Yeah I hate Vista. a radix wrote: > Hello, Lol that was funny! I can tell you i used vista in the past and I > HATED it. It wasnt the BEST computer there was (a toshiba tecra laptop) but > it was SLOW and imho more cumbersome then xp. I now still use xp at my home > pc althoughI am thinking to upgrade to windows 7. > Greetings, Anouk, > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Donna Goodin" <goodi...@msu.edu> > To: <macvisionaries@googlegroups.com> > Sent: Friday, October 23, 2009 12:51 PM > Subject: Re: my 2 months with a mac > > > >> Hi Nic, >> >> Thanks, but that wasn't what I meant. I meant I'm sorry she was using >> Vista. Mind you, this isn't based on personal experience, I just >> don't know anyone who's upgraded to Vista and liked it. >> Cheers, >> Donna >> On Oct 23, 2009, at 2:26 AM, Nicolai Svendsen wrote: >> >> >>> Hi, >>> >>> No need to be sorry for having an opinion. People have different >>> opinions about Vista, some wish they'd never tried it (me included) >>> and some like it. >>> >>> Regards, >>> Nic >>> Skype: Kvalme >>> MSN Messenger: nico...@home3.gvdnet.dk >>> AIM: cincinster >>> yahoo Messenger: cin368 >>> Facebook Profile >>> My Twitter >>> >>> On Oct 23, 2009, at 4:29 AM, Donna Goodin wrote: >>> >>> >>>> Oh, I'm so sorry! >>>> Donna >>>> On Oct 22, 2009, at 10:23 PM, Portia wrote: >>>> >>>> >>>>> I'm running Vista. >>>>> >>>>> Donna Goodin wrote: >>>>> >>>>>> Hi Nic, >>>>>> >>>>>> I think you're dead on. At least for me, my work environment has >>>>>> had >>>>>> a very definite impact on my experience with my Mac. >>>>>> >>>>>> I think I'm also lucky. I never switched to Windows Vista, thank >>>>>> God! >>>>>> I'm still running XP, which I think makes my Windows life a lot >>>>>> easier! >>>>>> Take care, >>>>>> Donna >>>>>> On Oct 22, 2009, at 2:54 AM, Nicolai Svendsen wrote: >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>>> Hi, >>>>>>> >>>>>>> I think one of the biggest issues that are represented here is >>>>>>> work. >>>>>>> Depending on what you're doing, the company you work for might >>>>>>> require >>>>>>> that you work with their systems, most likely Windows or Linux. >>>>>>> I've >>>>>>> encountered companies in my country that use Mac OS X, but not >>>>>>> many, >>>>>>> which definitely does get confusing. I would suppose that, if you >>>>>>> work >>>>>>> more than you have time to play with your Mac, the PC immediately >>>>>>> takes priority for obvious reasons and it'll take you longer to >>>>>>> get >>>>>>> used to it. >>>>>>> >>>>>>> I study computer science, and on occasion I actually have to >>>>>>> struggle >>>>>>> with Windows commands. I find Windows so sluggish and unresponsive >>>>>>> now >>>>>>> compared to the Mac, and that's not an attempt to slam it, because >>>>>>> I'm >>>>>>> sure it has its advantages for some people, it's just not snappy >>>>>>> and >>>>>>> stable enough for what I need it to do.. Granted, I mostly do use >>>>>>> my >>>>>>> Mac for things such as browsing the web, editing, reading mail and >>>>>>> so- >>>>>>> forth, but what frustrated me with Windows was the crashes. That >>>>>>> is >>>>>>> one thing I don't miss. Otherwise, Windows is definitely a good >>>>>>> system. For me, it just wasn't good enough, so to speak, and it >>>>>>> frustrated the heck out of me sometimes. Sometimes I was happy >>>>>>> with >>>>>>> it, to be fair. But I also think one superiority the Mac has over >>>>>>> the >>>>>>> Windows operating system is the integrated screen access software. >>>>>>> If >>>>>>> you update your display drivers, you don't need to spend time >>>>>>> reinstalling and installing applications to discover it didn't >>>>>>> work, >>>>>>> then install the latest version of an application such as JAWS to >>>>>>> finally make it understand that you actually want Video Intercept >>>>>>> installed for the thousandth time, then downgrade if you don't >>>>>>> like >>>>>>> JAWS 11. If you're me, you don't like JAWS 11, but that's another >>>>>>> story entirely. But that's another thing that made me all too >>>>>>> willing >>>>>>> to switch, with no regrets. Yeah, I wish someone would put >>>>>>> together a >>>>>>> MUD client that actually had VoiceOver support, or at least >>>>>>> utilize >>>>>>> the text to speech features that use the built-in voices without >>>>>>> VoiceOver. That'd at least be a start. >>>>>>> >>>>>>> Otherwise, I don't use Windows at all except to comply with those >>>>>>> people who still send me executables on CDs. Or to play MUDs. You >>>>>>> can >>>>>>> do exactly the same things on the Mac as you can on Windows, the >>>>>>> only >>>>>>> problem every switcher probably has is the fact that they don't >>>>>>> know >>>>>>> which applications to look for to accomplish said task. I've had >>>>>>> my >>>>>>> Mac since August 1 as I said earlier, and I certainly don't know >>>>>>> all >>>>>>> the substitutes for Windows programs yet. That having been said, I >>>>>>> only use Windows for the tasks written above. >>>>>>> >>>>>>> Thought I'd share my views once again, and I'll probably be >>>>>>> writing >>>>>>> more. >>>>>>> >>>>>>> Regards, >>>>>>> Nic >>>>>>> Skype: Kvalme >>>>>>> MSN Messenger: nico...@home3.gvdnet.dk >>>>>>> AIM: cincinster >>>>>>> yahoo Messenger: cin368 >>>>>>> Facebook Profile >>>>>>> My Twitter >>>>>>> >>>>>>> On Oct 22, 2009, at 5:44 AM, May McDonald wrote: >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>>> Smile, thank you very much. >>>>>>>> On 2009-10-21, at 8:41 PM, Ryan Mann wrote: >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> You can see the commands that are set up by default by doing the >>>>>>>>> following: >>>>>>>>> 1. Open VoiceOver utility. >>>>>>>>> 2. Interact with the Utility categories table and vo+downarrow >>>>>>>>> to >>>>>>>>> the >>>>>>>>> commands category, then stop interacting. >>>>>>>>> 3. Select the Keyboard tab. >>>>>>>>> 4. Vo+rightarrow and you should hear a checkbox to enable >>>>>>>>> keyboard >>>>>>>>> commander. Check that box. >>>>>>>>> 5. Vo+rightarrow again and you should hear "keyboard commander >>>>>>>>> table." Interact with that table. After you interact with that >>>>>>>>> table, you should be able to use the usual VoiceOver navigation >>>>>>>>> commands to hear what commands are set. >>>>>>>>> n Oct 21, 2009, at 10:50 PM, May McDonald wrote: >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> Hmm, that's really good to know. Is there a place where I can >>>>>>>>>> find >>>>>>>>>> other commands the apple script has? I guess I'll go check >>>>>>>>>> that >>>>>>>>>> option now. >>>>>>>>>> On 2009-10-21, at 7:27 PM, Ryan Mann wrote: >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> Hello. If you're running Snow Leopard and you have Voiceover >>>>>>>>>>> set >>>>>>>>>>> to >>>>>>>>>>> allow it to be controled by Apple Script, you can hit option+t >>>>>>>>>>> to >>>>>>>>>>> check the time. >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> On Oct 21, 2009, at 8:16 PM, peter apgar wrote: >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> well said all, >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> there are several cool factors for the mac os. one of which >>>>>>>>>>>> is >>>>>>>>>>>> the >>>>>>>>>>>> fact that we don't have to pay extra for the accessibility. >>>>>>>>>>>> however >>>>>>>>>>>> the largest down fall is the majority of work places do not >>>>>>>>>>>> support >>>>>>>>>>>> OSX. for this reason alone i only have limited time to >>>>>>>>>>>> explore >>>>>>>>>>>> its >>>>>>>>>>>> virtues. i will second the same issues that Donna posted >>>>>>>>>>>> previously. additionally i have found that there is a lot >>>>>>>>>>>> more >>>>>>>>>>>> interaction for simple tasks. double the key strokes for the >>>>>>>>>>>> same >>>>>>>>>>>> actions as in ms is just a minor peev. i am quite worried >>>>>>>>>>>> that >>>>>>>>>>>> running two or possibly three systems may become overwhelming >>>>>>>>>>>> when >>>>>>>>>>>> begining a graduate program. i guess only time will tell. >>>>>>>>>>>> has >>>>>>>>>>>> any >>>>>>>>>>>> one written code for a quick check of the time? >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> Have good evening, >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> Pete >>>>>>>>>>>> On Oct 21, 2009, at 11:51 AM, May McDonald wrote: >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>> Hi all, I guess I'll jump in on this thread as well. I >>>>>>>>>>>>> haven't >>>>>>>>>>>>> had >>>>>>>>>>>>> my >>>>>>>>>>>>> mac for 2 months yet, but pretty close. >>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>> I'm amazed that I was able to make the switch so easily to >>>>>>>>>>>>> the >>>>>>>>>>>>> mac. >>>>>>>>>>>>> In fact, now whenever I have to use a windows machine I >>>>>>>>>>>>> finder >>>>>>>>>>>>> it a >>>>>>>>>>>>> little harder to think of the windows commands because they >>>>>>>>>>>>> aren't >>>>>>>>>>>>> used by me all the time anymore, smile. >>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>> I will be putting windows 7 on this mac but again it won't >>>>>>>>>>>>> be >>>>>>>>>>>>> used >>>>>>>>>>>>> all >>>>>>>>>>>>> the time, only for scanning because I liked my scanning >>>>>>>>>>>>> software >>>>>>>>>>>>> for >>>>>>>>>>>>> windows and to play games. Other than that, it will be >>>>>>>>>>>>> hidden >>>>>>>>>>>>> behind >>>>>>>>>>>>> mac. >>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>> I'm glad I made the switch and now go back to the basics and >>>>>>>>>>>>> figure >>>>>>>>>>>>> out how sly and vo work, lol. >>>>>>>>>>>>> On 2009-10-21, at 8:41 AM, Donna Goodin wrote: >>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>> Wow, Nic, you are a determined soul! :) I'm glad that >>>>>>>>>>>>>> after >>>>>>>>>>>>>> all >>>>>>>>>>>>>> you >>>>>>>>>>>>>> had to go through with the install, the Mac turned out to >>>>>>>>>>>>>> suit >>>>>>>>>>>>>> your >>>>>>>>>>>>>> needs. >>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>> You people who have taken so readily to web-browsing on the >>>>>>>>>>>>>> Mac, >>>>>>>>>>>>>> fascinate me. I keep playing with it, hoping to come to >>>>>>>>>>>>>> the >>>>>>>>>>>>>> same >>>>>>>>>>>>>> conclusion, but it just doesn't happen. For example, I am >>>>>>>>>>>>>> currently >>>>>>>>>>>>>> job-hunting, and the other night, received a job match >>>>>>>>>>>>>> from a >>>>>>>>>>>>>> site I >>>>>>>>>>>>>> am registered with. When Safari loaded the page and auto- >>>>>>>>>>>>>> read, >>>>>>>>>>>>>> it >>>>>>>>>>>>>> read everything just as you would expect. But then, I >>>>>>>>>>>>>> decided I >>>>>>>>>>>>>> wanted to take a second look at the preferred >>>>>>>>>>>>>> qualifications. I >>>>>>>>>>>>>> couldn't find them to save my soul! I arrowed around, I >>>>>>>>>>>>>> interacted >>>>>>>>>>>>>> with stuff, and nothing. So, I booted up my Pc, went into >>>>>>>>>>>>>> IE, >>>>>>>>>>>>>> and >>>>>>>>>>>>>> found what I was looking for in two seconds. And I still >>>>>>>>>>>>>> have >>>>>>>>>>>>>> no >>>>>>>>>>>>>> clue >>>>>>>>>>>>>> what I should have done to locate that info in Safari. I >>>>>>>>>>>>>> often >>>>>>>>>>>>>> feel >>>>>>>>>>>>>> like because of all the interacting and stuff, that >>>>>>>>>>>>>> viewing a >>>>>>>>>>>>>> webpage >>>>>>>>>>>>>> in Safari is like looking at it through tinted glass or >>>>>>>>>>>>>> through a >>>>>>>>>>>>>> veil >>>>>>>>>>>>>> that only lets you see the outline of what you're looking >>>>>>>>>>>>>> at. >>>>>>>>>>>>>> Links >>>>>>>>>>>>>> of course are no problem, it's the text content that is >>>>>>>>>>>>>> often >>>>>>>>>>>>>> very >>>>>>>>>>>>>> difficult to locate. >>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>> I highly recommend the iphone, I've found it to be a >>>>>>>>>>>>>> delightful >>>>>>>>>>>>>> little >>>>>>>>>>>>>> toy, um, I mean, device. *grin* >>>>>>>>>>>>>> Cheers, >>>>>>>>>>>>>> Donna >>>>>>>>>>>>>> On Oct 21, 2009, at 11:03 AM, Nicolai Svendsen wrote: >>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Hi, >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Definitely quite an interesting story. >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> I got my Mac on August 1. It was actually an odd >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> experience. I >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> went >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> to >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> an Apple store a couple weeks prior to my purchase just to >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> try >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> it >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> out. >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> I had attempted to use OS X 10.4, Tiger in the past at an >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> institute >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> for the blind, but I actually didn't like it. I thought it >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> was >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> quite >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> literally a pile of crap. >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> I start listening to podcasts that sighted and blind users >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> have >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> done >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> for the Macintosh, and figure I'll give it another shot. I >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> finally >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> decided to purchase a Mac, because I had frankly become >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> extremely >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> frustrated with Windows and most certainly Vista. XP has >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> always >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> been >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> my favorite if I do have to use Windows. I'd become tired >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> of >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> how >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> many >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> things you needed for Windows to work efficiently. >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Sometimes >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> you >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> had >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> to worry about corrupted files, leftovers from previously >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> installed >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> applications, that sort of thing not to mention the >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> registry. >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> The >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> headache. >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> So I decided to take the plunge. >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> I read through the entire VoiceOver manual the day >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> before I >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> went >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> back >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> to the store, and wrote down notes for the things I >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> figured >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> I'd >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> mostly >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> be using for a while. When I arrived at the store, I went >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> to >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> try >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> it >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> out again to make sure a Mac would be what I desired. It >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> definitely >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> was. So much that, in fact, that even though they only >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> had a >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> showroom >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> floor model at the time, I grabbed it. The cleaned it off >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> thoroughly, >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> wrapped it up and tossed the DVDs I'd need in the box. I >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> was >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> happy. >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> So >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> very happy. >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> I arrive home, and I'm practically tingling with >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> excitement. I >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> almost >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> rip the box apart (taking care of the DVDs of course), get >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> out >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> my >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> shiny Macbook and hook it up. >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Oh no! >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> What I did know was that I had to reinstall it, but I >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> didn't >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> care. I >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> didn't want any of that junk on it they had installed to >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> advertise. >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> So >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> i went ahead. I rebooted it, held down the C-key when the >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> installation >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> DVD had been sucked into the Mac and I heard the startup >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> sound. >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> It >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> displayed the finder and spat out the DVD. Literally. So I >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> decided >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> that apparently wasn't working for whatever reason. I >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> located >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> the >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> installer DVD in the finder and open it. Authentication. >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> God >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> dang >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> it! >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Behold the password box. I was required to enter a >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> password to >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> proceed. Of course, the Macbook had not been set to >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> require a >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> password >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> at login. >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> I call them at the store, and ask them for a password. I >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> told >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> them >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> the >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> C-key solution had not worked to boot from the DVD, and >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> they >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> promptly >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> complied with my request. They gave me several passwords >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> to >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> enter, >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> and >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> I did. >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> "The name or password you entered is incorrect." >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> I went back to the store, and they had a look at it. Most >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> annoying >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> of >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> all was that finally, the C-key actually seemed to work. I >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> was >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> installing it when I got home. By this point, I was like a >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> kid >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> on >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> his >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> birthday. >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> I thought I'd share my experience with all of you on the >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> list. >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Yes, I >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> am aware it's probably quite long-winded. But what can you >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> do? I >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> do >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> run Windows as a virtual machine, but only to MUD. I do >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> sometimes >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> find >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> it kind of annoying having to run two programs just to >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> scan >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> and >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> recognize the image. That is why I liked Omnipage, and >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> there >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> has >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> to >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> be >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> a solution out there that does exactly the same. >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> As for my web browsing experience, everything is much more >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> smooth >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> and >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> responsive. I can easily find what I want by using the >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> search >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> feature >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> in VoiceOver, and ever since Leopard was released the web >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> rotor >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> makes >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> it even easier, not to mention Auto web spots. So yes, I >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> do >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> use >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Windows. Rarely, but I do. And I'm definitely not ashamed >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> to >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> admit >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> it. >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> But if a MUD client was accessible to VoiceOver, I would >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> not >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> touch >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> it >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> again. I've found my experience with Mac has not only been >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> productive, >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> but fun and enjoyable where as with Windows, I wanted to >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> throw >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> the >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> machine through the window half the time I was using it >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> due to >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> freezes, driver errors and so-forth. >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Well, I think I'm done now. I want an iPhone, now that you >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> mention >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> it, >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> but at the same time you don't always need to have the >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> latest >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> and >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> greatest. And I need to realize that. :P. Yes, I loved the >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> iPhone >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> and >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> I'm used to the gestures since I use my trackpad quite a >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> lot, >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> but >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> at >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> the same time, I need a phone for text messaging and phone >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> calls. >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> That >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> is about it. It'll probably be faster to accomplish those >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> tasks >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> with >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> the iPhone, I have no doubt about it. Maybe one day I'll >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> even >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> get >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> one. >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> But when I find a really good reason except for all the >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> apps >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> you >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> can >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> seemingly install with no issues, perfectly usable, then I >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> won't >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> buy >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> one. Besides, who wants to pay $99.95 for an iPhone plan >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> in >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Denmark? >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Not me. >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Have a great afternoon, folks. I at least know those >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> living in >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> the >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Eastern timezone are approaching lunch time. :) >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Regards, >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Nic >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Skype: Kvalme >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> MSN Messenger: nico...