Hi, I absolutely love the iPhone. I Skyped to someone on this list. She gave me some very good advice, and I wish I had taken it before trying it. She simply said, "Don't." and I see why. I didn't want to put down this amazing gadget of godlyness. I don't praise it, but I was definitely amazed. I personally commend Apple for making mainstream devices accessible, and integrating a screen reader into their operating system. It amazes me every time I have to use the DVD, or if I need to help a sighted Mac user at university.
Again, if someone can point out some great advantage the iPhone provides for a frequent text message sender, not to mention phone calls as opposed to an N95, go right ahead. :). I'll probably get it eventually, anyway, maybe. I like the threaded messaging, but if there is anything else? Regards, Nic Skype: Kvalme MSN Messenger: nico...@home3.gvdnet.dk AIM: cincinster yahoo Messenger: cin368 Facebook Profile My Twitter On Jan 9, 2001, at 2:35 AM, sandi sørensen wrote: > > hi all. > Think i will cheer in as well. > When i started with the mac, it is now over 2 years ago I was quite > skeptical. I needed a os where i could just use it with out knowing a > ton of commands, I had at that time used windows after coming from > linux, and okay jaws was quite cute and all that for longer reads, but > it was still like something was missing. > I always had too take dang good care not too crash the windows > installation cause i could not self install it. I soon found out with > the mac book i had at that time it was not the case. I remember when i > had too up-grate from tiger too leopard which i had got on a extra cd > from the shop, i put it in and booted it up and followed the > instructions and vuula like as by magic it worked! > I was speechless. Could it really be that simple? > Yes it could! > Over the next years i have got a mac book air a few minnis a xserve > and a mpb and latest a iphone, I use if not all then the most of my > computers everyday and ya know what ? it just works... > I dont have too use hours and hours digging around in a ton of obscure > programs just cause i wanna read a book or scan a book, log on too irc > chat with my friends in there or something else. > Now with the iphone i can get around more easily with its gps. And do > allot of things i may or may not wanna do,I dont say it is magical but > we are pretty close... > If you train dogs as a professional as i do you dont have the energy > to mess in your computer cause you want something done. > But, because there is a but, should i want togo all female and get all > geeky there certainly are that option as well. > I would for example not have been able too fly my rc plane with out > the mac. I dont agree with all apple do, but that is religion, and as > long as it is as good as this i am cheerfully happy just being the > blonde writing happily or training her dogs for her clients. > There are a few things i believe windows can do better than my mac. > One of them is scanning, but i can be wrong on that account. > /sandi > On Oct 21, 2009, at 5:16 PM, peter apgar wrote: > >> >> well said all, >> >> there are several cool factors for the mac os. one of which is the >> fact that we don't have to pay extra for the accessibility. however >> the largest down fall is the majority of work places do not support >> OSX. for this reason alone i only have limited time to explore its >> virtues. i will second the same issues that Donna posted >> previously. additionally i have found that there is a lot more >> interaction for simple tasks. double the key strokes for the same >> actions as in ms is just a minor peev. i am quite worried that >> running two or possibly three systems may become overwhelming when >> begining a graduate program. i guess only time will tell. has any >> one written code for a quick check of the time? >> >> Have good evening, >> >> Pete >> On Oct 21, 2009, at 11:51 AM, May McDonald wrote: >> >>> >>> Hi