Hi, I think one of the biggest issues that are represented here is work. Depending on what you're doing, the company you work for might require that you work with their systems, most likely Windows or Linux. I've encountered companies in my country that use Mac OS X, but not many, which definitely does get confusing. I would suppose that, if you work more than you have time to play with your Mac, the PC immediately takes priority for obvious reasons and it'll take you longer to get used to it.
I study computer science, and on occasion I actually have to struggle with Windows commands. I find Windows so sluggish and unresponsive now compared to the Mac, and that's not an attempt to slam it, because I'm sure it has its advantages for some people, it's just not snappy and stable enough for what I need it to do.. Granted, I mostly do use my Mac for things such as browsing the web, editing, reading mail and so- forth, but what frustrated me with Windows was the crashes. That is one thing I don't miss. Otherwise, Windows is definitely a good system. For me, it just wasn't good enough, so to speak, and it frustrated the heck out of me sometimes. Sometimes I was happy with it, to be fair. But I also think one superiority the Mac has over the Windows operating system is the integrated screen access software. If you update your display drivers, you don't need to spend time reinstalling and installing applications to discover it didn't work, then install the latest version of an application such as JAWS to finally make it understand that you actually want Video Intercept installed for the thousandth time, then downgrade if you don't like JAWS 11. If you're me, you don't like JAWS 11, but that's another story entirely. But that's another thing that made me all too willing to switch, with no regrets. Yeah, I wish someone would put together a MUD client that actually had VoiceOver support, or at least utilize the text to speech features that use the built-in voices without VoiceOver. That'd at least be a start. Otherwise, I don't use Windows at all except to comply with those people who still send me executables on CDs. Or to play MUDs. You can do exactly the same things on the Mac as you can on Windows, the only problem every switcher probably has is the fact that they don't know which applications to look for to accomplish said task. I've had my Mac since August 1 as I said earlier, and I certainly don't know all the substitutes for Windows programs yet. That having been said, I only use Windows for the tasks written above. Thought I'd share my views once again, and I'll probably be writing more. Regards, Nic Skype: Kvalme MSN Messenger: nico...@home3.gvdnet.dk AIM: cincinster yahoo Messenger: cin368 Facebook Profile My Twitter On Oct 22, 2009, at 5:44 AM, May McDonald wrote: > > Smile, thank you very much. > On 2009-10-21, at 8:41 PM, Ryan Mann wrote: > >> >> You can see the commands that are set up by default by doing the >> following: >> 1. Open VoiceOver utility. >> 2. Interact with the Utility categories table and vo+downarrow to >> the >> commands category, then stop interacting. >> 3. Select the Keyboard tab. >> 4. Vo+rightarrow and you should hear a checkbox to enable keyboard >> commander. Check that box. >> 5. Vo+rightarrow again and you should hear "keyboard commander >> table." Interact with that table. After you interact with that >> table, you should be able to use the usual VoiceOver navigation >> commands to hear what commands are set. >> n Oct 21, 2009, at 10:50 PM, May McDonald wrote: >> >>> >>> Hmm, that's really good to know. Is there a place where I can find >>> other commands the apple script has? I guess I'll go check that >>> option now. >>> On 2009-10-21, at 7:27 PM, Ryan Mann wrote: >>> >>>> >>>> Hello. If you're running Snow Leopard and you have Voiceover set >>>> to >>>> allow it to be controled by Apple Script, you can hit option+t to >>>> check the time. >>>> >>>> On Oct 21, 2009, at 8:16 PM, peter apgar wrote: >>>> >>>>> >>>>> well said all, >>>>> >>>>> there are several cool factors for the mac os. one of which is >>>>> the >>>>> fact that