That is the beauty of gentoo. It is secure as well as a rolling release so if there is a new version of apache which hasnt been rolled out yet file a bug and they try to get a version bump asap obviously after some time testing that particular version.
On Fri, Jan 23, 2015 at 6:33 AM, Emily Gonyer <emilyyr...@gmail.com> wrote: > I absolutely agree with Israel re: free software solutions. I became > involved in Kibo due to freedom and will remain so as long as we are > committed to freedom whenever/wherever we can be. > > Emily > > On Thu, Jan 22, 2015 at 8:36 PM, Israel <isr...@torios.org> wrote: > > Hi, > > This is especially true if we have our own mail server that we can > ensure is > > up to date with the latest security patches, etc.. and of course using > open > > source programs will ensure our freedom (they cannot claim our e-mails > are > > their property, since it is our server) > > That is the main concern I have with using proprietary solutions. A good > > 'real-world' example is purchasing a digital movie from Amazon. You > 'own' > > it, but you cannot easily download your content and watch it without > > internet and burn it to a DVD for use where there is no internet > > connectivity. And of course if Amazon ever tanks, you do not own it any > > longer. > > With our own service we could (with the correct authority, of course) > > download and archive a section of the mailing list in order to catch up, > or > > re-read important e-mails, or to have security in legal cases, or > whatever > > else we may need. Plus if you have it on the computer you can use grep, > > sed, awk, etc... which are all fantastic libre tools :) > > > > > > On 01/22/2015 09:52 AM, Jonathan Aquilina wrote: > > > > What you mention in terms of private and public communications. This is > > where a mailing list is good and the archive remains private and > internal. > > > > On Thu, Jan 22, 2015 at 2:40 PM, Israel <isr...@torios.org> wrote: > >> > >> Hi all, > >> I just thought I'd throw in a few bits here. > >> I don't really care how you all want to do things in management, etc... > >> As long as, when it comes down to it, I can just do my own work with > only > >> the customer's specific needs/design/etc.. as the constraints. > >> I think some private form of communication is essential for a business, > as > >> well as public. > >> You all can set this up however is good an right. > >> > >> I would like for our communications not to be owned by a proprietary > >> company... I'd rather them be public than that (personal idealogical > views). > >> But if you all need to use a proprietary company I will not leave, or > get > >> upset at you. > >> We already use G+ which is owned by a company that is well known for > data > >> mining (does anyone remember PRISM?). > >> > >> As for meetings... right now I have so very little time to devote to > >> meetings, and you always start one at times that are not good for me. > >> I have kids and cannot devote too much of my life to things away from > >> them, while I am with them. > >> Once this project is off the ground, I will be more involved. But as it > >> is, I do not need to be involved in the setup phase. > >> > >> I am just letting you all know that I intend to remain relatively quite, > >> but I am actually still around :) > >> > >> > >> > >> On 01/21/2015 11:25 PM, Jonathan Aquilina wrote: > >> > >> Weekends are best for me. early mornings and preferably on weekends to > >> meet and discuss. > >> > >> On Thu, Jan 22, 2015 at 2:20 AM, Emily Gonyer <emilyyr...@gmail.com> > >> wrote: > >>> > >>> Tomorrow I'm mostly free aside from 10am-1pm (I'm -5GMT...), Friday > >>> we'll be visiting a museum, but I can check in on IRC/email; early > >>> Saturday I'm available but planning to go out in the evening - so up > >>> till ~4-4:30pm. Sunday I don't have any plans except to sleep in :p > >>> > >>> Emily > >>> > >>> On Wed, Jan 21, 2015 at 8:16 PM, Ali Linx (amjjawad) < > amjja...