all, I guess I'll jump in on this thread as well. I haven't had >>> my >>> mac for 2 months yet, but pretty close. >>> >>> I'm amazed that I was able to make the switch so easily to the mac. >>> In fact, now whenever I have to use a windows machine I finder it a >>> little harder to think of the windows commands because they aren't >>> used by me all the time anymore, smile. >>> >>> I will be putting windows 7 on this mac but again it won't be used >>> all >>> the time, only for scanning because I liked my scanning software for >>> windows and to play games. Other than that, it will be hidden >>> behind >>> mac. >>> >>> I'm glad I made the switch and now go back to the basics and figure >>> out how sly and vo work, lol. >>> On 2009-10-21, at 8:41 AM, Donna Goodin wrote: >>> >>>> >>>> Wow, Nic, you are a determined soul! :) I'm glad that after all >>>> you >>>> had to go through with the install, the Mac turned out to suit your >>>> needs. >>>> >>>> You people who have taken so readily to web-browsing on the Mac, >>>> fascinate me. I keep playing with it, hoping to come to the same >>>> conclusion, but it just doesn't happen. For example, I am >>>> currently >>>> job-hunting, and the other night, received a job match from a >>>> site I >>>> am registered with. When Safari loaded the page and auto-read, it >>>> read everything just as you would expect. But then, I decided I >>>> wanted to take a second look at the preferred qualifications. I >>>> couldn't find them to save my soul! I arrowed around, I interacted >>>> with stuff, and nothing. So, I booted up my Pc, went into IE, and >>>> found what I was looking for in two seconds. And I still have no >>>> clue >>>> what I should have done to locate that info in Safari. I often >>>> feel >>>> like because of all the interacting and stuff, that viewing a >>>> webpage >>>> in Safari is like looking at it through tinted glass or through a >>>> veil >>>> that only lets you see the outline of what you're looking at. >>>> Links >>>> of course are no problem, it's the text content that is often very >>>> difficult to locate. >>>> >>>> I highly recommend the iphone, I've found it to be a delightful >>>> little >>>> toy, um, I mean, device. *grin* >>>> Cheers, >>>> Donna >>>> On Oct 21, 2009, at 11:03 AM, Nicolai Svendsen wrote: >>>> >>>>> >>>>> Hi, >>>>> >>>>> Definitely quite an interesting story. >>>>> >>>>> I got my Mac on August 1. It was actually an odd experience. I >>>>> went >>>>> to >>>>> an Apple store a couple weeks prior to my purchase just to try it >>>>> out. >>>>> I had attempted to use OS X 10.4, Tiger in the past at an >>>>> institute >>>>> for the blind, but I actually didn't like it. I thought it was >>>>> quite >>>>> literally a pile of crap. >>>>> >>>>> I start listening to podcasts that sighted and blind users have >>>>> done >>>>> for the Macintosh, and figure I'll give it another shot. I finally >>>>> decided to purchase a Mac, because I had frankly become extremely >>>>> frustrated with Windows and most certainly Vista. XP has always >>>>> been >>>>> my favorite if I do have to use Windows. I'd become tired of how >>>>> many >>>>> things you needed for Windows to work efficiently. Sometimes you >>>>> had >>>>> to worry about corrupted files, leftovers from previously >>>>> installed >>>>> applications, that sort of thing not to mention the registry. The >>>>> headache. >>>>> >>>>> So I decided to take the plunge. >>>>> >>>>> I read through the entire VoiceOver manual the day before I went >>>>> back >>>>> to the store, and wrote down notes for the things I figured I'd >>>>> mostly >>>>> be using for a while. When I arrived at the store, I went to try >>>>> it >>>>> out again to make sure a Mac would be what I desired. It >>>>> definitely >>>>> was. So much that, in fact, that even though they only had a >>>>> showroom >>>>> floor model at the time, I grabbed it. The cleaned it off >>>>> thoroughly, >>>>> wrapped it up and tossed the