we don't have to pay extra for the accessibility. >>>>> however >>>>> the largest down fall is the majority of work places do not >>>>> support >>>>> OSX. for this reason alone i only have limited time to explore >>>>> its >>>>> virtues. i will second the same issues that Donna posted >>>>> previously. additionally i have found that there is a lot more >>>>> interaction for simple tasks. double the key strokes for the same >>>>> actions as in ms is just a minor peev. i am quite worried that >>>>> running two or possibly three systems may become overwhelming when >>>>> begining a graduate program. i guess only time will tell. has >>>>> any >>>>> one written code for a quick check of the time? >>>>> >>>>> Have good evening, >>>>> >>>>> Pete >>>>> On Oct 21, 2009, at 11:51 AM, May McDonald wrote: >>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> Hi all, I guess I'll jump in on this thread as well. I haven't >>>>>> had >>>>>> my >>>>>> mac for 2 months yet, but pretty close. >>>>>> >>>>>> I'm amazed that I was able to make the switch so easily to the >>>>>> mac. >>>>>> In fact, now whenever I have to use a windows machine I finder >>>>>> it a >>>>>> little harder to think of the windows commands because they >>>>>> aren't >>>>>> used by me all the time anymore, smile. >>>>>> >>>>>> I will be putting windows 7 on this mac but again it won't be >>>>>> used >>>>>> all >>>>>> the time, only for scanning because I liked my scanning software >>>>>> for >>>>>> windows and to play games. Other than that, it will be hidden >>>>>> behind >>>>>> mac. >>>>>> >>>>>> I'm glad I made the switch and now go back to the basics and >>>>>> figure >>>>>> out how sly and vo work, lol. >>>>>> On 2009-10-21, at 8:41 AM, Donna Goodin wrote: >>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> Wow, Nic, you are a determined soul! :) I'm glad that after all >>>>>>> you >>>>>>> had to go through with the install, the Mac turned out to suit >>>>>>> your >>>>>>> needs. >>>>>>> >>>>>>> You people who have taken so readily to web-browsing on the Mac, >>>>>>> fascinate me. I keep playing with it, hoping to come to the >>>>>>> same >>>>>>> conclusion, but it just doesn't happen. For example, I am >>>>>>> currently >>>>>>> job-hunting, and the other night, received a job match from a >>>>>>> site I >>>>>>> am registered with. When Safari loaded the page and auto-read, >>>>>>> it >>>>>>> read everything just as you would expect. But then, I decided I >>>>>>> wanted to take a second look at the preferred qualifications. I >>>>>>> couldn't find them to save my soul! I arrowed around, I >>>>>>> interacted >>>>>>> with stuff, and nothing. So, I booted up my Pc, went into IE, >>>>>>> and >>>>>>> found what I was looking for in two seconds. And I still have no >>>>>>> clue >>>>>>> what I should have done to locate that info in Safari. I often >>>>>>> feel >>>>>>> like because of all the interacting and stuff, that viewing a >>>>>>> webpage >>>>>>> in Safari is like looking at it through tinted glass or >>>>>>> through a >>>>>>> veil >>>>>>> that only lets you see the outline of what you're looking at. >>>>>>> Links >>>>>>> of course are no problem, it's the text content that is often >>>>>>> very >>>>>>> difficult to locate. >>>>>>> >>>>>>> I highly recommend the iphone, I've found it to be a delightful >>>>>>> little >>>>>>> toy, um, I mean, device. *grin* >>>>>>> Cheers, >>>>>>> Donna >>>>>>> On Oct 21, 2009, at 11:03 AM, Nicolai Svendsen wrote: >>>>>>> >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> Hi, >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> Definitely quite an interesting story. >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> I got my Mac on August 1. It was actually an odd experience. I >>>>>>>> went >>>>>>>> to >>>>>>>> an Apple store a couple weeks prior to my purchase just to try >>>>>>>> it >>>>>>>> out. >>>>>>>> I had attempted to use OS X 10.4, Tiger in the past at an >>>>>>>> institute >>>>>>>> for the blind, but I actually didn't like it. I thought it was >>>>>>>> quite >>>>>>>> literally a pile of crap. >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> I