@gmail.com> > >>> wrote: > >>> > > >>> > > >>> > On Thu, Jan 22, 2015 at 12:13 PM, Emily Gonyer <emilyyr...@gmail.com > > > >>> > wrote: > >>> >> > >>> >> Ali, > >>> > > >>> > > >>> > Hi dear Emily, > >>> > > >>> >> > >>> >> > >>> >> I'm not going to pretend I have any idea as to why it was that > Gustavo > >>> >> and/or Svetlana left, nor do I particularly care. > >>> > > >>> > > >>> > I highly respect your honesty. Thank you for speaking your mind > >>> > directly. > >>> > > >>> >> > >>> >> I am still very > >>> >> interested in and excited about Kibo, and plan to continue to help > >>> >> however/whenever I can. > >>> > > >>> > > >>> > So kind and nice of you, many thanks :) > >>> > > >>> > > >>> >> > >>> >> I feel like we are going to be in need of > >>> >> another meeting with the remaining members present asap to discuss > >>> >> what we have, what we need, where we're going, etc. > >>> > > >>> > > >>> > I agree. I was about to ask for that but I wanted to prepare some > >>> > positive > >>> > progress first :) > >>> > > >>> >> > >>> >> I'm fairly busy > >>> >> over the next few days but if I know ahead of time, I should be able > >>> >> to make time. > >>> > > >>> > > >>> > For me, my time is +11 GMT and you guys can contact me anytime. > >>> > Whenever > >>> > you're free. However, what about the coming days? > >>> > > >>> > Fri? > >>> > Sat? > >>> > Sun? > >>> > > >>> > > >>> >> > >>> >> > >>> >> Emily > >>> > > >>> > > >>> > > >>> > Thank you! > >>> > > >>> > > >>> >> > >>> >> > >>> >> On Wed, Jan 21, 2015 at 7:34 PM, Ali Linx (amjjawad) > >>> >> <amjja...@gmail.com> > >>> >> wrote: > >>> >> > @Phill: > >>> >> > I'm CC'ing you as per your request as discussed last night (your > >>> >> > time). > >>> >> > > >>> >> > On Thu, Jan 22, 2015 at 2:15 AM, Jonathan Aquilina > >>> >> > <eagles051...@gmail.com> > >>> >> > wrote: > >>> >> >> > >>> >> >> Hey Ali, > >>> >> > > >>> >> > > >>> >> > Hi Jonathan and everyone else, > >>> >> > > >>> >> >> > >>> >> >> > >>> >> >> I want to put this out there as I have spoken to some people and > >>> >> >> they > >>> >> >> are > >>> >> >> getting a bit worn out with the lack of decisions being taken and > >>> >> >> only > >>> >> >> discussion. As the saying goes actions speak louder than words. > >>> >> >> That is > >>> >> >> in a > >>> >> >> way why I took the decision to speak to phil about the server. > >>> >> >> > >>> >> >> Again things are stuck in a loop of discussion and no action is > >>> >> >> happening. > >>> >> >> The people I spoke to are on the verge of leaving. > >>> >> > > >>> >> > > >>> >> > The people you spoke to, with all due respect, are not being > honest > >>> >> > and > >>> >> > they're spreading more than one version of the story :) they tell > >>> >> > you > >>> >> > something, they tell Phill different thing and they tell me > >>> >> > something > >>> >> > else. > >>> >> > For you ALL to understand, I hate this childish behaviour. Grown > up > >>> >> > people > >>> >> > should never do that. If you have a problem with someone or > >>> >> > something, > >>> >> > bring > >>> >> > it to discussion and no need to come up with different version of > >>> >> > the > >>> >> > story > >>> >> > and go public with it. > >>> >> > > >>> >> > Here is what happened: > >>> >> > Gustavo and Svetlana both joined Kibo as they were super > interested. > >>> >> > One > >>> >> > is > >>> >> > a business person (as he said) and the other is a community person > >>> >> > (as > >>> >> > she > >>> >> > said). > >>> >> > > >>> >> > We were super fine and everything was okay. > >>> >> > > >>> >> > Over a disagreement and different opinion, they both left at the > >>> >> > same > >>> >> > time. > >>> >> > > >>> >> > After 24 hours, Gustavo sent me a long email asking to be back to > >>> >> > Kibo. > >>> >> > I > >>> >> > still have that email if someone does not believe me here - in > case. > >>> >> > I accepted that and he wanted to bring back Svetlana and I too > >>> >> > accepted > >>> >> > that. > >>> >> > > >>> >> > I had a condition. It was: "please don't leave again if we > disagree. > >>> >> > We > >>> >> > should not let such silly things get into our way. Every beginning > >>> >> > is > >>> >> > hard > >>> >> > so let's move forward and work as a team." > >>> >> > > >>> >> > They accepted that. > >>> >> > > >>> >> > After that last meeting, Emily, myself and Gustavo was there - I > >>> >> > have > >>> >> > the > >>> >> > link for the meeting as we did record that on YouTube. > >>> >> > > >>> >> > Gustavo after that meeting remained silent. I knew and did SEE > what > >>> >> > would > >>> >> > happen next and it indeed happened and I was right. He asked me > for > >>> >> > a > >>> >> > chat > >>> >> > and he quit, yet again. This time, he said it is not about you > Ali, > >>> >> > it > >>> >> > is > >>> >> > about something else. > >>> >> > > >>> >> > He complained about several things that is not personal nor > related > >>> >> > to > >>> >> > me. > >>> >> > > >>> >> > While he was chatting with me, after he left, Svetlana did leave > >>> >> > after > >>> >> > few > >>> >> > seconds. That could not be by chance. I know both were on IRC and > >>> >> > they > >>> >> > both > >>> >> > agreed to leave. > >>> >> > > >>> >> > To me, she has zero ability to make up her mind. She is following > >>> >> > only. > >>> >> > If > >>> >> > someone leaves, she leaves. If someone stays, she will stay. She > >>> >> > can't > >>> >> > make > >>> >> > any decision and this is what I 'saw' based on her 'actions'. > >>> >> > > >>> >> > By the way, both of them joined ToriOS and they both left. NO GOOD > >>> >> > reason > >>> >> > for that except they both were picky and didn't really know what > >>> >> > they're > >>> >> > doing. > >>> >> > > >>> >> > I have talked to Gustavo. I still have the chat log but I will not > >>> >> > going > >>> >> > to > >>> >> > share it unless he agrees. > >>> >> > > >>> >> > I sent an email to thank them both: > >>> >> > > >>> >> > Dear Svetlana and Gustavo, > >>> >> > > >>> >> > I'd like to show my great appreciations and thank you so much for > >>> >> > everything > >>> >> > regarding Kibo, specially your quitting the project/team. This has > >>> >> > inspired > >>> >> > me big time and motivated me a lot. > >>> >> > > >>> >> > Yesterday, I have come across the attached quote. I saved the > image > >>> >> > on > >>> >> > my > >>> >> > HDD and kept it on my desktop. > >>> >> > > >>> >> > Today, I have indeed learned the real meaning of that quote and I > >>> >> > have > >>> >> > indeed applied that in my life and WOW, it didn't only work but it > >>> >> > did > >>> >> > create a huge positive power/energy and I'm so grateful for that > :D > >>> >> > > >>> >> > This is in my mind and heart at the moment so I am letting you > know > >>> >> > that. > >>> >> > > >>> >> > All the best and should you need 'anything', I'm more than glad to > >>> >> > help > >>> >> > while I can. > >>> >> > > >>> >> > Take care! > >>> >> > > >>> >> > > >>> >> > And I made it extra clear that my door is always open. But ... > >>> >> > I ask you all to put yourself in my shoes. Will you accept someone > >>> >> > who > >>> >> > left > >>> >> > 3 times from your house after you were super kind and nice to > them? > >>> >> > you > >>> >> > hosted them 3 times and they left? > >>> >> > > >>> >> > Gustavo admitted it he was picky and didn't understand Kibo. > >>> >> > > >>> >> > He got demotivated and didn't want to carry on when he read that > >>> >> > Jonathan is > >>> >> > not willing to quit his daily work over Kibo. > >>> >> > > >>> >> > I explained to him and to everyone that Kibo is a part-time job > >>> >> > project > >>> >> > for > >>> >> > the moment. If we can make it and we can make a company out of it, > >>> >> > we > >>> >> > can > >>> >> > work as full-time but only crazy people who might think Kibo is a > >>> >> > full-time > >>> >> > job. It is not. For me, perhaps it is because I'm jobless. But I > >>> >> > would > >>> >> > NEVER > >>> >> > ever ask someone to quit his job. > >>> >> > > >>> >> > I'm not a kid, people. I've been around for sometime and I know > who > >>> >> > is > >>> >> > serious and who is not. Who is fooling around and who is not. Who > is > >>> >> > helpful > >>> >> > and who is know. Who is understanding what we do and who is know. > >>> >> > > >>> >> > Gustavo showed a lot of positive stuff but at the same time, he > >>> >> > misunderstood lots of things. Thus, he left. > >>> >> > > >>> >> > As for Svetlana, as I said, she is always following someone and > >>> >> > can't > >>> >> > make > >>> >> > her own decision herself. > >>> >> > She was like either: +1 or -1 only. > >>> >> > > >>> >> >> > >>> >> >> > >>> >> >> I agree with us being too over exposed using launch pad. I > proposed > >>> >> >> alternatives. > >>> >> >> > >>> >> >> 1) mailman for mailing list with private archives which is very > >>> >> >> beneficial. If the concern is that people's inboxes will get > filled > >>> >> >> with > >>> >> >> lots of emails that isnt the case that is up to them when they > >>> >> >> subscribe. > >>> >> >> They can subscribe to digest and get an email with multiple > >>> >> >> postings > >>> >> >> instead > >>> >> >> of individual emails. > >>> >> > > >>> >> > > >>> >> > What are we waiting for?! I tell you what :) > >>> >> > Because NONE of you replied my email about the roles, tasks, and > all > >>> >> > ... > >>> >> > go > >>> >> > back to your inbox and see ;) > >>> >> > > >>> >> > That is why I sent these emails. So X knows what to do and Y knows > >>> >> > what > >>> >> > to > >>> >> > do. > >>> >> > > >>> >> >> > >>> >> >> > >>> >> >> 2) redmine this is a bug tracker as well as project management as > >>> >> >> well > >>> >> >> as > >>> >> >> version control integration and much more this is a great tool to > >>> >> >> have > >>> >> >> in > >>> >> >> place from now as we can use it to track bugs and issues on the > >>> >> >> website > >>> >> >> and > >>> >> >> more. > >>> >> > > >>> >> > > >>> >> > I have never used it. If someone could take the time to explain > that > >>> >> > to > >>> >> > us, > >>> >> > then why not? I am not against using anything good. WHY people > can't > >>> >> > get > >>> >> > that straight? if someone has an opinion of a feedback, that does > >>> >> > not > >>> >> > mean > >>> >> > he/she is against the idea. > >>> >> > > >>> >> >> > >>> >> >> > >>> >> >> Ali you need to remember as well that things take time to build > up > >>> >> >> a > >>> >> >> following and you have to spend money to make it and in this > case I > >>> >> >> am > >>> >> >> helpign you with the amjjawad website as well as kibos for now as > >>> >> >> well > >>> >> >> as > >>> >> >> phil with the server. If you want this to succeed we need to move > >>> >> >> forward > >>> >> >> with actions and not rush things. > >>> >> > > >>> >> > > >>> >> > I know that. Thanks for the reminder. Appreciate it. But, there > is a > >>> >> > HUGE > >>> >> > misunderstanding here. > >>> >> > > >>> >> > We're confusing RUSHING with TAKING ACTIONS. > >>> >> > > >>> >> > And there are some other misunderstanding ... > >>> >> > > >>> >> >> > >>> >> >> > >>> >> >> I would suggest as well talking with Gustavo and putting > together a > >>> >> >> business plan so that way the business can be presented to > >>> >> >> investors > >>> >> >> and we > >>> >> >> get the cash we need to get established correctly. > >>> >> > > >>> >> > > >>> >> > He has quit. > >>> >> > Again, put yourself in my shoes. Would you accept someone joined > you > >>> >> > 3 > >>> >> > times > >>> >> > and quit 3 times? > >>> >> > And he made it extra clear when I tried to change his mind that he > >>> >> > is no > >>> >> > longer interested and can't help with Kibo. Why do I have to > accept > >>> >> > him > >>> >> > for > >>> >> > the 4th time so he leaves again for the 4th time? again, what > would > >>> >> > YOU > >>> >> > do > >>> >> > if you were in my