DVDs I'd need in the box. I was >>>>> happy. >>>>> So >>>>> very happy. >>>>> >>>>> I arrive home, and I'm practically tingling with excitement. I >>>>> almost >>>>> rip the box apart (taking care of the DVDs of course), get out my >>>>> shiny Macbook and hook it up. >>>>> >>>>> Oh no! >>>>> >>>>> What I did know was that I had to reinstall it, but I didn't >>>>> care. I >>>>> didn't want any of that junk on it they had installed to >>>>> advertise. >>>>> So >>>>> i went ahead. I rebooted it, held down the C-key when the >>>>> installation >>>>> DVD had been sucked into the Mac and I heard the startup sound. It >>>>> displayed the finder and spat out the DVD. Literally. So I decided >>>>> that apparently wasn't working for whatever reason. I located the >>>>> installer DVD in the finder and open it. Authentication. God dang >>>>> it! >>>>> Behold the password box. I was required to enter a password to >>>>> proceed. Of course, the Macbook had not been set to require a >>>>> password >>>>> at login. >>>>> >>>>> I call them at the store, and ask them for a password. I told them >>>>> the >>>>> C-key solution had not worked to boot from the DVD, and they >>>>> promptly >>>>> complied with my request. They gave me several passwords to enter, >>>>> and >>>>> I did. >>>>> >>>>> "The name or password you entered is incorrect." >>>>> >>>>> I went back to the store, and they had a look at it. Most annoying >>>>> of >>>>> all was that finally, the C-key actually seemed to work. I was >>>>> installing it when I got home. By this point, I was like a kid on >>>>> his >>>>> birthday. >>>>> >>>>> I thought I'd share my experience with all of you on the list. >>>>> Yes, I >>>>> am aware it's probably quite long-winded. But what can you do? I >>>>> do >>>>> run Windows as a virtual machine, but only to MUD. I do sometimes >>>>> find >>>>> it kind of annoying having to run two programs just to scan and >>>>> recognize the image. That is why I liked Omnipage, and there has >>>>> to >>>>> be >>>>> a solution out there that does exactly the same. >>>>> >>>>> As for my web browsing experience, everything is much more smooth >>>>> and >>>>> responsive. I can easily find what I want by using the search >>>>> feature >>>>> in VoiceOver, and ever since Leopard was released the web rotor >>>>> makes >>>>> it even easier, not to mention Auto web spots. So yes, I do use >>>>> Windows. Rarely, but I do. And I'm definitely not ashamed to admit >>>>> it. >>>>> But if a MUD client was accessible to VoiceOver, I would not touch >>>>> it >>>>> again. I've found my experience with Mac has not only been >>>>> productive, >>>>> but fun and enjoyable where as with Windows, I wanted to throw the >>>>> machine through the window half the time I was using it due to >>>>> freezes, driver errors and so-forth. >>>>> >>>>> Well, I think I'm done now. I want an iPhone, now that you mention >>>>> it, >>>>> but at the same time you don't always need to have the latest and >>>>> greatest. And I need to realize that. :P. Yes, I loved the iPhone >>>>> and >>>>> I'm used to the gestures since I use my trackpad quite a lot, but >>>>> at >>>>> the same time, I need a phone for text messaging and phone calls. >>>>> That >>>>> is about it. It'll probably be faster to accomplish those tasks >>>>> with >>>>> the iPhone, I have no doubt about it. Maybe one day I'll even get >>>>> one. >>>>> But when I find a really good reason except for all the apps you >>>>> can >>>>> seemingly install with no issues, perfectly usable, then I won't >>>>> buy >>>>> one. Besides, who wants to pay $99.95 for an iPhone plan in >>>>> Denmark? >>>>> Not me. >>>>> >>>>> Have a great afternoon, folks. I at least know those living in the >>>>> Eastern timezone are approaching lunch time. :) >>>>> >>>>> Regards, >>>>> Nic >>>>> Skype: Kvalme >>>>> MSN Messenger: nico...