start listening to podcasts that sighted and blind users have >>>>>>>> done >>>>>>>> for the Macintosh, and figure I'll give it another shot. I >>>>>>>> finally >>>>>>>> decided to purchase a Mac, because I had frankly become >>>>>>>> extremely >>>>>>>> frustrated with Windows and most certainly Vista. XP has always >>>>>>>> been >>>>>>>> my favorite if I do have to use Windows. I'd become tired of >>>>>>>> how >>>>>>>> many >>>>>>>> things you needed for Windows to work efficiently. Sometimes >>>>>>>> you >>>>>>>> had >>>>>>>> to worry about corrupted files, leftovers from previously >>>>>>>> installed >>>>>>>> applications, that sort of thing not to mention the registry. >>>>>>>> The >>>>>>>> headache. >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> So I decided to take the plunge. >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> I read through the entire VoiceOver manual the day before I >>>>>>>> went >>>>>>>> back >>>>>>>> to the store, and wrote down notes for the things I figured I'd >>>>>>>> mostly >>>>>>>> be using for a while. When I arrived at the store, I went to >>>>>>>> try >>>>>>>> it >>>>>>>> out again to make sure a Mac would be what I desired. It >>>>>>>> definitely >>>>>>>> was. So much that, in fact, that even though they only had a >>>>>>>> showroom >>>>>>>> floor model at the time, I grabbed it. The cleaned it off >>>>>>>> thoroughly, >>>>>>>> wrapped it up and tossed the DVDs I'd need in the box. I was >>>>>>>> happy. >>>>>>>> So >>>>>>>> very happy. >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> I arrive home, and I'm practically tingling with excitement. I >>>>>>>> almost >>>>>>>> rip the box apart (taking care of the DVDs of course), get out >>>>>>>> my >>>>>>>> shiny Macbook and hook it up. >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> Oh no! >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> What I did know was that I had to reinstall it, but I didn't >>>>>>>> care. I >>>>>>>> didn't want any of that junk on it they had installed to >>>>>>>> advertise. >>>>>>>> So >>>>>>>> i went ahead. I rebooted it, held down the C-key when the >>>>>>>> installation >>>>>>>> DVD had been sucked into the Mac and I heard the startup sound. >>>>>>>> It >>>>>>>> displayed the finder and spat out the DVD. Literally. So I >>>>>>>> decided >>>>>>>> that apparently wasn't working for whatever reason. I located >>>>>>>> the >>>>>>>> installer DVD in the finder and open it. Authentication. God >>>>>>>> dang >>>>>>>> it! >>>>>>>> Behold the password box. I was required to enter a password to >>>>>>>> proceed. Of course, the Macbook had not been set to require a >>>>>>>> password >>>>>>>> at login. >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> I call them at the store, and ask them for a password. I told >>>>>>>> them >>>>>>>> the >>>>>>>> C-key solution had not worked to boot from the DVD, and they >>>>>>>> promptly >>>>>>>> complied with my request. They gave me several passwords to >>>>>>>> enter, >>>>>>>> and >>>>>>>> I did. >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> "The name or password you entered is incorrect." >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> I went back to the store, and they had a look at it. Most >>>>>>>> annoying >>>>>>>> of >>>>>>>> all was that finally, the C-key actually seemed to work. I was >>>>>>>> installing it when I got home. By this point, I was like a kid >>>>>>>> on >>>>>>>> his >>>>>>>> birthday. >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> I thought I'd share my experience with all of you on the list. >>>>>>>> Yes, I >>>>>>>> am aware it's probably quite long-winded. But what can you >>>>>>>> do? I >>>>>>>> do >>>>>>>> run Windows as a virtual machine, but only to MUD. I do >>>>>>>> sometimes >>>>>>>> find >>>>>>>> it kind of annoying having to run two programs just to scan and >>>>>>>> recognize the image. That is why I liked Omnipage, and there >>>>>>>> has >>>>>>>> to >>>>>>>> be >>>>>>>> a solution out there that does exactly the same. >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> As for my web browsing