place?! > >>> >> > > >>> >> >> > >>> >> >> > >>> >> >> Here is a quote from Michael Baisden and I agree with him > totally. > >>> >> >> > >>> >> >> “those who fail to plan, plan to fail!” > >>> >> > > >>> >> > > >>> >> > I am NOT blind so you don't really have to make it that large :) > >>> >> > But thanks anyway. > >>> >> > > >>> >> > "People don't plan to fail, they fail to plan." > >>> >> > > >>> >> > In my case, I do plan but NO ONE wishes to listen nor discuss > >>> >> > anything > >>> >> > and > >>> >> > EVERYONE seems to push what he/she wants. NO, sorry, this is not > >>> >> > what I > >>> >> > want. This is not what a team is about. A team means: all of us > are > >>> >> > smarter > >>> >> > than anyone of us. Someone got upset just because we didn't take > >>> >> > 'his' > >>> >> > input. Why? ask them :) > >>> >> > > >>> >> > I have been rejected billion of times. What I have done? before I > >>> >> > quit, > >>> >> > I > >>> >> > did what people told me in my face that this will fail. > >>> >> > Example? > >>> >> > I suggested a community spin for Lubuntu for super old machines. I > >>> >> > got > >>> >> > rejected by the majority of Lubuntu Community - no need to mention > >>> >> > names. > >>> >> > What I did? ToriOS and guess what? it is much lighter than Lubuntu > >>> >> > :) > >>> >> > > >>> >> > I didn't quit right away when I got rejected nor someone disagreed > >>> >> > with > >>> >> > me. > >>> >> > I quit when I found myself zero helpful for Lubuntu after 2 years > of > >>> >> > being > >>> >> > the most active member of all and achieved what none achieved. > >>> >> > > >>> >> > If you are NOT sure what to do? don't do. Wait, think and then do. > >>> >> > > >>> >> > So, I would be very careful to accept both of them again in Kibo. > >>> >> > They > >>> >> > were > >>> >> > never rejected. We were only discussing the ideas. Once their > ideas > >>> >> > aren't > >>> >> > taken, they feel bad. Is this a school or what?! > >>> >> > > >>> >> > > >>> >> >> > >>> >> >> > >>> >> >> Sadly with things being super rushed that is whats going to > happen. > >>> >> > > >>> >> > > >>> >> > Define: "super rushed", please! > >>> >> > > >>> >> > Who went to Phill for a server? Me? that was you :) > >>> >> > Define: super rushed so we both be on the same page :D > >>> >> > > >>> >> > I'm afraid I'm lost. I don't know who is rushed and who is not :) > >>> >> > All what I know is we're in different pages at the moment ... but > >>> >> > that > >>> >> > is > >>> >> > not the end of the world. At least for me. > >>> >> > > >>> >> >> > >>> >> >> Gustavo is a great and very helpful guy when it comes to this > sort > >>> >> >> of > >>> >> >> stuff and I know he wants this to succeed as well as I. > >>> >> > > >>> >> > > >>> >> > He left. His choice. It wasn't about ME. He left for something > else. > >>> >> > Can > >>> >> > we > >>> >> > all agree on that, please?! > >>> >> > > >>> >> >> > >>> >> >> > >>> >> >> I am telling you this as a friend and not only to you to everyone > >>> >> >> on > >>> >> >> here. > >>> >> >> It may seem harsh but its the hard truth and reality. > >>> >> > > >>> >> > > >>> >> > You should know by now .. in fact, all of you that I respect those > >>> >> > who > >>> >> > come > >>> >> > and talk to me directly, not leaving after all what I have done > for > >>> >> > them > >>> >> > without one single word. I admire what Gustavo did. But someone > else > >>> >> > left > >>> >> > without a single word. What kind of respect is that? > >>> >> > > >>> >> > I admire your honesty. You do care, Jonathan. Otherwise, you > >>> >> > wouldn't > >>> >> > spend > >>> >> > time to write to me, right? so, I see that where it is coming from > >>> >> > and I > >>> >> > have NO problem with that. Even though your bring it to public, I > >>> >> > don't > >>> >> > mind. > >>> >> > > >>> >> >> > >>> >> >> > >>> >> >> -- > >>> >> >> Jonathan Aquilina > >>> >> > > >>> >> > > >>> >> > Sorry for the LONG email but I did this so