I'm running Vista. Donna Goodin wrote: > Hi Nic, > > I think you're dead on. At least for me, my work environment has had > a very definite impact on my experience with my Mac. > > I think I'm also lucky. I never switched to Windows Vista, thank God! > I'm still running XP, which I think makes my Windows life a lot easier! > Take care, > Donna > On Oct 22, 2009, at 2:54 AM, Nicolai Svendsen wrote: > > >> Hi, >> >> I think one of the biggest issues that are represented here is work. >> Depending on what you're doing, the company you work for might require >> that you work with their systems, most likely Windows or Linux. I've >> encountered companies in my country that use Mac OS X, but not many, >> which definitely does get confusing. I would suppose that, if you work >> more than you have time to play with your Mac, the PC immediately >> takes priority for obvious reasons and it'll take you longer to get >> used to it. >> >> I study computer science, and on occasion I actually have to struggle >> with Windows commands. I find Windows so sluggish and unresponsive now >> compared to the Mac, and that's not an attempt to slam it, because I'm >> sure it has its advantages for some people, it's just not snappy and >> stable enough for what I need it to do.. Granted, I mostly do use my >> Mac for things such as browsing the web, editing, reading mail and so- >> forth, but what frustrated me with Windows was the crashes. That is >> one thing I don't miss. Otherwise, Windows is definitely a good >> system. For me, it just wasn't good enough, so to speak, and it >> frustrated the heck out of me sometimes. Sometimes I was happy with >> it, to be fair. But I also think one superiority the Mac has over the >> Windows operating system is the integrated screen access software. If >> you update your display drivers, you don't need to spend time >> reinstalling and installing applications to discover it didn't work, >> then install the latest version of an application such as JAWS to >> finally make it understand that you actually want Video Intercept >> installed for the thousandth time, then downgrade if you don't like >> JAWS 11. If you're me, you don't like JAWS 11, but that's another >> story entirely. But that's another thing that made me all too willing >> to switch, with no regrets. Yeah, I wish someone would put together a >> MUD client that actually had VoiceOver support, or at least utilize >> the text to speech features that use the built-in voices without >> VoiceOver. That'd at least be a start. >> >> Otherwise, I don't use Windows at all except to comply with those >> people who still send me executables on CDs. Or to play MUDs. You can >> do exactly the same things on the Mac as you can on Windows, the only >> problem every switcher probably has is the fact that they don't know >> which applications to look for to accomplish said task. I've had my >> Mac since August 1 as I said earlier, and I certainly don't know all >> the substitutes for Windows programs yet. That having been said, I >> only use Windows for the tasks written above. >> >> Thought I'd share my views once again, and I'll probably be writing >> more. >> >> Regards, >> Nic >> Skype: Kvalme >> MSN Messenger: nico...@home3.gvdnet.dk >> AIM: cincinster >> yahoo Messenger: cin368 >> Facebook Profile >> My Twitter >> >> On Oct 22, 2009, at 5:44 AM, May McDonald wrote: >> >> >>> Smile, thank you very much. >>> On 2009-10-21, at 8:41 PM, Ryan Mann wrote: >>> >>> >>>> You can see the commands that are set up by default by doing the >>>> following: >>>> 1. Open VoiceOver utility. >>>> 2. Interact with the Utility categories table and vo+downarrow to >>>> the >>>> commands category, then stop interacting. >>>> 3. Select the Keyboard tab. >>>> 4. Vo+rightarrow and you should hear a checkbox to enable keyboard >>>> commander. Check that box. >>>> 5. Vo+rightarrow again and you should hear "keyboard commander >>>> table." Interact with that table. After you interact with that >>>> table, you should be able to use the usual VoiceOver navigation >>>> commands to hear what commands are set. >>>> n Oct 21, 2009, at 10:50 PM, May McDonald wrote: >>>> >>>> >>>>> Hmm, that's really good to know. Is there a place where I can find >>>>> other commands the apple script has? I guess I'll go check that >>>>> option now. >>>>> On 2009-10-21, at 7:27 PM, Ryan Mann wrote: >>>>> >>>>> >>>>>> Hello. If you're running Snow Leopard and you have Voiceover set >>>>>> to >>>>>> allow it to be controled by Apple Script, you can hit option+t to >>>>>> check the time. >>>>>> >>>>>> On Oct 21, 2009, at 8:16 PM, peter apgar wrote: >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>>> well said all, >>>>>>> >>>>>>> there are several cool factors for the mac os. one of which is >>>>>>> the >>>>>>> fact that we don't have to pay extra for the accessibility. >>>>>>> however >>>>>>> the largest down fall is the majority of work places do not >>>>>>> support >>>>>>> OSX. for this reason alone i only have limited time to explore >>>>>>> its >>>>>>> virtues. i will second the same issues that Donna posted >>>>>>> previously. additionally i have found that there is a lot more >>>>>>> interaction for simple tasks. double the key strokes for the >>>>>>> same >>>>>>> actions as in ms is just a minor peev. i am quite worried that >>>>>>> running two or possibly three systems may become overwhelming >>>>>>> when >>>>>>> begining a graduate program. i guess only time will tell. has >>>>>>> any >>>>>>> one written code for a quick check of the time? >>>>>>> >>>>>>> Have good