@home3.gvdnet.dk >>>>> AIM: cincinster >>>>> yahoo Messenger: cin368 >>>>> Facebook Profile >>>>> My Twitter >>>>> >>>>> On Oct 21, 2009, at 4:17 PM, Donna Goodin wrote: >>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> Hi all, >>>>>> >>>>>> I Thought I'd weigh in here, since I got my Mac around the same >>>>>> time >>>>>> almost, I'm going on three months now. >>>>>> >>>>>> I agree with Anouk, and would add that I often find it's easier >>>>>> to >>>>>> use my PC for work-related tasks. As I mentioned earlier, I use >>>>>> the >>>>>> ap Blackboard, which I have to use Windows for, as Safari isn't >>>>>> currently supported.. Since I'm logged into Blackboard most days, >>>>>> that >>>>>> sort of automatically means I'm using my PC, and the Mac gets >>>>>> relegated to after-hours. >>>>>> >>>>>> I also still strongly prefer web-browsing on my PC. I've had so >>>>>> many >>>>>> experiences where on the Mac I simply cannot locate an item >>>>>> that I >>>>>> know is on a certain page. This never happens to me on the PC. I >>>>>> find >>>>>> that when browsing, I can do things in half the time on my PC, >>>>>> and >>>>>> sometimes on the Mac, even after spending the extra time, I don't >>>>>> find >>>>>> what I'm looking for, and end up going back to the PC anyway. >>>>>> >>>>>> I'm an avid reader, and so do a lot of scanning. I really don't >>>>>> like >>>>>> the idea of having to use two separate programs, one for scanning >>>>>> and >>>>>> one for the OCR, especially when I have one program on my PC that >>>>>> will >>>>>> do both jobs quite nicely. This of course isn't an Apple issue, >>>>>> but I >>>>>> do think that for many of us who are blind, the lack of a good >>>>>> solid >>>>>> scanning/ocr option, is a real obstacle in terms of seeing the >>>>>> Mac >>>>>> as >>>>>> a PC replacement. >>>>>> >>>>>> Like Anouk, I've also pretty much decided to keep both a Mac >>>>>> and a >>>>>> PC. at least for now, though I confess I'm tempted some days to >>>>>> just >>>>>> go back to my PC, in the interest of running just one OS on one >>>>>> computer. When I got my Mac, I had hoped not to upgrade to JAWS >>>>>> 11 >>>>>> and Windows 7, but it looks like I'll be getting both. I use my >>>>>> PC >>>>>> for >>>>>> work, for scanning, and for most of my web browsing, which is 90% >>>>>> of >>>>>> what I do. I like the Mac a lot. I like that VO is built in, I >>>>>> like >>>>>> the speed and responsiveness of the Mac, I like the fact that it >>>>>> doesn't take a year to boot or load an ap, and I like working >>>>>> with >>>>>> Itunes (I'm still running 8.2.), and I think the Mac seems to be >>>>>> far >>>>>> superior in how it works with Media. But the PC is what I go to >>>>>> for >>>>>> the things I really need to get done. I think for me, my >>>>>> experience >>>>>> with the Mac reflects my experience with the iphone. When I >>>>>> compare >>>>>> my iphone with my old Windows Mobile phone, the iphone is much >>>>>> more >>>>>> fun! I love the aps, the games, the ability to quickly do things >>>>>> like >>>>>> check weather, whereas my WM phone was loaded with all kinds of >>>>>> practical stuff for editing documents spreadsheets, powerpoint, >>>>>> and >>>>>> so >>>>>> on. I don't want to do any of that stuff on my phone, so for me, >>>>>> the >>>>>> iphone is by far the better fit. but when it comes to a >>>>>> computer, >>>>>> it >>>>>> cuts the other way, and I find myself favoring the PC which seems >>>>>> to >>>>>> lend itself more to the day-to-day things I need to get done. >>>>>> Best, >>>>>> Donna >>>>>> On Oct 21, 2009, at 5:05 AM, Nicolai Svendsen wrote: >>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> Hi again folks, >>>>>>> >>>>>>> Yes, broadcasts can certainly be done. Nicecast from Rogue >>>>>>> Amoeba >>>>>>> http://rogueamoeba.com >>>>>>> works extremely well. The only issue seems to be the effects >>>>>>> scroll >>>>>>> area, but I hope they'll be working on that. Otherwise, it works >>>>>>> ridiculously well, in fact, and I have nothing to complain >>>>>>> about. >>>>>>> >>>>>>> I'm not exactly sure about your Thumbkey thing. I don't get it. >>>>>>> If >>>>>>> you >>>>>>> can elaborate? Maybe I'm being dense here. :). >>>>>>> >>>>>>> As for VLC, I've never actually tried it out, and I personally >>>>>>> love >>>>>>> using Safari for web browsing. For me, everything is much >>>>>>> faster. >>>>>>> >>>>>>> Also, which braille display are you using? >>>>>>> >>>>>>> Regards, >>>>>>> Nic >>>>>>> Skype: Kvalme >>>>>>> MSN Messenger: nico...