First off the bat - I know nowt at all about finance and how books can be 
"cooked" or adjusted etc so it may be very simplistic of me to think the 
following....

If cuddly Ken owns the club (not sure of the exact percentage) then if any 
profits come in then surely he is entitled to pay himself whatever he decides 
to from those profits?

If I own a company then I own it to make a profit and make money from it - 
surely Ken has a right to do this too?

OK, we would all like every penny that comes in to go to buying newer supa dupa 
players or better facilities or lower prices etc (or even paying off 
outstanding debts) - but that's what WE would like, we don't however OWN the 
club - he does - I'm not saying I like it, but that would seem to be not 
improper to me

Or am I missing something here?

Steve

-----Original Message-----
From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Tim Leslie
Sent: 24 January 2007 10:51
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Subject: Re: [LU] Leeds United on 5 live

Betty,
       I'm guessing (Correct me if I'm wrong Pete) that what Pete is
saying is, as briefly as I can put it:

1). How do you know what Bates is doing is 'untoward' and not what quite
possibly every chairman in football is potentially doing (i.e. cooking the
books). The manipulation of figures is what it all boils down to, how you
present one debt, balance it with another etc. If a posh accountant said
"Ah yes, what he's doing here is farming this money off here and putting
it down to x, y or z" Is your point that the money being hidden/farmed
off/lost however you want to put it, is only for Bates' good? If so, how
do you know that? You don't, or if you do then get yourself a very good
posh lawyer as well!!!!

2). Are we all being a bit niave (And lets face it, despite our best
intentions in some cases, to my knowledge NONE of us are fabulously
wealthy businessmen ho have earned millions by being at the front of a cut
throat environment. If you have please step forward and explain all!!!) in
believeing that an alledged (Again do we REALLY know) debt of £120,000,000
will simply disappear in 3 years thanks to some good bookeeping, a fire
sale and a few write offs WHILST STILL MANAGING TO RUN A PROFESSIONAL
FOOTBALL CLUB (That we as fans expect to be succesful)? In general,
football clubs do not make money, if they do it's a small profit (OK OK
excepyions to the rule noted).

The theory that the club will be better off in the hands of the fans is
ideologically brilliant, I'm not so sure it works for the 'bigger' clubs.

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