evening, >>>>>>> >>>>>>> Pete >>>>>>> On Oct 21, 2009, at 11:51 AM, May McDonald wrote: >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>>> Hi all, I guess I'll jump in on this thread as well. I haven't >>>>>>>> had >>>>>>>> my >>>>>>>> mac for 2 months yet, but pretty close. >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> I'm amazed that I was able to make the switch so easily to the >>>>>>>> mac. >>>>>>>> In fact, now whenever I have to use a windows machine I finder >>>>>>>> it a >>>>>>>> little harder to think of the windows commands because they >>>>>>>> aren't >>>>>>>> used by me all the time anymore, smile. >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> I will be putting windows 7 on this mac but again it won't be >>>>>>>> used >>>>>>>> all >>>>>>>> the time, only for scanning because I liked my scanning software >>>>>>>> for >>>>>>>> windows and to play games. Other than that, it will be hidden >>>>>>>> behind >>>>>>>> mac. >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> I'm glad I made the switch and now go back to the basics and >>>>>>>> figure >>>>>>>> out how sly and vo work, lol. >>>>>>>> On 2009-10-21, at 8:41 AM, Donna Goodin wrote: >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> Wow, Nic, you are a determined soul! :) I'm glad that after >>>>>>>>> all >>>>>>>>> you >>>>>>>>> had to go through with the install, the Mac turned out to suit >>>>>>>>> your >>>>>>>>> needs. >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> You people who have taken so readily to web-browsing on the >>>>>>>>> Mac, >>>>>>>>> fascinate me. I keep playing with it, hoping to come to the >>>>>>>>> same >>>>>>>>> conclusion, but it just doesn't happen. For example, I am >>>>>>>>> currently >>>>>>>>> job-hunting, and the other night, received a job match from a >>>>>>>>> site I >>>>>>>>> am registered with. When Safari loaded the page and auto- >>>>>>>>> read, >>>>>>>>> it >>>>>>>>> read everything just as you would expect. But then, I >>>>>>>>> decided I >>>>>>>>> wanted to take a second look at the preferred qualifications. I >>>>>>>>> couldn't find them to save my soul! I arrowed around, I >>>>>>>>> interacted >>>>>>>>> with stuff, and nothing. So, I booted up my Pc, went into IE, >>>>>>>>> and >>>>>>>>> found what I was looking for in two seconds. And I still have >>>>>>>>> no >>>>>>>>> clue >>>>>>>>> what I should have done to locate that info in Safari. I often >>>>>>>>> feel >>>>>>>>> like because of all the interacting and stuff, that viewing a >>>>>>>>> webpage >>>>>>>>> in Safari is like looking at it through tinted glass or >>>>>>>>> through a >>>>>>>>> veil >>>>>>>>> that only lets you see the outline of what you're looking at. >>>>>>>>> Links >>>>>>>>> of course are no problem, it's the text content that is often >>>>>>>>> very >>>>>>>>> difficult to locate. >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> I highly recommend the iphone, I've found it to be a delightful >>>>>>>>> little >>>>>>>>> toy, um, I mean, device. *grin* >>>>>>>>> Cheers, >>>>>>>>> Donna >>>>>>>>> On Oct 21, 2009, at 11:03 AM, Nicolai Svendsen wrote: >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> Hi, >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> Definitely quite an interesting story. >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> I got my Mac on August 1. It was actually an odd experience. I >>>>>>>>>> went >>>>>>>>>> to >>>>>>>>>> an Apple store a couple weeks prior to my purchase just to try >>>>>>>>>> it >>>>>>>>>> out. >>>>>>>>>> I had attempted to use OS X 10.4, Tiger in the past at an >>>>>>>>>> institute >>>>>>>>>> for the blind, but I actually didn't like it. I thought it was >>>>>>>>>> quite >>>>>>>>>> literally a pile of crap. >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> I start listening to podcasts that sighted and blind users >>>>>>>>>> have >>>>>>>>>> done >>>>>>>>>> for the Macintosh, and figure I'll give it another shot. I >>>>>>>>>> finally >>>>>>>>>> decided to purchase a Mac, because I had frankly become >>>>>>>>>> extremely >>>>>>>>>> frustrated with Windows and most certainly Vista. XP has >>>>>>>>>> always >>>>>>>>>> been >>>>>>>>>> my favorite if I do have to use Windows. I'd become tired of >>>>>>>>>> how >>>>>>>>>> many >>>>>>>>>> things you needed for Windows to work efficiently. Sometimes >>>>>>>>>> you >>>>>>>>>> had >>>>>>>>>> to worry about corrupted files, leftovers from previously >>>>>>>>>> installed >>>>>>>>>> applications, that sort of thing not to mention the registry. >>>>>>>>>> The >>>>>>>>>> headache. >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> So I decided to take the plunge. >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> I read through the entire VoiceOver manual the day before I >>>>>>>>>> went >>>>>>>>>> back >>>>>>>>>> to the store, and wrote down notes for the things I figured >>>>>>>>>> I'd >>>>>>>>>> mostly >>>>>>>>>> be using for a while. When I arrived at the store, I went to >>>>>>>>>> try >>>>>>>>>> it >>>>>>>>>> out again to make sure a Mac would be what I desired. It >>>>>>>>>> definitely >>>>>>>>>> was. So much that, in fact, that even though they only had a >>>>>>>>>> showroom >>>>>>>>>> floor model at the time, I grabbed it. The cleaned it off >>>>>>>>>> thoroughly, >>>>>>>>>> wrapped it up and tossed the DVDs I'd need in the box. I was >>>>>>>>>> happy. >>>>>>>>>> So >>>>>>>>>> very happy. >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> I arrive home, and I'm practically tingling with excitement. I >>>>>>>>>> almost >>>>>>>>>> rip the box