@home3.gvdnet.dk >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> AIM: cincinster >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> yahoo Messenger: cin368 >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Facebook Profile >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> My Twitter >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> On Oct 21, 2009, at 4:17 PM, Donna Goodin wrote: >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Hi all, >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> I Thought I'd weigh in here, since I got my Mac around >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> the >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> same >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> time >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> almost, I'm going on three months now. >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> I agree with Anouk, and would add that I often find it's >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> easier >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> to >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> use my PC for work-related tasks. As I mentioned >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> earlier, I >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> use >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> the >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> ap Blackboard, which I have to use Windows for, as Safari >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> isn't >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> currently supported.. Since I'm logged into Blackboard >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> most >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> days, >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> that >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> sort of automatically means I'm using my PC, and the Mac >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> gets >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> relegated to after-hours. >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> I also still strongly prefer web-browsing on my PC. I've >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> had >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> so >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> many >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> experiences where on the Mac I simply cannot locate an >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> item >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> that I >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> know is on a certain page. This never happens to me on >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> the >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> PC. I >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> find >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> that when browsing, I can do things in half the time on >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> my >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> PC, >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> and >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> sometimes on the Mac, even after spending the extra >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> time, I >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> don't >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> find >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> what I'm looking for, and end up going back to the PC >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> anyway. >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> I'm an avid reader, and so do a lot of scanning. I really >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> don't >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> like >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> the idea of having to use two separate programs, one for >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> scanning >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> and >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> one for the OCR, especially when I have one program on my >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> PC >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> that >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> will >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> do both jobs quite nicely. This of course isn't an Apple >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> issue, >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> but I >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> do think that for many of us who are blind, the lack of a >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> good >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> solid >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> scanning/ocr option, is a real obstacle in terms of >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> seeing >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> the >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Mac >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> as >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> a PC replacement. >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Like Anouk, I've also pretty much decided to keep both a >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Mac >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> and a >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> PC. at least for now, though I confess I'm tempted some >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> days >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> to >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> just >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> go back to my PC, in the interest of running just one OS >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> on >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> one >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> computer. When I got my Mac, I had hoped not to upgrade >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> to >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> JAWS >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> 11 >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> and Windows 7, but it looks like I'll be getting both. I >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> use >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> my >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> PC >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> for >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> work, for scanning, and for most of my web browsing, >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> which is >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> 90% >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> of >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> what I do. I like the Mac a lot. I like that VO is >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> built >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> in, I >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> like >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> the speed and responsiveness of the Mac, I like the fact >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> that >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> it >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> doesn't take a year to boot or load an ap, and I like >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> working >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> with >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Itunes (I'm still running 8.2.), and I think the Mac >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> seems to >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> be >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> far >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> superior in how it works with Media. But the PC is what I >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> go >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> to >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> for >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> the things I really need to get done. I think for me, my >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> experience >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> with the Mac reflects my experience with the iphone. >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> When I >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> compare >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> my iphone with my old Windows Mobile phone, the iphone is >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> much >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> more >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> fun! I love the aps, the games, the ability to quickly do >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> things >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> like >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> check weather, whereas my WM phone was loaded with all >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> kinds >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> of >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> practical stuff for editing documents spreadsheets, >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> powerpoint, >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> and >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> so >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> on. I don't want to do any of that stuff on my phone, so >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> for >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> me, >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> the >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> iphone is by far the better fit. but when it comes to a >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> computer, >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> it >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> cuts the other way, and I find myself favoring the PC >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> which >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> seems >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> to >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> lend itself more to the day-to-day things I need to get >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> done. >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Best, >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Donna >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> On Oct 21, 2009, at 5:05 AM, Nicolai Svendsen wrote: >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Hi again folks, >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Yes, broadcasts can certainly be done. Nicecast from >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Rogue >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Amoeba >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> http://rogueamoeba.com >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> works extremely well. The only issue seems to be the >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> effects >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> scroll >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> area, but I hope they'll be working on that. Otherwise, >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> it >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> works >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> ridiculously well, in fact, and I have nothing to >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> complain >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> about. >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> I'm not exactly sure about your Thumbkey thing. I don't >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> get >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> it. >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> If >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> you >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> can elaborate? Maybe I'm being dense here. :). >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> As for VLC, I've never actually tried it out, and I >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> personally >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> love >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> using Safari for web browsing. For me, everything is >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> much >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> faster. >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Also, which braille display are you using? >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Regards, >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Nic >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Skype: Kvalme >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> MSN Messenger: nico...@home3.gvdnet.dk >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> AIM: cincinster >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> yahoo Messenger: cin368 >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Facebook Profile >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> My Twitter >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> On Oct 21, 2009, at 10:22 AM, Tony Bernedal wrote: >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Hi again. >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Wow. Echomac, never heard of it but when I google it I >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> found >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> http://echomac.sourceforge.net/ >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> I'll try it when I'm back home from work. >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Anouk, I had a fire dtv reciever and used it with dvb >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> viewer >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> on >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> windows and Eye tv have driver for it so I gave it a >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> try >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> but >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> it >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> doesn't work as I want at the moment. >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> I have readiris on the disk and I'm going to try it out >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> and >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> see >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> how >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> it >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> works with swedish language and so on. >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> I have heard of some broadcast tools for mac but at the >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> moment I >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> haven't looked in to it. I don't broadcast at the >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> moment so >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> it >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> doesn't >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> have so high priority. I still have my studio pc >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> sitting >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> under >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> the >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> desk so I can use stationplaylist and all the broadcast >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> stuff >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> if I >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> want to. >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Regards Tony >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> 2009/10/21, a radix <anou...