output with my own in ear monitors is nothing special. I
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> still
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> find using
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> the internet on the mac a bit mor ework then i did while
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> using
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> my
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> pc and
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> it
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> goes a bit slower also when reading docucments i notice
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> that I
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> cannot
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> endlessly use the right thumb key on my braille display
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> to
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> continue
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> reading,
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> eventually i have to press the right arrow on my normal
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> keyboard
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> if I
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> want
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> to read onm. This does become irritating after a while  
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> if
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> you
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> need to
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> read
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> long documents.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> At home I still mostly use my windows pc although i now
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> have
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> gotten mail
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> working on the mac as well because 1. I use omnipage pro
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> 16
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> under
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> windows
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> to
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> scan my books for school, while I know that there are
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> some
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> scanning
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> solutions for the mac that i will probbably try once the
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> hp
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> drivers for
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> sl
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> have been released I just dont know if they will be as
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> good
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> and
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> easy as
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> using omnipage pro 16 and am a bit hesistant to try it
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> because
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> of
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> that (I
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> really really hope that a full version of finereader  
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> will
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> eventually be
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> released for the mac since I have heard it can rival
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> omnipage
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> pro).
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Secondly there is filesharing, i will be brief. Ftp does
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> work
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> on
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> the mac
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> with transmit which I rather like although I have not
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> registered
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> it yet,
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> questions i asked its support team went unanswered.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Usenet
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> also
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> works but
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> udner windows I preferred to use other programs which  
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> are
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> not
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> available
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> on
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> the mac.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> The third point is playing games which I do a lot on the
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> pec
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> especially
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> interactive fiction and muds. There is an interpreter  
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> for
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> interactive
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> fiction called zoom which I tried and although I can  
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> open
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> games
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> with it
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> saved games were a problem for me since I could not
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> open a
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> saved
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> game
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> file
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> (made in frotz).
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> For muds the situation on the mac is not so good, I play
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> them
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> all
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> the
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> time
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> on windows but there is only one mudclient that I know  
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> of
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> which
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> works
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> under
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> sl and which is still being developed, jamochamud which
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> works
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> under java.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> It
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> is not too accessible at the moment but the programmer
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> has
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> promised to
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> look
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> at it, still it does not offer all the features even  
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> then
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> that I
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> am used
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> to
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> on a windows client.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> As soon as windows 7 becomes officially available I am
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> planning
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> to
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> install
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> it on my mac (probbably via bootcamp) so that I at least
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> can
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> use
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> my mac
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> all
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> the time even if I need to use windows, hopefully for  
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> the
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> scanning and
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> downloading tasks I will in the future be able to use  
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> the
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> mac
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> and
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> I have
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> hopes for muds as well but for now at least my mac is
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> mostly
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> used
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> at
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> school
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> and in the library.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Greetings, Anouk,
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>                                 
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>                             
>>>>>>>>>>>>                         
>>>>>>>>>>>                       
>>>>>>>>>>                     
>>>>>>>>>                   
>>>>>>>>                 
>>>>>>>               
>>>>>>             
>>>>>           
>>>>         
>>>       
>>     
>
>
> >
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