apart (taking care of the DVDs of course), get out >>>>>>>>>> my >>>>>>>>>> shiny Macbook and hook it up. >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> Oh no! >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> What I did know was that I had to reinstall it, but I didn't >>>>>>>>>> care. I >>>>>>>>>> didn't want any of that junk on it they had installed to >>>>>>>>>> advertise. >>>>>>>>>> So >>>>>>>>>> i went ahead. I rebooted it, held down the C-key when the >>>>>>>>>> installation >>>>>>>>>> DVD had been sucked into the Mac and I heard the startup >>>>>>>>>> sound. >>>>>>>>>> It >>>>>>>>>> displayed the finder and spat out the DVD. Literally. So I >>>>>>>>>> decided >>>>>>>>>> that apparently wasn't working for whatever reason. I located >>>>>>>>>> the >>>>>>>>>> installer DVD in the finder and open it. Authentication. God >>>>>>>>>> dang >>>>>>>>>> it! >>>>>>>>>> Behold the password box. I was required to enter a password to >>>>>>>>>> proceed. Of course, the Macbook had not been set to require a >>>>>>>>>> password >>>>>>>>>> at login. >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> I call them at the store, and ask them for a password. I told >>>>>>>>>> them >>>>>>>>>> the >>>>>>>>>> C-key solution had not worked to boot from the DVD, and they >>>>>>>>>> promptly >>>>>>>>>> complied with my request. They gave me several passwords to >>>>>>>>>> enter, >>>>>>>>>> and >>>>>>>>>> I did. >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> "The name or password you entered is incorrect." >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> I went back to the store, and they had a look at it. Most >>>>>>>>>> annoying >>>>>>>>>> of >>>>>>>>>> all was that finally, the C-key actually seemed to work. I was >>>>>>>>>> installing it when I got home. By this point, I was like a kid >>>>>>>>>> on >>>>>>>>>> his >>>>>>>>>> birthday. >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> I thought I'd share my experience with all of you on the list. >>>>>>>>>> Yes, I >>>>>>>>>> am aware it's probably quite long-winded. But what can you >>>>>>>>>> do? I >>>>>>>>>> do >>>>>>>>>> run Windows as a virtual machine, but only to MUD. I do >>>>>>>>>> sometimes >>>>>>>>>> find >>>>>>>>>> it kind of annoying having to run two programs just to scan >>>>>>>>>> and >>>>>>>>>> recognize the image. That is why I liked Omnipage, and there >>>>>>>>>> has >>>>>>>>>> to >>>>>>>>>> be >>>>>>>>>> a solution out there that does exactly the same. >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> As for my web browsing experience, everything is much more >>>>>>>>>> smooth >>>>>>>>>> and >>>>>>>>>> responsive. I can easily find what I want by using the search >>>>>>>>>> feature >>>>>>>>>> in VoiceOver, and ever since Leopard was released the web >>>>>>>>>> rotor >>>>>>>>>> makes >>>>>>>>>> it even easier, not to mention Auto web spots. So yes, I do >>>>>>>>>> use >>>>>>>>>> Windows. Rarely, but I do. And I'm definitely not ashamed to >>>>>>>>>> admit >>>>>>>>>> it. >>>>>>>>>> But if a MUD client was accessible to VoiceOver, I would not >>>>>>>>>> touch >>>>>>>>>> it >>>>>>>>>> again. I've found my experience with Mac has not only been >>>>>>>>>> productive, >>>>>>>>>> but fun and enjoyable where as with Windows, I wanted to throw >>>>>>>>>> the >>>>>>>>>> machine through the window half the time I was using it due to >>>>>>>>>> freezes, driver errors and so-forth. >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> Well, I think I'm done now. I want an iPhone, now that you >>>>>>>>>> mention >>>>>>>>>> it, >>>>>>>>>> but at the same time you don't always need to have the latest >>>>>>>>>> and >>>>>>>>>> greatest. And I need to realize that. :P. Yes, I loved the >>>>>>>>>> iPhone >>>>>>>>>> and >>>>>>>>>> I'm used to the gestures since I use my trackpad quite a lot, >>>>>>>>>> but >>>>>>>>>> at >>>>>>>>>> the same time, I need a phone for text messaging and phone >>>>>>>>>> calls. >>>>>>>>>> That >>>>>>>>>> is about it. It'll probably be faster to accomplish those >>>>>>>>>> tasks >>>>>>>>>> with >>>>>>>>>> the iPhone, I have no doubt about it. Maybe one day I'll even >>>>>>>>>> get >>>>>>>>>> one. >>>>>>>>>> But when I find a really good reason except for all the apps >>>>>>>>>> you >>>>>>>>>> can >>>>>>>>>> seemingly install with no issues, perfectly usable, then I >>>>>>>>>> won't >>>>>>>>>> buy >>>>>>>>>> one. Besides, who wants to pay $99.95 for an iPhone plan in >>>>>>>>>> Denmark? >>>>>>>>>> Not me. >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> Have a great afternoon, folks. I at least know those living in >>>>>>>>>> the >>>>>>>>>> Eastern timezone are approaching lunch time. :) >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> Regards, >>>>>>>>>> Nic >>>>>>>>>> Skype: Kvalme >>>>>>>>>> MSN Messenger: nico...