experience, everything is much more >>>>>>>> smooth >>>>>>>> and >>>>>>>> responsive. I can easily find what I want by using the search >>>>>>>> feature >>>>>>>> in VoiceOver, and ever since Leopard was released the web rotor >>>>>>>> makes >>>>>>>> it even easier, not to mention Auto web spots. So yes, I do use >>>>>>>> Windows. Rarely, but I do. And I'm definitely not ashamed to >>>>>>>> admit >>>>>>>> it. >>>>>>>> But if a MUD client was accessible to VoiceOver, I would not >>>>>>>> touch >>>>>>>> it >>>>>>>> again. I've found my experience with Mac has not only been >>>>>>>> productive, >>>>>>>> but fun and enjoyable where as with Windows, I wanted to throw >>>>>>>> the >>>>>>>> machine through the window half the time I was using it due to >>>>>>>> freezes, driver errors and so-forth. >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> Well, I think I'm done now. I want an iPhone, now that you >>>>>>>> mention >>>>>>>> it, >>>>>>>> but at the same time you don't always need to have the latest >>>>>>>> and >>>>>>>> greatest. And I need to realize that. :P. Yes, I loved the >>>>>>>> iPhone >>>>>>>> and >>>>>>>> I'm used to the gestures since I use my trackpad quite a lot, >>>>>>>> but >>>>>>>> at >>>>>>>> the same time, I need a phone for text messaging and phone >>>>>>>> calls. >>>>>>>> That >>>>>>>> is about it. It'll probably be faster to accomplish those tasks >>>>>>>> with >>>>>>>> the iPhone, I have no doubt about it. Maybe one day I'll even >>>>>>>> get >>>>>>>> one. >>>>>>>> But when I find a really good reason except for all the apps >>>>>>>> you >>>>>>>> can >>>>>>>> seemingly install with no issues, perfectly usable, then I >>>>>>>> won't >>>>>>>> buy >>>>>>>> one. Besides, who wants to pay $99.95 for an iPhone plan in >>>>>>>> Denmark? >>>>>>>> Not me. >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> Have a great afternoon, folks. I at least know those living in >>>>>>>> the >>>>>>>> Eastern timezone are approaching lunch time. :) >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> Regards, >>>>>>>> Nic >>>>>>>> Skype: Kvalme >>>>>>>> MSN Messenger: nico...@home3.gvdnet.dk >>>>>>>> AIM: cincinster >>>>>>>> yahoo Messenger: cin368 >>>>>>>> Facebook Profile >>>>>>>> My Twitter >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> On Oct 21, 2009, at 4:17 PM, Donna Goodin wrote: >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> Hi all, >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> I Thought I'd weigh in here, since I got my Mac around the >>>>>>>>> same >>>>>>>>> time >>>>>>>>> almost, I'm going on three months now. >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> I agree with Anouk, and would add that I often find it's >>>>>>>>> easier >>>>>>>>> to >>>>>>>>> use my PC for work-related tasks. As I mentioned earlier, I >>>>>>>>> use >>>>>>>>> the >>>>>>>>> ap Blackboard, which I have to use Windows for, as Safari >>>>>>>>> isn't >>>>>>>>> currently supported.. Since I'm logged into Blackboard most >>>>>>>>> days, >>>>>>>>> that >>>>>>>>> sort of automatically means I'm using my PC, and the Mac gets >>>>>>>>> relegated to after-hours. >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> I also still strongly prefer web-browsing on my PC. I've had >>>>>>>>> so >>>>>>>>> many >>>>>>>>> experiences where on the Mac I simply cannot locate an item >>>>>>>>> that I >>>>>>>>> know is on a certain page. This never happens to me on the >>>>>>>>> PC. I >>>>>>>>> find >>>>>>>>> that when browsing, I can do things in half the time on my PC, >>>>>>>>> and >>>>>>>>> sometimes on the Mac, even after spending the extra time, I >>>>>>>>> don't >>>>>>>>> find >>>>>>>>> what I'm looking for, and end up going back to the PC anyway. >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> I'm an avid reader, and so do a lot of scanning. I really >>>>>>>>> don't >>>>>>>>> like >>>>>>>>> the idea of having to use two separate programs, one for >>>>>>>>> scanning >>>>>>>>> and >>>>>>>>> one for the OCR, especially when I have one program on my PC >>>>>>>>> that >>>>>>>>> will >>>>>>>>> do both jobs quite nicely. This of course isn't an