@home3.gvdnet.dk >>>>>>> AIM: cincinster >>>>>>> yahoo Messenger: cin368 >>>>>>> Facebook Profile >>>>>>> My Twitter >>>>>>> >>>>>>> On Oct 21, 2009, at 10:22 AM, Tony Bernedal wrote: >>>>>>> >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> Hi again. >>>>>>>> Wow. Echomac, never heard of it but when I google it I found >>>>>>>> http://echomac.sourceforge.net/ >>>>>>>> I'll try it when I'm back home from work. >>>>>>>> Anouk, I had a fire dtv reciever and used it with dvb viewer on >>>>>>>> windows and Eye tv have driver for it so I gave it a try but it >>>>>>>> doesn't work as I want at the moment. >>>>>>>> I have readiris on the disk and I'm going to try it out and see >>>>>>>> how >>>>>>>> it >>>>>>>> works with swedish language and so on. >>>>>>>> I have heard of some broadcast tools for mac but at the >>>>>>>> moment I >>>>>>>> haven't looked in to it. I don't broadcast at the moment so it >>>>>>>> doesn't >>>>>>>> have so high priority. I still have my studio pc sitting under >>>>>>>> the >>>>>>>> desk so I can use stationplaylist and all the broadcast stuff >>>>>>>> if I >>>>>>>> want to. >>>>>>>> Regards Tony >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> 2009/10/21, a radix <anou...@home.nl>: >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> Hey Tony, Nice to hear from you! (the world is a small place) >>>>>>>>> Funny >>>>>>>>> we >>>>>>>>> started our mac journey at the seem time. I am curious, can >>>>>>>>> you >>>>>>>>> broadcast on >>>>>>>>> the mac? I guess otsjuke wont work and obiously shoutcast wont >>>>>>>>> either. I was >>>>>>>>> thinking of running windows with vmware but now I am just >>>>>>>>> thinking >>>>>>>>> to ask my >>>>>>>>> brother to help me install windows 7 via bootcamp instead. Has >>>>>>>>> anyone got >>>>>>>>> experience with installing windows via bootcamp as dual boot? >>>>>>>>> Is >>>>>>>>> it >>>>>>>>> diffucult? I presume the drivers for windows 7 for the macbook >>>>>>>>> pro >>>>>>>>> will be >>>>>>>>> available from apple? I still want to try vuescan an >>>>>>>>> dreadiris, >>>>>>>>> in >>>>>>>>> fact i >>>>>>>>> have the programs on my computer bu tI want to wait till hp >>>>>>>>> releases the >>>>>>>>> drivers for my scanner that are native to sl, also I hope by >>>>>>>>> that >>>>>>>>> time abbyy >>>>>>>>> will have released a demo of finereader for the mac that is >>>>>>>>> native >>>>>>>>> to sl. I >>>>>>>>> am just concerned that either adf wont work, scanning iwll be >>>>>>>>> very >>>>>>>>> slow or >>>>>>>>> dutch character recognition wont be as good as omnipage. >>>>>>>>> I am surprised that you also have the thumbkey problem, i >>>>>>>>> thought >>>>>>>>> it was >>>>>>>>> something stupid on my part, corrupt install whatever. I guess >>>>>>>>> we >>>>>>>>> will both >>>>>>>>> have to mail apple accessibility about this. >>>>>>>>> So, you are using a tv tuner with your mac? This is the next >>>>>>>>> thing >>>>>>>>> i want to >>>>>>>>> taccle since now I have an analog tv standing on my desk and >>>>>>>>> it >>>>>>>>> is >>>>>>>>> taking up >>>>>>>>> space that I could use otherwise. I did have digital tv in the >>>>>>>>> past >>>>>>>>> bu tI >>>>>>>>> had a lot of trouble with it and in the end just went back to >>>>>>>>> analog. There >>>>>>>>> are not that many tuners for the mac I think (analog or >>>>>>>>> otherwise) >>>>>>>>> and I >>>>>>>>> guess even less that are available in Europe. Which do you >>>>>>>>> use? I >>>>>>>>> guess as >>>>>>>>> long as I get one with a remote things will be ok (if it >>>>>>>>> indeed >>>>>>>>> can >>>>>>>>> find the >>>>>>>>> channels). >>>>>>>>> I too LOVE the sleep features of the mac, i never turn mine >>>>>>>>> off, >>>>>>>>> just close >>>>>>>>> the lid and thats it. >>>>>>>>> Greetings, Anouk, >>>>>>>>> ----- Original Message ----- >>>>>>>>> From: "Tony Bernedal" <t...