@home3.gvdnet.dk >>>>>>>>>> AIM: cincinster >>>>>>>>>> yahoo Messenger: cin368 >>>>>>>>>> Facebook Profile >>>>>>>>>> My Twitter >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> On Oct 21, 2009, at 4:17 PM, Donna Goodin wrote: >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> Hi all, >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> I Thought I'd weigh in here, since I got my Mac around the >>>>>>>>>>> same >>>>>>>>>>> time >>>>>>>>>>> almost, I'm going on three months now. >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> I agree with Anouk, and would add that I often find it's >>>>>>>>>>> easier >>>>>>>>>>> to >>>>>>>>>>> use my PC for work-related tasks. As I mentioned earlier, I >>>>>>>>>>> use >>>>>>>>>>> the >>>>>>>>>>> ap Blackboard, which I have to use Windows for, as Safari >>>>>>>>>>> isn't >>>>>>>>>>> currently supported.. Since I'm logged into Blackboard most >>>>>>>>>>> days, >>>>>>>>>>> that >>>>>>>>>>> sort of automatically means I'm using my PC, and the Mac gets >>>>>>>>>>> relegated to after-hours. >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> I also still strongly prefer web-browsing on my PC. I've had >>>>>>>>>>> so >>>>>>>>>>> many >>>>>>>>>>> experiences where on the Mac I simply cannot locate an item >>>>>>>>>>> that I >>>>>>>>>>> know is on a certain page. This never happens to me on the >>>>>>>>>>> PC. I >>>>>>>>>>> find >>>>>>>>>>> that when browsing, I can do things in half the time on my >>>>>>>>>>> PC, >>>>>>>>>>> and >>>>>>>>>>> sometimes on the Mac, even after spending the extra time, I >>>>>>>>>>> don't >>>>>>>>>>> find >>>>>>>>>>> what I'm looking for, and end up going back to the PC anyway. >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> I'm an avid reader, and so do a lot of scanning. I really >>>>>>>>>>> don't >>>>>>>>>>> like >>>>>>>>>>> the idea of having to use two separate programs, one for >>>>>>>>>>> scanning >>>>>>>>>>> and >>>>>>>>>>> one for the OCR, especially when I have one program on my PC >>>>>>>>>>> that >>>>>>>>>>> will >>>>>>>>>>> do both jobs quite nicely. This of course isn't an Apple >>>>>>>>>>> issue, >>>>>>>>>>> but I >>>>>>>>>>> do think that for many of us who are blind, the lack of a >>>>>>>>>>> good >>>>>>>>>>> solid >>>>>>>>>>> scanning/ocr option, is a real obstacle in terms of seeing >>>>>>>>>>> the >>>>>>>>>>> Mac >>>>>>>>>>> as >>>>>>>>>>> a PC replacement. >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> Like Anouk, I've also pretty much decided to keep both a Mac >>>>>>>>>>> and a >>>>>>>>>>> PC. at least for now, though I confess I'm tempted some days >>>>>>>>>>> to >>>>>>>>>>> just >>>>>>>>>>> go back to my PC, in the interest of running just one OS on >>>>>>>>>>> one >>>>>>>>>>> computer. When I got my Mac, I had hoped not to upgrade to >>>>>>>>>>> JAWS >>>>>>>>>>> 11 >>>>>>>>>>> and Windows 7, but it looks like I'll be getting both. I use >>>>>>>>>>> my >>>>>>>>>>> PC >>>>>>>>>>> for >>>>>>>>>>> work, for scanning, and for most of my web browsing, which is >>>>>>>>>>> 90% >>>>>>>>>>> of >>>>>>>>>>> what I do. I like the Mac a lot. I like that VO is built >>>>>>>>>>> in, I >>>>>>>>>>> like >>>>>>>>>>> the speed and responsiveness of the Mac, I like the fact that >>>>>>>>>>> it >>>>>>>>>>> doesn't take a year to boot or load an ap, and I like working >>>>>>>>>>> with >>>>>>>>>>> Itunes (I'm still running 8.2.), and I think the Mac seems to >>>>>>>>>>> be >>>>>>>>>>> far >>>>>>>>>>> superior in how it works with Media. But the PC is what I go >>>>>>>>>>> to >>>>>>>>>>> for >>>>>>>>>>> the things I really need to get done. I think for me, my >>>>>>>>>>> experience >>>>>>>>>>> with the Mac reflects my experience with the iphone. When I >>>>>>>>>>> compare >>>>>>>>>>> my iphone with my old Windows Mobile phone, the iphone is >>>>>>>>>>> much >>>>>>>>>>> more >>>>>>>>>>> fun! I love the aps, the games, the ability to quickly do >>>>>>>>>>> things >>>>>>>>>>> like >>>>>>>>>>> check weather, whereas my WM phone was loaded with all kinds >>>>>>>>>>> of >>>>>>>>>>> practical stuff for editing documents spreadsheets, >>>>>>>>>>> powerpoint, >>>>>>>>>>> and >>>>>>>>>>> so >>>>>>>>>>> on. I don't want to do any of that stuff on my phone, so for >>>>>>>>>>> me, >>>>>>>>>>> the >>>>>>>>>>> iphone is by far the better fit. but when it comes to a >>>>>>>>>>> computer, >>>>>>>>>>> it >>>>>>>>>>> cuts the other way, and I find myself favoring the PC which >>>>>>>>>>> seems >>>>>>>>>>> to >>>>>>>>>>> lend itself more to the day-to-day things I need to get done. >>>>>>>>>>> Best, >>>>>>>>>>> Donna >>>>>>>>>>> On Oct 21, 2009, at 5:05 AM, Nicolai Svendsen wrote: >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> Hi again folks, >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> Yes, broadcasts can certainly be done. Nicecast from Rogue >>>>>>>>>>>> Amoeba >>>>>>>>>>>> http://rogueamoeba.com >>>>>>>>>>>> works extremely well. The only issue seems to be the effects >>>>>>>>>>>> scroll >>>>>>>>>>>> area, but I hope they'll be working on that. Otherwise, it >>>>>>>>>>>> works >>>>>>>>>>>> ridiculously well, in fact, and I have nothing to complain >>>>>>>>>>>> about. >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> I'm not exactly sure about your Thumbkey thing. I don't get >>>>>>>>>>>> it. >>>>>>>>>>>> If >>>>>>>>>>>> you >>>>>>>>>>>> can elaborate? Maybe I'm being dense here. :). >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> As for VLC, I've never actually tried it out, and I >>>>>>>>>>>> personally >>>>>>>>>>>> love >>>>>>>>>>>> using Safari for web browsing. For me, everything is much >>>>>>>>>>>> faster. >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> Also, which braille display are you using? >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> Regards, >>>>>>>>>>>> Nic >>>>>>>>>>>> Skype: Kvalme >>>>>>>>>>>> MSN Messenger: nico...