Apple >>>>>>>>> issue, >>>>>>>>> but I >>>>>>>>> do think that for many of us who are blind, the lack of a good >>>>>>>>> solid >>>>>>>>> scanning/ocr option, is a real obstacle in terms of seeing the >>>>>>>>> Mac >>>>>>>>> as >>>>>>>>> a PC replacement. >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> Like Anouk, I've also pretty much decided to keep both a Mac >>>>>>>>> and a >>>>>>>>> PC. at least for now, though I confess I'm tempted some days >>>>>>>>> to >>>>>>>>> just >>>>>>>>> go back to my PC, in the interest of running just one OS on >>>>>>>>> one >>>>>>>>> computer. When I got my Mac, I had hoped not to upgrade to >>>>>>>>> JAWS >>>>>>>>> 11 >>>>>>>>> and Windows 7, but it looks like I'll be getting both. I use >>>>>>>>> my >>>>>>>>> PC >>>>>>>>> for >>>>>>>>> work, for scanning, and for most of my web browsing, which is >>>>>>>>> 90% >>>>>>>>> of >>>>>>>>> what I do. I like the Mac a lot. I like that VO is built >>>>>>>>> in, I >>>>>>>>> like >>>>>>>>> the speed and responsiveness of the Mac, I like the fact that >>>>>>>>> it >>>>>>>>> doesn't take a year to boot or load an ap, and I like working >>>>>>>>> with >>>>>>>>> Itunes (I'm still running 8.2.), and I think the Mac seems to >>>>>>>>> be >>>>>>>>> far >>>>>>>>> superior in how it works with Media. But the PC is what I go >>>>>>>>> to >>>>>>>>> for >>>>>>>>> the things I really need to get done. I think for me, my >>>>>>>>> experience >>>>>>>>> with the Mac reflects my experience with the iphone. When I >>>>>>>>> compare >>>>>>>>> my iphone with my old Windows Mobile phone, the iphone is much >>>>>>>>> more >>>>>>>>> fun! I love the aps, the games, the ability to quickly do >>>>>>>>> things >>>>>>>>> like >>>>>>>>> check weather, whereas my WM phone was loaded with all kinds >>>>>>>>> of >>>>>>>>> practical stuff for editing documents spreadsheets, >>>>>>>>> powerpoint, >>>>>>>>> and >>>>>>>>> so >>>>>>>>> on. I don't want to do any of that stuff on my phone, so for >>>>>>>>> me, >>>>>>>>> the >>>>>>>>> iphone is by far the better fit. but when it comes to a >>>>>>>>> computer, >>>>>>>>> it >>>>>>>>> cuts the other way, and I find myself favoring the PC which >>>>>>>>> seems >>>>>>>>> to >>>>>>>>> lend itself more to the day-to-day things I need to get done. >>>>>>>>> Best, >>>>>>>>> Donna >>>>>>>>> On Oct 21, 2009, at 5:05 AM, Nicolai Svendsen wrote: >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> Hi again folks, >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> Yes, broadcasts can certainly be done. Nicecast from Rogue >>>>>>>>>> Amoeba >>>>>>>>>> http://rogueamoeba.com >>>>>>>>>> works extremely well. The only issue seems to be the effects >>>>>>>>>> scroll >>>>>>>>>> area, but I hope they'll be working on that. Otherwise, it >>>>>>>>>> works >>>>>>>>>> ridiculously well, in fact, and I have nothing to complain >>>>>>>>>> about. >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> I'm not exactly sure about your Thumbkey thing. I don't get >>>>>>>>>> it. >>>>>>>>>> If >>>>>>>>>> you >>>>>>>>>> can elaborate? Maybe I'm being dense here. :). >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> As for VLC, I've never actually tried it out, and I >>>>>>>>>> personally >>>>>>>>>> love >>>>>>>>>> using Safari for web browsing. For me, everything is much >>>>>>>>>> faster. >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> Also, which braille display are you using? >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> Regards, >>>>>>>>>> Nic >>>>>>>>>> Skype: Kvalme >>>>>>>>>> MSN Messenger: nico...