@bernedal.net> >>>>>>>>> To: <macvisionaries@googlegroups.com> >>>>>>>>> Sent: Wednesday, October 21, 2009 9:16 AM >>>>>>>>> Subject: Re: my 2 months with a mac >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> Hi Anouk. >>>>>>>>>> I have also used my mac for around 3 months now, and like >>>>>>>>>> you I >>>>>>>>>> still >>>>>>>>>> use windows for a couple of things. I trying to get the >>>>>>>>>> scanning >>>>>>>>>> and >>>>>>>>>> ocr to work on the mac but for now windows and omnipage have >>>>>>>>>> to >>>>>>>>>> do >>>>>>>>>> the >>>>>>>>>> jobb. I had a license for windows xp lying on the shelf >>>>>>>>>> from a >>>>>>>>>> no >>>>>>>>>> longer working laptop and I installed xp with vmware as a >>>>>>>>>> virtual >>>>>>>>>> machine and doing my scanning there and it works good but the >>>>>>>>>> virtual >>>>>>>>>> machine is very slow. I also use windows for Echolink, wich >>>>>>>>>> is a >>>>>>>>>> ham-radio software wich don't exist on the mac. Also the >>>>>>>>>> software >>>>>>>>>> to >>>>>>>>>> setup and program my hamradio stations is only windows >>>>>>>>>> programs. >>>>>>>>>> I'm >>>>>>>>>> very happy mac user now and after some updates to snow >>>>>>>>>> leopard >>>>>>>>>> my >>>>>>>>>> problems with it is gone. >>>>>>>>>> I hope the issue with the thumbkey on your display can be >>>>>>>>>> solved. I >>>>>>>>>> have same issue with alva satelite. >>>>>>>>>> I also have a battle with EyeTV software wich for some odd >>>>>>>>>> reason >>>>>>>>>> doesn't find my tv channels on the cable network. And it is >>>>>>>>>> also >>>>>>>>>> very >>>>>>>>>> tricky to use with VO. I use VLC for webradio and movies and >>>>>>>>>> it >>>>>>>>>> works >>>>>>>>>> great (vlc version 1.x doesn't work under windows and linux >>>>>>>>>> at >>>>>>>>>> all >>>>>>>>>> with screenreader, only on mac, great!). >>>>>>>>>> And I also like the speed, starting my windows pc here at >>>>>>>>>> works >>>>>>>>>> take >>>>>>>>>> forever and the mac is at the desktop in almost 0 time. And, >>>>>>>>>> the >>>>>>>>>> sleep >>>>>>>>>> works well too. >>>>>>>>>> So I'm happy with my mac system. >>>>>>>>>> Good luck with your mac! >>>>>>>>>> Regards Tony >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> 2009/10/21, a radix <anou...@home.nl>: >>>>>>>>>>> Hello, I have been using my mac for about 2 months now >>>>>>>>>>> especially >>>>>>>>>>> at >>>>>>>>>>> school >>>>>>>>>>> although at home I still often use my pc and I will explain >>>>>>>>>>> below >>>>>>>>>>> why. In >>>>>>>>>>> general my experiences with the mac have been very positive >>>>>>>>>>> especially >>>>>>>>>>> after >>>>>>>>>>> installing snow leopard. I can use skype and msn just as >>>>>>>>>>> well >>>>>>>>>>> as >>>>>>>>>>> on my >>>>>>>>>>> pc. >>>>>>>>>>> And after I dumped itunes and started using vlc instead >>>>>>>>>>> watching >>>>>>>>>>> movies >>>>>>>>>>> and >>>>>>>>>>> listening to music became a breeze. I recently bought apples >>>>>>>>>>> office suite >>>>>>>>>>> because I prefer that over using textedit or the free text >>>>>>>>>>> editors/office >>>>>>>>>>> suits that are available. I am also intending to go and use >>>>>>>>>>> garage band >>>>>>>>>>> in >>>>>>>>>>> the future if I can get that working with my yamaha >>>>>>>>>>> keyboard. I >>>>>>>>>>> like the >>>>>>>>>>> built-in speakers and sound quality alhtough listening >>>>>>>>>>> through >>>>>>>>>>> its sound >>>>>>>>>>> output with my own in ear monitors is nothing special. I >>>>>>>>>>> still >>>>>>>>>>> find using >>>>>>>>>>> the internet on the mac a bit mor ework then i did while >>>>>>>>>>> using >>>>>>>>>>> my >>>>>>>>>>> pc and >>>>>>>>>>> it >>>>>>>>>>> goes a bit slower also when reading docucments i notice >>>>>>>>>>> that I >>>>>>>>>>> cannot >>>>>>>>>>> endlessly use the right thumb key on my braille display to >>>>>>>>>>> continue >>>>>>>>>>> reading, >>>>>>>>>>> eventually i have to press the right arrow on my normal >>>>>>>>>>> keyboard >>>>>>>>>>> if I >>>>>>>>>>> want >>>>>>>>>>> to read onm. This does become irritating after a while if >>>>>>>>>>> you >>>>>>>>>>> need to >>>>>>>>>>> read >>>>>>>>>>> long documents. >>>>>>>>>>> At home I still mostly use my windows pc although i now have >>>>>>>>>>> gotten mail >>>>>>>>>>> working on the mac as well because 1. I use omnipage pro 16 >>>>>>>>>>> under >>>>>>>>>>> windows >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> to >>>>>>>>>>> scan my books for school, while I know that there are some >>>>>>>>>>> scanning >>>>>>>>>>> solutions for the mac that i will probbably try once the hp >>>>>>>>>>> drivers for >>>>>>>>>>> sl >>>>>>>>>>> have been released I just dont know if they will be as good >>>>>>>>>>> and >>>>>>>>>>> easy as >>>>>>>>>>> using omnipage pro 16 and am a bit hesistant to try it >>>>>>>>>>> because >>>>>>>>>>> of >>>>>>>>>>> that (I >>>>>>>>>>> really really hope that a full version of finereader will >>>>>>>>>>> eventually be >>>>>>>>>>> released for the mac since I have heard it can rival >>>>>>>>>>> omnipage >>>>>>>>>>> pro). >>>>>>>>>>> Secondly there is filesharing, i will be brief. Ftp does >>>>>>>>>>> work >>>>>>>>>>> on >>>>>>>>>>> the mac >>>>>>>>>>> with transmit which I rather like although I have not >>>>>>>>>>> registered >>>>>>>>>>> it yet, >>>>>>>>>>> questions i asked its support team went unanswered. Usenet >>>>>>>>>>> also >>>>>>>>>>> works but >>>>>>>>>>> udner windows I preferred to use other programs which are >>>>>>>>>>> not >>>>>>>>>>> available >>>>>>>>>>> on >>>>>>>>>>> the mac. >>>>>>>>>>> The third point is playing games which I do a lot on the pec >>>>>>>>>>> especially >>>>>>>>>>> interactive fiction and muds. There is an interpreter for >>>>>>>>>>> interactive >>>>>>>>>>> fiction called zoom which I tried and although I can open >>>>>>>>>>> games >>>>>>>>>>> with it >>>>>>>>>>> saved games were a problem for me since I could not open a >>>>>>>>>>> saved >>>>>>>>>>> game >>>>>>>>>>> file >>>>>>>>>>> (made in frotz). >>>>>>>>>>> For muds the situation on the mac is not so good, I play >>>>>>>>>>> them >>>>>>>>>>> all >>>>>>>>>>> the >>>>>>>>>>> time >>>>>>>>>>> on windows but there is only one mudclient that I know of >>>>>>>>>>> which >>>>>>>>>>> works >>>>>>>>>>> under >>>>>>>>>>> sl and which is still being developed, jamochamud which >>>>>>>>>>> works >>>>>>>>>>> under java. >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> It >>>>>>>>>>> is not too accessible at the moment but the programmer has >>>>>>>>>>> promised to >>>>>>>>>>> look >>>>>>>>>>> at it, still it does not offer all the features even then >>>>>>>>>>> that I >>>>>>>>>>> am used >>>>>>>>>>> to >>>>>>>>>>> on a windows client. >>>>>>>>>>> As soon as windows 7 becomes officially available I am >>>>>>>>>>> planning >>>>>>>>>>> to >>>>>>>>>>> install >>>>>>>>>>> it on my mac (probbably via bootcamp) so that I at least can >>>>>>>>>>> use >>>>>>>>>>> my mac >>>>>>>>>>> all >>>>>>>>>>> the time even if I need to use windows, hopefully for the >>>>>>>>>>> scanning and >>>>>>>>>>> downloading tasks I will in the future be able to use the >>>>>>>>>>> mac >>>>>>>>>>> and >>>>>>>>>>> I have >>>>>>>>>>> hopes for muds as well but for now at least my mac is mostly >>>>>>>>>>> used >>>>>>>>>>> at >>>>>>>>>>> school >>>>>>>>>>> and in the library. >>>>>>>>>>> Greetings, Anouk, >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>>> >>>>> >>>> >>>> >>>>> >>> >>> >>>> >>> >> >> >>> > > > > --~--~---------~--~----~------------~-------~--~----~ You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "MacVisionaries" group. 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