@home3.gvdnet.dk >>>>>>>>>>>> AIM: cincinster >>>>>>>>>>>> yahoo Messenger: cin368 >>>>>>>>>>>> Facebook Profile >>>>>>>>>>>> My Twitter >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> On Oct 21, 2009, at 10:22 AM, Tony Bernedal wrote: >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>> Hi again. >>>>>>>>>>>>> Wow. Echomac, never heard of it but when I google it I >>>>>>>>>>>>> found >>>>>>>>>>>>> http://echomac.sourceforge.net/ >>>>>>>>>>>>> I'll try it when I'm back home from work. >>>>>>>>>>>>> Anouk, I had a fire dtv reciever and used it with dvb >>>>>>>>>>>>> viewer >>>>>>>>>>>>> on >>>>>>>>>>>>> windows and Eye tv have driver for it so I gave it a try >>>>>>>>>>>>> but >>>>>>>>>>>>> it >>>>>>>>>>>>> doesn't work as I want at the moment. >>>>>>>>>>>>> I have readiris on the disk and I'm going to try it out and >>>>>>>>>>>>> see >>>>>>>>>>>>> how >>>>>>>>>>>>> it >>>>>>>>>>>>> works with swedish language and so on. >>>>>>>>>>>>> I have heard of some broadcast tools for mac but at the >>>>>>>>>>>>> moment I >>>>>>>>>>>>> haven't looked in to it. I don't broadcast at the moment so >>>>>>>>>>>>> it >>>>>>>>>>>>> doesn't >>>>>>>>>>>>> have so high priority. I still have my studio pc sitting >>>>>>>>>>>>> under >>>>>>>>>>>>> the >>>>>>>>>>>>> desk so I can use stationplaylist and all the broadcast >>>>>>>>>>>>> stuff >>>>>>>>>>>>> if I >>>>>>>>>>>>> want to. >>>>>>>>>>>>> Regards Tony >>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>> 2009/10/21, a radix <anou...@home.nl>: >>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>> Hey Tony, Nice to hear from you! (the world is a small >>>>>>>>>>>>>> place) >>>>>>>>>>>>>> Funny >>>>>>>>>>>>>> we >>>>>>>>>>>>>> started our mac journey at the seem time. I am curious, >>>>>>>>>>>>>> can >>>>>>>>>>>>>> you >>>>>>>>>>>>>> broadcast on >>>>>>>>>>>>>> the mac? I guess otsjuke wont work and obiously shoutcast >>>>>>>>>>>>>> wont >>>>>>>>>>>>>> either. I was >>>>>>>>>>>>>> thinking of running windows with vmware but now I am just >>>>>>>>>>>>>> thinking >>>>>>>>>>>>>> to ask my >>>>>>>>>>>>>> brother to help me install windows 7 via bootcamp instead. >>>>>>>>>>>>>> Has >>>>>>>>>>>>>> anyone got >>>>>>>>>>>>>> experience with installing windows via bootcamp as dual >>>>>>>>>>>>>> boot? >>>>>>>>>>>>>> Is >>>>>>>>>>>>>> it >>>>>>>>>>>>>> diffucult? I presume the drivers for windows 7 for the >>>>>>>>>>>>>> macbook >>>>>>>>>>>>>> pro >>>>>>>>>>>>>> will be >>>>>>>>>>>>>> available from apple? I still want to try vuescan an >>>>>>>>>>>>>> dreadiris, >>>>>>>>>>>>>> in >>>>>>>>>>>>>> fact i >>>>>>>>>>>>>> have the programs on my computer bu tI want to wait till >>>>>>>>>>>>>> hp >>>>>>>>>>>>>> releases the >>>>>>>>>>>>>> drivers for my scanner that are native to sl, also I hope >>>>>>>>>>>>>> by >>>>>>>>>>>>>> that >>>>>>>>>>>>>> time abbyy >>>>>>>>>>>>>> will have released a demo of finereader for the mac that >>>>>>>>>>>>>> is >>>>>>>>>>>>>> native >>>>>>>>>>>>>> to sl. I >>>>>>>>>>>>>> am just concerned that either adf wont work, scanning iwll >>>>>>>>>>>>>> be >>>>>>>>>>>>>> very >>>>>>>>>>>>>> slow or >>>>>>>>>>>>>> dutch character recognition wont be as good as omnipage. >>>>>>>>>>>>>> I am surprised that you also have the thumbkey problem, i >>>>>>>>>>>>>> thought >>>>>>>>>>>>>> it was >>>>>>>>>>>>>> something stupid on my part, corrupt install whatever. I >>>>>>>>>>>>>> guess >>>>>>>>>>>>>> we >>>>>>>>>>>>>> will both >>>>>>>>>>>>>> have to mail apple accessibility about this. >>>>>>>>>>>>>> So, you are using a tv tuner with your mac? This is the >>>>>>>>>>>>>> next >>>>>>>>>>>>>> thing >>>>>>>>>>>>>> i want to >>>>>>>>>>>>>> taccle since now I have an analog tv standing on my desk >>>>>>>>>>>>>> and >>>>>>>>>>>>>> it >>>>>>>>>>>>>> is >>>>>>>>>>>>>> taking up >>>>>>>>>>>>>> space that I could use otherwise. I did have digital tv in >>>>>>>>>>>>>> the >>>>>>>>>>>>>> past >>>>>>>>>>>>>> bu tI >>>>>>>>>>>>>> had a lot of trouble with it and in the end just went back >>>>>>>>>>>>>> to >>>>>>>>>>>>>> analog. There >>>>>>>>>>>>>> are not that many tuners for the mac I think (analog or >>>>>>>>>>>>>> otherwise) >>>>>>>>>>>>>> and I >>>>>>>>>>>>>> guess even less that are available in Europe. Which do you >>>>>>>>>>>>>> use? I >>>>>>>>>>>>>> guess as >>>>>>>>>>>>>> long as I get one with a remote things will be ok (if it >>>>>>>>>>>>>> indeed >>>>>>>>>>>>>> can >>>>>>>>>>>>>> find the >>>>>>>>>>>>>> channels). >>>>>>>>>>>>>> I too LOVE the sleep features of the mac, i never turn >>>>>>>>>>>>>> mine >>>>>>>>>>>>>> off, >>>>>>>>>>>>>> just close >>>>>>>>>>>>>> the lid and thats it. >>>>>>>>>>>>>> Greetings, Anouk, >>>>>>>>>>>>>> ----- Original Message ----- >>>>>>>>>>>>>> From: "Tony Bernedal" <t...@bernedal.net> >>>>>>>>>>>>>> To: <macvisionaries@googlegroups.com> >>>>>>>>>>>>>> Sent: Wednesday, October 21, 2009 9:16 AM >>>>>>>>>>>>>> Subject: Re: my 2 months with a mac >>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Hi Anouk. >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> I have also used my mac for around 3 months now, and like >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> you I >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> still >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> use windows for a couple of things. I trying to get the >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> scanning >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> and >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> ocr to work on the mac but for now windows and omnipage >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> have >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> to >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> do >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> the >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> jobb. I had a license for windows xp lying on the shelf >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> from a >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> no >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> longer