@home3.gvdnet.dk >>>>>>>>>> AIM: cincinster >>>>>>>>>> yahoo Messenger: cin368 >>>>>>>>>> Facebook Profile >>>>>>>>>> My Twitter >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> On Oct 21, 2009, at 10:22 AM, Tony Bernedal wrote: >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> Hi again. >>>>>>>>>>> Wow. Echomac, never heard of it but when I google it I found >>>>>>>>>>> http://echomac.sourceforge.net/ >>>>>>>>>>> I'll try it when I'm back home from work. >>>>>>>>>>> Anouk, I had a fire dtv reciever and used it with dvb viewer >>>>>>>>>>> on >>>>>>>>>>> windows and Eye tv have driver for it so I gave it a try but >>>>>>>>>>> it >>>>>>>>>>> doesn't work as I want at the moment. >>>>>>>>>>> I have readiris on the disk and I'm going to try it out and >>>>>>>>>>> see >>>>>>>>>>> how >>>>>>>>>>> it >>>>>>>>>>> works with swedish language and so on. >>>>>>>>>>> I have heard of some broadcast tools for mac but at the >>>>>>>>>>> moment I >>>>>>>>>>> haven't looked in to it. I don't broadcast at the moment so >>>>>>>>>>> it >>>>>>>>>>> doesn't >>>>>>>>>>> have so high priority. I still have my studio pc sitting >>>>>>>>>>> under >>>>>>>>>>> the >>>>>>>>>>> desk so I can use stationplaylist and all the broadcast >>>>>>>>>>> stuff >>>>>>>>>>> if I >>>>>>>>>>> want to. >>>>>>>>>>> Regards Tony >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> 2009/10/21, a radix <anou...@home.nl>: >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> Hey Tony, Nice to hear from you! (the world is a small >>>>>>>>>>>> place) >>>>>>>>>>>> Funny >>>>>>>>>>>> we >>>>>>>>>>>> started our mac journey at the seem time. I am curious, can >>>>>>>>>>>> you >>>>>>>>>>>> broadcast on >>>>>>>>>>>> the mac? I guess otsjuke wont work and obiously shoutcast >>>>>>>>>>>> wont >>>>>>>>>>>> either. I was >>>>>>>>>>>> thinking of running windows with vmware but now I am just >>>>>>>>>>>> thinking >>>>>>>>>>>> to ask my >>>>>>>>>>>> brother to help me install windows 7 via bootcamp instead. >>>>>>>>>>>> Has >>>>>>>>>>>> anyone got >>>>>>>>>>>> experience with installing windows via bootcamp as dual >>>>>>>>>>>> boot? >>>>>>>>>>>> Is >>>>>>>>>>>> it >>>>>>>>>>>> diffucult? I presume the drivers for windows 7 for the >>>>>>>>>>>> macbook >>>>>>>>>>>> pro >>>>>>>>>>>> will be >>>>>>>>>>>> available from apple? I still want to try vuescan an >>>>>>>>>>>> dreadiris, >>>>>>>>>>>> in >>>>>>>>>>>> fact i >>>>>>>>>>>> have the programs on my computer bu tI want to wait till hp >>>>>>>>>>>> releases the >>>>>>>>>>>> drivers for my scanner that are native to sl, also I hope >>>>>>>>>>>> by >>>>>>>>>>>> that >>>>>>>>>>>> time abbyy >>>>>>>>>>>> will have released a demo of finereader for the mac that is >>>>>>>>>>>> native >>>>>>>>>>>> to sl. I >>>>>>>>>>>> am just concerned that either adf wont work, scanning iwll >>>>>>>>>>>> be >>>>>>>>>>>> very >>>>>>>>>>>> slow or >>>>>>>>>>>> dutch character recognition wont be as good as omnipage. >>>>>>>>>>>> I am surprised that you also have the thumbkey problem, i >>>>>>>>>>>> thought >>>>>>>>>>>> it was >>>>>>>>>>>> something stupid on my part, corrupt install whatever. I >>>>>>>>>>>> guess >>>>>>>>>>>> we >>>>>>>>>>>> will both >>>>>>>>>>>> have to mail apple accessibility about this. >>>>>>>>>>>> So, you are using a tv tuner with your mac? This is the >>>>>>>>>>>> next >>>>>>>>>>>> thing >>>>>>>>>>>> i want to >>>>>>>>>>>> taccle since now I have an analog tv standing on my desk >>>>>>>>>>>> and >>>>>>>>>>>> it >>>>>>>>>>>> is >>>>>>>>>>>> taking up >>>>>>>>>>>> space that I could use otherwise. I did have digital tv in >>>>>>>>>>>> the >>>>>>>>>>>> past >>>>>>>>>>>> bu tI >>>>>>>>>>>> had a lot of trouble with it and in the end just went back >>>>>>>>>>>> to >>>>>>>>>>>> analog. There >>>>>>>>>>>> are not that many tuners for the mac I think (analog or >>>>>>>>>>>> otherwise) >>>>>>>>>>>> and I >>>>>>>>>>>> guess even less that are available in Europe. Which do you >>>>>>>>>>>> use? I >>>>>>>>>>>> guess as >>>>>>>>>>>> long as I get one with a remote things will be ok (if it >>>>>>>>>>>> indeed >>>>>>>>>>>> can >>>>>>>>>>>> find the >>>>>>>>>>>> channels). >>>>>>>>>>>> I too LOVE the sleep features of the mac, i never turn mine >>>>>>>>>>>> off, >>>>>>>>>>>> just close >>>>>>>>>>>> the lid and thats it. >>>>>>>>>>>> Greetings, Anouk, >>>>>>>>>>>> ----- Original Message ----- >>>>>>>>>>>> From: "Tony Bernedal" <t...