@home.nl>: >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Hey Tony, Nice to hear from you! (the world is a small >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> place) >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Funny >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> we >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> started our mac journey at the seem time. I am >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> curious, >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> can >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> you >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> broadcast on >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> the mac? I guess otsjuke wont work and obiously >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> shoutcast >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> wont >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> either. I was >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> thinking of running windows with vmware but now I am >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> just >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> thinking >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> to ask my >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> brother to help me install windows 7 via bootcamp >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> instead. >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Has >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> anyone got >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> experience with installing windows via bootcamp as >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> dual >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> boot? >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Is >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> it >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> diffucult? I presume the drivers for windows 7 for the >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> macbook >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> pro >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> will be >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> available from apple? I still want to try vuescan an >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> dreadiris, >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> in >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> fact i >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> have the programs on my computer bu tI want to wait >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> till >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> hp >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> releases the >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> drivers for my scanner that are native to sl, also I >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> hope >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> by >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> that >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> time abbyy >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> will have released a demo of finereader for the mac >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> that >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> is >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> native >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> to sl. I >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> am just concerned that either adf wont work, scanning >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> iwll >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> be >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> very >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> slow or >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> dutch character recognition wont be as good as >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> omnipage. >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> I am surprised that you also have the thumbkey >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> problem, i >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> thought >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> it was >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> something stupid on my part, corrupt install >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> whatever. I >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> guess >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> we >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> will both >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> have to mail apple accessibility about this. >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> So, you are using a tv tuner with your mac? This is >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> the >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> next >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> thing >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> i want to >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> taccle since now I have an analog tv standing on my >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> desk >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> and >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> it >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> is >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> taking up >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> space that I could use otherwise. I did have digital >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> tv in >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> the >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> past >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> bu tI >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> had a lot of trouble with it and in the end just went >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> back >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> to >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> analog. There >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> are not that many tuners for the mac I think (analog >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> or >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> otherwise) >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> and I >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> guess even less that are available in Europe. Which do >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> you >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> use? I >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> guess as >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> long as I get one with a remote things will be ok (if >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> it >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> indeed >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> can >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> find the >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> channels). >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> I too LOVE the sleep features of the mac, i never turn >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> mine >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> off, >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> just close >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> the lid and thats it. >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Greetings, Anouk, >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> ----- Original Message ----- >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> From: "Tony Bernedal" <t...@bernedal.net> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> To: <macvisionaries@googlegroups.com> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Sent: Wednesday, October 21, 2009 9:16 AM >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Subject: Re: my 2 months with a mac >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Hi Anouk. >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> I have also used my mac for around 3 months now, and >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> like >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> you I >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> still >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> use windows for a couple of things. I trying to get >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> the >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> scanning >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> and >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> ocr to work on the mac but for now windows and >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> omnipage >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> have >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> to >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> do >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> the >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> jobb. I had a license for windows xp lying on the >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> shelf >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> from a >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> no >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> longer working laptop and I installed xp with vmware >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> as a >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> virtual >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> machine and doing my scanning there and it works good >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> but >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> the >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> virtual >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> machine is very slow. I also use windows for >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Echolink, >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> wich >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> is a >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> ham-radio software wich don't exist on the mac. Also >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> the >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> software >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> to >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> setup and program my hamradio stations is only >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> windows >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> programs. >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> I'm >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> very happy mac user now and after some updates to >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> snow >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> leopard >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> my >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> problems with it is gone. >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> I hope the issue with the thumbkey on your display >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> can be >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> solved. I >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> have same issue with alva satelite. >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> I also have a battle with EyeTV software wich for >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> some >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> odd >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> reason >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> doesn't find my tv channels on the cable network. And >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> it >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> is >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> also >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> very >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> tricky to use with VO. I use VLC for webradio and >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> movies >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> and >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> it >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> works >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> great (vlc version 1.x doesn't work under windows and >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> linux >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> at >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> all >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> with screenreader, only on mac, great!). >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> And I also like the speed, starting my windows pc >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> here at >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> works >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> take >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> forever and the mac is at the desktop in almost 0 >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> time. >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> And, >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> the >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> sleep >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> works well too. >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> So I'm happy with my mac system. >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Good luck with your mac! >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Regards Tony >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> 2009/10/21, a radix <anou...@home.nl>: >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Hello, I have been using my mac for about 2 months >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> now >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> especially >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> at >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> school >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> although at home I still often use my pc and I will >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> explain >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> below >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> why. In >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> general my experiences with the mac have been very >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> positive >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> especially >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> after >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> installing snow leopard. I can use skype and msn >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> just as >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> well >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> as >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> on my >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> pc. >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> And after I dumped itunes and started using vlc >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> instead >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> watching >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> movies >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> and >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> listening to music became a breeze. I recently >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> bought >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> apples >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> office suite >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> because I prefer that over using textedit or the >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> free >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> text >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> editors/office >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> suits that are available. I am also intending to go >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> and >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> use >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> garage band >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> in >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> the future if I can get that working with my yamaha >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> keyboard. I >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> like the >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> built-in speakers and sound quality alhtough >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> listening >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> through >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> its sound >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> output with my own in ear monitors is nothing >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> special. I >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> still >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> find using >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> the internet on the mac a bit mor ework then i did >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> while >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> using >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> my >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> pc and >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> it >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> goes a bit slower also when reading docucments i >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> notice >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> that I >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> cannot >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> endlessly use the right thumb key on my braille >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> display >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> to >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> continue >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> reading, >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> eventually i have to press the right arrow on my >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> normal >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> keyboard >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> if I >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> want >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> to read onm. This does become irritating after a >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> while >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> if >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> you >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> need to >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> read >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> long documents. >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> At home I still mostly use my windows pc although i >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> now >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> have >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> gotten mail >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> working on the mac as well because 1. I use omnipage >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> pro >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> 16 >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> under >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> windows >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> to >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> scan my books for school, while I know that there >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> are >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> some >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> scanning >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> solutions for the mac that i will probbably try once >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> the >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> hp >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> drivers for >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> sl >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> have been released I just dont know if they will be >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> as >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> good >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> and >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> easy as >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> using omnipage pro 16 and am a bit hesistant to try >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> it >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> because >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> of >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> that (I >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> really really hope that a full version of finereader >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> will >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> eventually be >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> released for the mac since I have heard it can rival >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> omnipage >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> pro). >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Secondly there is filesharing, i will be brief. Ftp >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> does >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> work >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> on >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> the mac >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> with transmit which I rather like although I have >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> not >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> registered >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> it yet, >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> questions i asked its support team went unanswered. >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Usenet >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> also >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> works but >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> udner windows I preferred to use other programs >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> which >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> are >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> not >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> available >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> on >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> the mac. >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> The third point is playing games which I do a lot on >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> the >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> pec >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> especially >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> interactive fiction and muds. There is an >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> interpreter >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> for >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> interactive >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> fiction called zoom which I tried and although I can >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> open >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> games >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> with it >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> saved games were a problem for me since I could not >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> open a >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> saved >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> game >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> file >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> (made in frotz). >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> For muds the situation on the mac is not so good, I >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> play >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> them >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> all >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> the >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> time >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> on windows but there is only one mudclient that I >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> know >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> of >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> which >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> works >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> under >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> sl and which is still being developed, jamochamud >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> which >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> works >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> under java. >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> It >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> is not too accessible at the moment but the >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> programmer >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> has >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> promised to >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> look >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> at it, still it does not offer all the features even >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> then >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> that I >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> am used >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> to >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> on a windows client. >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> As soon as windows 7 becomes officially available I >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> am >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> planning >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> to >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> install >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> it on my mac (probbably via bootcamp) so that I at >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> least >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> can >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> use >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> my mac >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> all >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> the time even if I need to use windows, hopefully >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> for >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> the >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> scanning and >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> downloading tasks I will in the future be able to >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> use >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> the >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> mac >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> and >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> I have >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> hopes for muds as well but for now at least my mac >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> is >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> mostly >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> used >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> at >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> school >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> and in the library. >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Greetings, Anouk, >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>> >>> >> > > > > > >
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