working laptop and I installed xp with vmware as a >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> virtual >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> machine and doing my scanning there and it works good but >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> the >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> virtual >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> machine is very slow. I also use windows for Echolink, >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> wich >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> is a >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> ham-radio software wich don't exist on the mac. Also the >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> software >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> to >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> setup and program my hamradio stations is only windows >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> programs. >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> I'm >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> very happy mac user now and after some updates to snow >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> leopard >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> my >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> problems with it is gone. >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> I hope the issue with the thumbkey on your display can be >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> solved. I >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> have same issue with alva satelite. >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> I also have a battle with EyeTV software wich for some >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> odd >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> reason >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> doesn't find my tv channels on the cable network. And it >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> is >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> also >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> very >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> tricky to use with VO. I use VLC for webradio and movies >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> and >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> it >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> works >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> great (vlc version 1.x doesn't work under windows and >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> linux >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> at >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> all >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> with screenreader, only on mac, great!). >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> And I also like the speed, starting my windows pc here at >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> works >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> take >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> forever and the mac is at the desktop in almost 0 time. >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> And, >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> the >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> sleep >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> works well too. >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> So I'm happy with my mac system. >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Good luck with your mac! >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Regards Tony >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> 2009/10/21, a radix <anou...@home.nl>: >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Hello, I have been using my mac for about 2 months now >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> especially >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> at >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> school >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> although at home I still often use my pc and I will >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> explain >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> below >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> why. In >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> general my experiences with the mac have been very >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> positive >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> especially >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> after >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> installing snow leopard. I can use skype and msn just as >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> well >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> as >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> on my >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> pc. >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> And after I dumped itunes and started using vlc instead >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> watching >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> movies >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> and >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> listening to music became a breeze. I recently bought >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> apples >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> office