Hi all, I just thought I'd throw in a few bits here. I don't really care how you all want to do things in management, etc... As long as, when it comes down to it, I can just do my own work with only the customer's specific needs/design/etc.. as the constraints. I think some private form of communication is essential for a business, as well as public. You all can set this up however is good an right.
I would like for our communications not to be owned by a proprietary company... I'd rather them be public than that (personal idealogical views). But if you all need to use a proprietary company I will not leave, or get upset at you. We already use G+ which is owned by a company that is well known for data mining (does anyone remember PRISM?). As for meetings... right now I have so very little time to devote to meetings, and you always start one at times that are not good for me. I have kids and cannot devote too much of my life to things away from them, while I am with them. Once this project is off the ground, I will be more involved. But as it is, I do not need to be involved in the setup phase. I am just letting you all know that I intend to remain relatively quite, but I am actually still around :) On 01/21/2015 11:25 PM, Jonathan Aquilina wrote: > Weekends are best for me. early mornings and preferably on weekends to > meet and discuss. > > On Thu, Jan 22, 2015 at 2:20 AM, Emily Gonyer <emilyyr...@gmail.com > <mailto:emilyyr...@gmail.com>> wrote: > > Tomorrow I'm mostly free aside from 10am-1pm (I'm -5GMT...), Friday > we'll be visiting a museum, but I can check in on IRC/email; early > Saturday I'm available but planning to go out in the evening - so up > till ~4-4:30pm. Sunday I don't have any plans except to sleep in :p > > Emily > > On Wed, Jan 21, 2015 at 8:16 PM, Ali Linx (amjjawad) > <amjja...@gmail.com <mailto:amjja...@gmail.com>> wrote: > > > > > > On Thu, Jan 22, 2015 at 12:13 PM, Emily Gonyer > <emilyyr...@gmail.com <mailto:emilyyr...@gmail.com>> wrote: > >> > >> Ali, > > > > > > Hi dear Emily, > > > >> > >> > >> I'm not going to pretend I have any idea as to why it was that > Gustavo > >> and/or Svetlana left, nor do I particularly care. > > > > > > I highly respect your honesty. Thank you for speaking your mind > directly. > > > >> > >> I am still very > >> interested in and excited about Kibo, and plan to continue to help > >> however/whenever I can. > > > > > > So kind and nice of you, many thanks :) > > > > > >> > >> I feel like we are going to be in need of > >> another meeting with the remaining members present asap to discuss > >> what we have, what we need, where we're going, etc. > > > > > > I agree. I was about to ask for that but I wanted to prepare > some positive > > progress first :) > > > >> > >> I'm fairly busy > >> over the next few days but if I know ahead of time, I should be > able > >> to make time. > > > > > > For me, my time is +11 GMT and you guys can contact me anytime. > Whenever > > you're free. However, what about the coming days? > > > > Fri? > > Sat? > > Sun? > > > > > >> > >> > >> Emily > > > > > > > > Thank you! > > > > > >> > >> > >> On Wed, Jan 21, 2015 at 7:34 PM, Ali Linx (amjjawad) > <amjja...@gmail.com <mailto:amjja...@gmail.com>> > >> wrote: > >> > @Phill: > >> > I'm CC'ing you as per your request as discussed last night > (your time). > >> > > >> > On Thu, Jan 22, 2015 at 2:15 AM, Jonathan Aquilina > >> > <eagles051...@gmail.com <mailto:eagles051...@gmail.com>> > >> > wrote: > >> >> > >> >> Hey Ali, > >> > > >> > > >> > Hi Jonathan and everyone else, > >> > > >> >> > >> >> > >> >> I want to put this out there as I have spoken to some people > and they > >> >> are > >> >> getting a bit worn out with the lack of decisions being > taken and only > >> >> discussion. As the saying goes actions speak louder than > words. That is > >> >> in a > >> >> way why I took the decision to speak to phil about the server. > >> >> > >> >> Again things are stuck in a loop of discussion and no action is > >> >> happening. > >> >> The people I spoke to are on the verge of leaving. > >> > > >> > > >> > The people you spoke to, with all due respect, are not being > honest and > >> > they're spreading more than one version of the story :) they > tell you > >> > something, they tell Phill different thing and they tell me > something > >> > else. > >> > For you ALL to understand, I hate this childish behaviour. > Grown up > >> > people > >> > should never do that. If you have a problem with someone or > something, > >> > bring > >> > it to discussion and no need to come up with different > version of the > >> > story > >> > and go public with it. > >> > > >> > Here is what happened: > >> > Gustavo and Svetlana both joined Kibo as they were super > interested. One > >> > is > >> > a business person (as he said) and the other is a community > person (as > >> > she > >> > said). > >> > > >> > We were super fine and everything was okay. > >> > > >> > Over a disagreement and different opinion, they both left at > the same > >> > time. > >> > > >> > After 24 hours, Gustavo sent me a long email asking to be > back to Kibo. > >> > I > >> > still have that email if someone does not believe me here - > in case. > >> > I accepted that and he wanted to bring back Svetlana and I > too accepted > >> > that. > >> > > >> > I had a condition. It was: "please don't leave again if we > disagree. We > >> > should not let such silly things get into our way. Every > beginning is > >> > hard > >> > so let's move forward and work as a team." > >> > > >> > They accepted that. > >> > > >> > After that last meeting, Emily, myself and Gustavo was there > - I have > >> > the > >> > link for the meeting as we did record that on YouTube. > >> > > >> > Gustavo after that meeting remained silent. I knew and did > SEE what > >> > would > >> > happen next and it indeed happened and I was right. He asked > me for a > >> > chat > >> > and he quit, yet again. This time, he said it is not about > you Ali, it > >> > is > >> > about something else. > >> > > >> > He complained about several things that is not personal nor > related to > >> > me. > >> > > >> > While he was chatting with me, after he left, Svetlana did > leave after > >> > few > >> > seconds. That could not be by chance. I know both were on IRC > and they > >> > both > >> > agreed to leave. > >> > > >> > To me, she has zero ability to make up her mind. She is > following only. > >> > If > >> > someone leaves, she leaves. If someone stays, she will stay. > She can't > >> > make > >> > any decision and this is what I 'saw' based on her 'actions'. > >> > > >> > By the way, both of them joined ToriOS and they both left. NO > GOOD > >> > reason > >> > for that except they both were picky and didn't really know > what they're > >> > doing. > >> > > >> > I have talked to Gustavo. I still have the chat log but I > will not going > >> > to > >> > share it unless he agrees. > >> > > >> > I sent an email to thank them both: > >> > > >> > Dear Svetlana and Gustavo, > >> > > >> > I'd like to show my great appreciations and thank you so much for > >> > everything > >> > regarding Kibo, specially your quitting the project/team. > This has > >> > inspired > >> > me big time and motivated me a lot. > >> > > >> > Yesterday, I have come across the attached quote. I saved the > image on > >> > my > >> > HDD and kept it on my desktop. > >> > > >> > Today, I have indeed learned the real meaning of that quote > and I have > >> > indeed applied that in my life and WOW, it didn't only work > but it did > >> > create a huge positive power/energy and I'm so grateful for > that :D > >> > > >> > This is in my mind and heart at the moment so I am letting > you know > >> > that. > >> > > >> > All the best and should you need 'anything', I'm more than > glad to help > >> > while I can. > >> > > >> > Take care! > >> > > >> > > >> > And I made it extra clear that my door is always open. But ... > >> > I ask you all to put yourself in my shoes. Will you accept > someone who > >> > left > >> > 3 times from your house after you were super kind and nice to > them? you > >> > hosted them 3 times and they left? > >> > > >> > Gustavo admitted it he was picky and didn't understand Kibo. > >> > > >> > He got demotivated and didn't want to carry on when he read that > >> > Jonathan is > >> > not willing to quit his daily work over Kibo. > >> > > >> > I explained to him and to everyone that Kibo is a part-time > job project > >> > for > >> > the moment. If we can make it and we can make a company out > of it, we > >> > can > >> > work as full-time but only crazy people who might think Kibo is a > >> > full-time > >> > job. It is not. For me, perhaps it is because I'm jobless. > But I would > >> > NEVER > >> > ever ask someone to quit his job. > >> > > >> > I'm not a kid, people. I've been around