I agree with every aspect that you present Mark and your right. This can go on forever the only way is to get some altitude and misuse all you controls and see what happens for one particular aircraft. In cruises flight feet on the floor and in slow flight you may have to correct for yaw. Rudder is only to induce and control yaw, nothing else. Happy Flying, Guys! Adrian
Mark Jones wrote: >I beg to differ...it was my report of my first stall that started this >thread with your reply saying not to use aileron a that could induce a spin. >In all of my flight training (I earned my ticket in 1976), I was taught to >apply slight opposite aileron to wing drop after some opposite rudder. I >have stalled hundreds of times and never had a problem. Just curious Denny, >but have you ever flown in a KR or piloted one? I am not asking that to be a >smart a&&, just wondering. > >Mark Jones (N886MJ) >Wales, WI USA >E-mail me at flyk...@wi.rr.com >Visit my KR-2S CorvAIRCRAFT web site at >http://mywebpage.netscape.com/n886mj > > >----- Original Message ----- >From: "Dennis Mingear" <dennisming...@yahoo.com> >To: "KRnet" <kr...@mylist.net> >Sent: Tuesday, July 12, 2005 5:02 PM >Subject: Re: KR> The Stall > > > > >>Since I started this thread I guess I should clarify >>what I meant to say and what was clarified so >>concisely by another member of the list. >> >>I've been properly and politely reminded that >>maintaining coodination while in slow flight is what's >>really important, As was pointed out earlier by >>Collin(?, hope I got your name right), using aileron >>is ok as long as it is used smoothly, minimally and >>with some caution. However, Rapid full deflection >>deployment of ailerons while flying near the stalling >>point of the wing can excite the airflow over a >>wingtip in unexpected and surprisiing ways. >> >>I fly gliders and ailerons would be used very >>carefully while flying near the giders stalling >>speed. I realize that a glider is not a KR and I've >>read enough of these e-mails over the years to know >>that sometimes a KR is not a KR, there are many >>variations on the basic theme. >> >>If you've followed me this far though I do have a >>question however; >> >>Is the rudder ever useful in keeping the wings level >>during slow flight in a KR? >> >>And if the answer is yes, If the rudder has lost its >>ability to keep the wings level, should that airspeed >>just above the loss of rudder be the minimum speed >>used during slowflight? >> >>Denny ... >> >>--- Al Friesen <nesei...@telus.net> wrote: >> >> >> >>>Larry, >>>You have the control for the KR right, Rudder >>>control on its own is not >>>correct. Al >>>----- Original Message ----- >>>From: "larry flesner" <fles...@midwest.net> >>>To: "KRnet" <kr...@mylist.net> >>>Sent: Sunday, July 10, 2005 3:48 PM >>>Subject: KR> The Stall >>> >>> >>> >>> >>>>>Thanks for the report, good reading, but please be >>>>>very careful when using aileron during your stall >>>>>tests. You don't want to seperate the airflow from >>>>> >>>>> >>>a >>> >>> >>>>>wingtip and initiate a soin, that would be >>>>> >>>>> >>>exciting. >>> >>> >>>>>Denny ... >>>>> >>>>> >>>+++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++ >>> >>> >>>>My KR, which is built and rigged to plans except >>>> >>>> >>>for the 24" >>> >>> >>>>stretch, will not respond to raising a wing using >>>> >>>> >>>rudder. >>> >>> >>>>However, the ailerons are effective up to and >>>> >>>> >>>through the >>> >>> >>>>stall. If I try to "rudder" a wing up it causes >>>> >>>> >>>the nose to >>> >>> >>>>pitch down from, I suspect, a partial blanking out >>>> >>>> >>>of the >>> >>> >>>>horz stab / elevator. If I stay off the rudder it >>>> >>>> >>>will keep the >>> >>> >>>>ball centered on its own. So, I just treat it >>>> >>>> >>>like it wants to >>> >>> >>>>be treated and we get along just fine. >>>> >>>>As always , your results may vary.......... >>>> >>>>Larry Flesner >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>>_______________________________________ >>>>Search the KRnet Archives at >>>> >>>> >>>http://www.maddyhome.com/krsrch/index.jsp >>> >>> >>>>to UNsubscribe from KRnet, send a message to >>>> >>>> >>>krnet-le...@mylist.net >>> >>> >>>>please see other KRnet info at >>>> >>>> >>>http://www.krnet.org/info.html >>> >>> >>>>-- >>>>No virus found in this incoming message. >>>>Checked by AVG Anti-Virus. >>>>Version: 7.0.323 / Virus Database: 267.8.13/47 - >>>> >>>> >>>Release Date: 7/12/2005 >>> >>> >>>> >>>> >>>_______________________________________ >>>Search the KRnet Archives at >>>http://www.maddyhome.com/krsrch/index.jsp >>>to UNsubscribe from KRnet, send a message to >>>krnet-le...@mylist.net >>>please see other KRnet info at >>>http://www.krnet.org/info.html >>> >>> >>> >>"I can train a monkey to wave an American flag. That does not make the >> >> >monkey patriotic." > > >>Scott Ritter >> >>__________________________________________________ >>Do You Yahoo!? >>Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around >>http://mail.yahoo.com >> >>_______________________________________ >>Search the KRnet Archives at http://www.maddyhome.com/krsrch/index.jsp >>to UNsubscribe from KRnet, send a message to krnet-le...@mylist.net >>please see other KRnet info at http://www.krnet.org/info.html >> >> > > > >_______________________________________ >Search the KRnet Archives at http://www.maddyhome.com/krsrch/index.jsp >to UNsubscribe from KRnet, send a message to krnet-le...@mylist.net >please see other KRnet info at http://www.krnet.org/info.html > > > > > -- Adrian VE6AFY Mailto:cart...@spots.ab.ca http://www.spots.ab.ca/~cartera