suite >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> because I prefer that over using textedit or the free >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> text >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> editors/office >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> suits that are available. I am also intending to go and >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> use >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> garage band >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> in >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> the future if I can get that working with my yamaha >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> keyboard. I >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> like the >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> built-in speakers and sound quality alhtough listening >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> through >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> its sound >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> output with my own in ear monitors is nothing special. I >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> still >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> find using >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> the internet on the mac a bit mor ework then i did while >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> using >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> my >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> pc and >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> it >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> goes a bit slower also when reading docucments i notice >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> that I >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> cannot >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> endlessly use the right thumb key on my braille display >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> to >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> continue >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> reading, >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> eventually i have to press the right arrow on my normal >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> keyboard >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> if I >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> want >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> to read onm. This does become irritating after a while >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> if >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> you >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> need to >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> read >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> long documents. >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> At home I still mostly use my windows pc although i now >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> have >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> gotten mail >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> working on the mac as well because 1. I use omnipage pro >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> 16 >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> under >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> windows >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> to >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> scan my books for school, while I know that there are >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> some >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> scanning >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> solutions for the mac that i will probbably try once the >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> hp >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> drivers for >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> sl >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> have been released I just dont know if they will be as >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> good >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> and >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> easy as >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> using omnipage pro 16 and am a bit hesistant to try it >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> because >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> of >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> that (I >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> really really hope that a full version of finereader >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> will >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> eventually be >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> released for the mac since I have heard it can rival >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> omnipage >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> pro). >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Secondly there is filesharing, i will be brief. Ftp does >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> work >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> on >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> the mac >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> with transmit which I rather like although I have not >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> registered >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> it yet, >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> questions i asked its support team went unanswered. >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Usenet >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> also >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> works but >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> udner windows I preferred to use other programs which >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> are >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> not >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> available >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> on >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> the mac. >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> The third point is playing games which I do a lot on the >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> pec >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> especially >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> interactive fiction and muds. There is an interpreter >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> for >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> interactive >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> fiction called zoom which I tried and although I can >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> open >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> games >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> with it >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> saved games were a problem for me since I could not >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> open a >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> saved >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> game >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> file >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> (made in frotz). >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> For muds the situation on the mac is not so good, I play >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> them >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> all >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> the >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> time >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> on windows but there is only one mudclient that I know >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> of >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> which >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> works >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> under >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> sl and which is still being developed, jamochamud which >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> works >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> under java. >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> It >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> is not too accessible at the moment but the programmer >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> has >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> promised to >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> look >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> at it, still it does not offer all the features even >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> then >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> that I >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> am used >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> to >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> on a windows client. >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> As soon as windows 7 becomes officially available I am >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> planning >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> to >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> install >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> it on my mac (probbably via bootcamp) so that I at least >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> can >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> use >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> my mac >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> all >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> the time even if I need to use windows, hopefully for >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> the >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> scanning and >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> downloading tasks I will in the future be able to use >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> the >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> mac >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> and >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> I have >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> hopes for muds as well but for now at least my mac is >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> mostly >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> used >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> at >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> school >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> and in the library. >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Greetings, Anouk, >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>> >>>> >>> >> > > > > > >
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