we can END this right > >>> >> > here > >>> >> > and > >>> >> > right now. NO talking about the past. Let's move forward. > >>> >> > > >>> >> > I already have Plan B, C, D, etc. > >>> >> > I'll NOT rush things. > >>> >> > > >>> >> > Here is my request for now: > >>> >> > I will NEVER ask anyone here to leave and I do HATE to see anyone > >>> >> > leaves. > >>> >> > You may all stay for now as volunteers. Once we have a clear solid > >>> >> > visible > >>> >> > roadmap, we can see about that. > >>> >> > > >>> >> > Do not leave unless you feel so. > >>> >> > I will not ask you to leave. Every word you contribute with is > >>> >> > helpful. > >>> >> > I > >>> >> > have my own vision and I find everyone here is useful, even though > >>> >> > he/she is > >>> >> > not doing anything at this moment, his/her moment will come. > >>> >> > > >>> >> > If we wish to carry on, we should let the past go and turn the > page. > >>> >> > Learn > >>> >> > from our mistakes for sure. > >>> >> > If you wish to be stuck in the past, the present will be lost and > so > >>> >> > the > >>> >> > future. > >>> >> > > >>> >> > Your call :) > >>> >> > > >>> >> > And this email for everyone, not for Jonathan nor someone, it is > for > >>> >> > everyone to read. > >>> >> > > >>> >> > -- > >>> >> > Remember: "All of us are smarter than any one of us." > >>> >> > Best Regards, > >>> >> > Ali/amjjawad > >>> >> > http://torios.org - StartUbuntu - Ubuntu GNOME - > http://amjjawad.net > >>> >> > > >>> >> > -- > >>> >> > Mailing list: https://launchpad.net/~kibo-project > >>> >> > Post to : kibo-project@lists.launchpad.net > >>> >> > Unsubscribe : https://launchpad.net/~kibo-project > >>> >> > More help : https://help.launchpad.net/ListHelp > >>> >> > > >>> >> > >>> >> > >>> >> > >>> >> -- > >>> >> Whatever you can do, or dream you can, begin it. Boldness has > genius, > >>> >> power and magic in it. - Goethe > >>> >> > >>> >> Be who you are and say what you feel because those who mind don't > >>> >> matter and those who matter don't mind. - Dr.Seuss > >>> >> > >>> >> Not everything that can be counted counts, and not everything that > >>> >> counts can be counted. - Albert Einstein > >>> > > >>> > > >>> > > >>> > > >>> > -- > >>> > Remember: "All of us are smarter than any one of us." > >>> > Best Regards, > >>> > Ali/amjjawad > >>> > http://torios.org - StartUbuntu - Ubuntu GNOME - http://amjjawad.net > >>> > >>> > >>> > >>> -- > >>> Whatever you can do, or dream you can, begin it. Boldness has genius, > >>> power and magic in it. - Goethe > >>> > >>> Be who you are and say what you feel because those who mind don't > >>> matter and those who matter don't mind. - Dr.Seuss > >>> > >>> Not everything that can be counted counts, and not everything that > >>> counts can be counted. - Albert Einstein > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> -- > >> Jonathan Aquilina > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> -- > >> Regards > >> > >> -Israel > >> ToriOS Team > >> > >> > >> -- > >> Mailing list: https://launchpad.net/~kibo-project > >> Post to : kibo-project@lists.launchpad.net > >> Unsubscribe : https://launchpad.net/~kibo-project > >> More help : https://help.launchpad.net/ListHelp > >> > > > > > > > > -- > > Jonathan Aquilina > > > > > > > > -- > > Regards > > > > -Israel > > ToriOS Team > > > > > > -- > > Mailing list: https://launchpad.net/~kibo-project > > Post to : kibo-project@lists.launchpad.net > > Unsubscribe : https://launchpad.net/~kibo-project > > More help : https://help.launchpad.net/ListHelp > > > > > > -- > Whatever you can do, or dream you can, begin it. Boldness has genius, > power and magic in it. - Goethe > > Be who you are and say what you feel because those who mind don't > matter and those who matter don't mind. - Dr.Seuss > > Not everything that can be counted counts, and not everything that > counts can be counted. - Albert Einstein > -- Jonathan Aquilina
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