Am 07.10.2014 um 21:57 schrieb Frederick Bartlett:
Hi!

I'm trying to set selection from Saint-Saën's Oratorio de Noël for my choir. In the Gloria in altissimis (p9 in the IMSLP PDFs), I found an odd combination of ties:
\relative c''' {
  << { s1      | b1 ~                  | b2 cis  } \\
     { a1 ~    | a2 s2                 | s1      } \\
     { \voiceTwo r2 a, ~ | a <g' g,>4 <fis fis,> | <g g,>1 }
  >>
}
This peculiar mess is almost right; I just need to figure out how to keep the b and a on the first beat of the second measure from colliding -- but no combination of \shiftOxxx and \once \override NoteColumn.force-hshift that I've tried has answered the case. Leaving the \voiceTwo command out prevents the collision -- but at the cost of getting many other things wrong.

To match the 19th-century original, the b should be shifted a notehead's width right.

I know from my own experience that finding the right solution in cases like these can drive you nuts, even with the Learning Manual help. Attached you find (1) an alternative way of writing this music. It is much less elegant, but also less contradictory to the logics of LilyPond. And (2) a failed attempt of mine to correct your snippet. Can anyone say why force-hshift does not have any effect here? I’m running out of explanations myself there.

Yours, Simon
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