@bernedal.net> >>>>>>>>>>>> To: <macvisionaries@googlegroups.com> >>>>>>>>>>>> Sent: Wednesday, October 21, 2009 9:16 AM >>>>>>>>>>>> Subject: Re: my 2 months with a mac >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>> Hi Anouk. >>>>>>>>>>>>> I have also used my mac for around 3 months now, and like >>>>>>>>>>>>> you I >>>>>>>>>>>>> still >>>>>>>>>>>>> use windows for a couple of things. I trying to get the >>>>>>>>>>>>> scanning >>>>>>>>>>>>> and >>>>>>>>>>>>> ocr to work on the mac but for now windows and omnipage >>>>>>>>>>>>> have >>>>>>>>>>>>> to >>>>>>>>>>>>> do >>>>>>>>>>>>> the >>>>>>>>>>>>> jobb. I had a license for windows xp lying on the shelf >>>>>>>>>>>>> from a >>>>>>>>>>>>> no >>>>>>>>>>>>> longer working laptop and I installed xp with vmware as a >>>>>>>>>>>>> virtual >>>>>>>>>>>>> machine and doing my scanning there and it works good but >>>>>>>>>>>>> the >>>>>>>>>>>>> virtual >>>>>>>>>>>>> machine is very slow. I also use windows for Echolink, >>>>>>>>>>>>> wich >>>>>>>>>>>>> is a >>>>>>>>>>>>> ham-radio software wich don't exist on the mac. Also the >>>>>>>>>>>>> software >>>>>>>>>>>>> to >>>>>>>>>>>>> setup and program my hamradio stations is only windows >>>>>>>>>>>>> programs. >>>>>>>>>>>>> I'm >>>>>>>>>>>>> very happy mac user now and after some updates to snow >>>>>>>>>>>>> leopard >>>>>>>>>>>>> my >>>>>>>>>>>>> problems with it is gone. >>>>>>>>>>>>> I hope the issue with the thumbkey on your display can be >>>>>>>>>>>>> solved. I >>>>>>>>>>>>> have same issue with alva satelite. >>>>>>>>>>>>> I also have a battle with EyeTV software wich for some odd >>>>>>>>>>>>> reason >>>>>>>>>>>>> doesn't find my tv channels on the cable network. And it >>>>>>>>>>>>> is >>>>>>>>>>>>> also >>>>>>>>>>>>> very >>>>>>>>>>>>> tricky to use with VO. I use VLC for webradio and movies >>>>>>>>>>>>> and >>>>>>>>>>>>> it >>>>>>>>>>>>> works >>>>>>>>>>>>> great (vlc version 1.x doesn't work under windows and >>>>>>>>>>>>> linux >>>>>>>>>>>>> at >>>>>>>>>>>>> all >>>>>>>>>>>>> with screenreader, only on mac, great!). >>>>>>>>>>>>> And I also like the speed, starting my windows pc here at >>>>>>>>>>>>> works >>>>>>>>>>>>> take >>>>>>>>>>>>> forever and the mac is at the desktop in almost 0 time. >>>>>>>>>>>>> And, >>>>>>>>>>>>> the >>>>>>>>>>>>> sleep >>>>>>>>>>>>> works well too. >>>>>>>>>>>>> So I'm happy with my mac system. >>>>>>>>>>>>> Good luck with your mac! >>>>>>>>>>>>> Regards Tony >>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>> 2009/10/21, a radix <anou...@home.nl>: >>>>>>>>>>>>>> Hello, I have been using my mac for about 2 months now >>>>>>>>>>>>>> especially >>>>>>>>>>>>>> at >>>>>>>>>>>>>> school >>>>>>>>>>>>>> although at home I still often use my pc and I will >>>>>>>>>>>>>> explain >>>>>>>>>>>>>> below >>>>>>>>>>>>>> why. In >>>>>>>>>>>>>> general my experiences with the mac have been very >>>>>>>>>>>>>> positive >>>>>>>>>>>>>> especially >>>>>>>>>>>>>> after >>>>>>>>>>>>>> installing snow leopard. I can use skype and msn just as >>>>>>>>>>>>>> well >>>>>>>>>>>>>> as >>>>>>>>>>>>>> on my >>>>>>>>>>>>>> pc. >>>>>>>>>>>>>> And after I dumped itunes and started using vlc instead >>>>>>>>>>>>>> watching >>>>>>>>>>>>>> movies >>>>>>>>>>>>>> and >>>>>>>>>>>>>> listening to music became a breeze. I recently bought >>>>>>>>>>>>>> apples >>>>>>>>>>>>>> office suite >>>>>>>>>>>>>> because I prefer that over using textedit or the free >>>>>>>>>>>>>> text >>>>>>>>>>>>>> editors/office >>>>>>>>>>>>>> suits that are available. I am also intending to go and >>>>>>>>>>>>>> use >>>>>>>>>>>>>> garage band >>>>>>>>>>>>>> in >>>>>>>>>>>>>> the future if I can get that working with my yamaha >>>>>>>>>>>>>> keyboard. I >>>>>>>>>>>>>> like the >>>>>>>>>>>>>> built-in speakers and sound quality alhtough listening >>>>>>>>>>>>>> through >>>>>>>>>>>>>> its sound >>>>>>>>>>>>>> output with my own in ear monitors is nothing special. I >>>>>>>>>>>>>> still >>>>>>>>>>>>>> find using >>>>>>>>>>>>>> the internet on the mac a bit mor ework then i did while >>>>>>>>>>>>>> using >>>>>>>>>>>>>> my >>>>>>>>>>>>>> pc and >>>>>>>>>>>>>> it >>>>>>>>>>>>>> goes a bit slower also when reading docucments i notice >>>>>>>>>>>>>> that I >>>>>>>>>>>>>> cannot >>>>>>>>>>>>>> endlessly use the right thumb key on my braille display >>>>>>>>>>>>>> to >>>>>>>>>>>>>> continue >>>>>>>>>>>>>> reading, >>>>>>>>>>>>>> eventually i have to press the right arrow on my normal >>>>>>>>>>>>>> keyboard >>>>>>>>>>>>>> if I >>>>>>>>>>>>>> want >>>>>>>>>>>>>> to read onm. This does become irritating after a while if >>>>>>>>>>>>>> you >>>>>>>>>>>>>> need to >>>>>>>>>>>>>> read >>>>>>>>>>>>>> long documents. >>>>>>>>>>>>>> At home I still mostly use my windows pc although i now >>>>>>>>>>>>>> have >>>>>>>>>>>>>> gotten mail >>>>>>>>>>>>>> working on the mac as well because 1. I use omnipage pro >>>>>>>>>>>>>> 16 >>>>>>>>>>>>>> under >>>>>>>>>>>>>> windows >>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>> to >>>>>>>>>>>>>> scan my books for school, while I know that there are >>>>>>>>>>>>>> some >>>>>>>>>>>>>> scanning >>>>>>>>>>>>>> solutions for the mac that i will probbably try once the >>>>>>>>>>>>>> hp >>>>>>>>>>>>>> drivers for >>>>>>>>>>>>>> sl >>>>>>>>>>>>>> have been released I just dont know if they will be as >>>>>>>>>>>>>> good >>>>>>>>>>>>>> and >>>>>>>>>>>>>> easy as >>>>>>>>>>>>>> using omnipage pro 16 and am a bit hesistant to try it >>>>>>>>>>>>>> because >>>>>>>>>>>>>> of >>>>>>>>>>>>>> that (I >>>>>>>>>>>>>> really really hope that a full version of finereader will >>>>>>>>>>>>>> eventually be >>>>>>>>>>>>>> released for the mac since I have heard it can rival >>>>>>>>>>>>>> omnipage >>>>>>>>>>>>>> pro). >>>>>>>>>>>>>> Secondly there is filesharing, i will be brief. Ftp does >>>>>>>>>>>>>> work >>>>>>>>>>>>>> on >>>>>>>>>>>>>> the mac >>>>>>>>>>>>>> with transmit which I rather like although I have not >>>>>>>>>>>>>> registered >>>>>>>>>>>>>> it yet, >>>>>>>>>>>>>> questions i asked its support team went unanswered. >>>>>>>>>>>>>> Usenet >>>>>>>>>>>>>> also >>>>>>>>>>>>>> works but >>>>>>>>>>>>>> udner windows I preferred to use other programs which are >>>>>>>>>>>>>> not >>>>>>>>>>>>>> available >>>>>>>>>>>>>> on >>>>>>>>>>>>>> the mac. >>>>>>>>>>>>>> The third point is playing games which I do a lot on the >>>>>>>>>>>>>> pec >>>>>>>>>>>>>> especially >>>>>>>>>>>>>> interactive fiction and muds. There is an interpreter for >>>>>>>>>>>>>> interactive >>>>>>>>>>>>>> fiction called zoom which I tried and although I can open >>>>>>>>>>>>>> games >>>>>>>>>>>>>> with it >>>>>>>>>>>>>> saved games were a problem for me since I could not >>>>>>>>>>>>>> open a >>>>>>>>>>>>>> saved >>>>>>>>>>>>>> game >>>>>>>>>>>>>> file >>>>>>>>>>>>>> (made in frotz). >>>>>>>>>>>>>> For muds the situation on the mac is not so good, I play >>>>>>>>>>>>>> them >>>>>>>>>>>>>> all >>>>>>>>>>>>>> the >>>>>>>>>>>>>> time >>>>>>>>>>>>>> on windows but there is only one mudclient that I know of >>>>>>>>>>>>>> which >>>>>>>>>>>>>> works >>>>>>>>>>>>>> under >>>>>>>>>>>>>> sl and which is still being developed, jamochamud which >>>>>>>>>>>>>> works >>>>>>>>>>>>>> under java. >>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>> It >>>>>>>>>>>>>> is not too accessible at the moment but the programmer >>>>>>>>>>>>>> has >>>>>>>>>>>>>> promised to >>>>>>>>>>>>>> look >>>>>>>>>>>>>> at it, still it does not offer all the features even then >>>>>>>>>>>>>> that I >>>>>>>>>>>>>> am used >>>>>>>>>>>>>> to >>>>>>>>>>>>>> on a windows client. >>>>>>>>>>>>>> As soon as windows 7 becomes officially available I am >>>>>>>>>>>>>> planning >>>>>>>>>>>>>> to >>>>>>>>>>>>>> install >>>>>>>>>>>>>> it on my mac (probbably via bootcamp) so that I at least >>>>>>>>>>>>>> can >>>>>>>>>>>>>> use >>>>>>>>>>>>>> my mac >>>>>>>>>>>>>> all >>>>>>>>>>>>>> the time even if I need to use windows, hopefully for the >>>>>>>>>>>>>> scanning and >>>>>>>>>>>>>> downloading tasks I will in the future be able to use the >>>>>>>>>>>>>> mac >>>>>>>>>>>>>> and >>>>>>>>>>>>>> I have >>>>>>>>>>>>>> hopes for muds as well but for now at least my mac is >>>>>>>>>>>>>> mostly >>>>>>>>>>>>>> used >>>>>>>>>>>>>> at >>>>>>>>>>>>>> school >>>>>>>>>>>>>> and in the library. >>>>>>>>>>>>>> Greetings, Anouk, >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>>> >>>> >>>> >>>>> >>> >>> >>>> >> >> >>> > > > > --~--~---------~--~----~------------~-------~--~----~ You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "MacVisionaries" group. 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