for sometime and I > know who is > >> > serious and who is not. Who is fooling around and who is not. > Who is > >> > helpful > >> > and who is know. Who is understanding what we do and who is know. > >> > > >> > Gustavo showed a lot of positive stuff but at the same time, he > >> > misunderstood lots of things. Thus, he left. > >> > > >> > As for Svetlana, as I said, she is always following someone > and can't > >> > make > >> > her own decision herself. > >> > She was like either: +1 or -1 only. > >> > > >> >> > >> >> > >> >> I agree with us being too over exposed using launch pad. I > proposed > >> >> alternatives. > >> >> > >> >> 1) mailman for mailing list with private archives which is very > >> >> beneficial. If the concern is that people's inboxes will get > filled > >> >> with > >> >> lots of emails that isnt the case that is up to them when they > >> >> subscribe. > >> >> They can subscribe to digest and get an email with multiple > postings > >> >> instead > >> >> of individual emails. > >> > > >> > > >> > What are we waiting for?! I tell you what :) > >> > Because NONE of you replied my email about the roles, tasks, > and all ... > >> > go > >> > back to your inbox and see ;) > >> > > >> > That is why I sent these emails. So X knows what to do and Y > knows what > >> > to > >> > do. > >> > > >> >> > >> >> > >> >> 2) redmine this is a bug tracker as well as project > management as well > >> >> as > >> >> version control integration and much more this is a great > tool to have > >> >> in > >> >> place from now as we can use it to track bugs and issues on > the website > >> >> and > >> >> more. > >> > > >> > > >> > I have never used it. If someone could take the time to > explain that to > >> > us, > >> > then why not? I am not against using anything good. WHY > people can't get > >> > that straight? if someone has an opinion of a feedback, that > does not > >> > mean > >> > he/she is against the idea. > >> > > >> >> > >> >> > >> >> Ali you need to remember as well that things take time to > build up a > >> >> following and you have to spend money to make it and in this > case I am > >> >> helpign you with the amjjawad website as well as kibos for > now as well > >> >> as > >> >> phil with the server. If you want this to succeed we need to > move > >> >> forward > >> >> with actions and not rush things. > >> > > >> > > >> > I know that. Thanks for the reminder. Appreciate it. But, > there is a > >> > HUGE > >> > misunderstanding here. > >> > > >> > We're confusing RUSHING with TAKING ACTIONS. > >> > > >> > And there are some other misunderstanding ... > >> > > >> >> > >> >> > >> >> I would suggest as well talking with Gustavo and putting > together a > >> >> business plan so that way the business can be presented to > investors > >> >> and we > >> >> get the cash we need to get established correctly. > >> > > >> > > >> > He has quit. > >> > Again, put yourself in my shoes. Would you accept someone > joined you 3 > >> > times > >> > and quit 3 times? > >> > And he made it extra clear when I tried to change his mind > that he is no > >> > longer interested and can't help with Kibo. Why do I have to > accept him > >> > for > >> > the 4th time so he leaves again for the 4th time? again, what > would YOU > >> > do > >> > if you were in my place?! > >> > > >> >> > >> >> > >> >> Here is a quote from Michael Baisden and I agree with him > totally. > >> >> > >> >> “those who fail to plan, plan to fail!” > >> > > >> > > >> > I am NOT blind so you don't really have to make it that large :) > >> > But thanks anyway. > >> > > >> > "People don't plan to fail, they fail to plan." > >> > > >> > In my case, I do plan but NO ONE wishes to listen nor discuss > anything > >> > and > >> > EVERYONE seems to push what he/she wants. NO, sorry, this is > not what I > >> > want. This is not what a team is about. A team means: all of > us are > >> > smarter > >> > than anyone of us. Someone got upset just because we didn't > take 'his' > >> > input. Why? ask them :) > >> > > >> > I have been rejected billion of times. What I have done? > before I quit, > >> > I > >> > did what people told me in my face that this will fail. > >> > Example? > >> > I suggested a community spin for Lubuntu for super old > machines. I got > >> > rejected by the majority of Lubuntu Community - no need to > mention > >> > names. > >> > What I did? ToriOS and guess what? it is much lighter than > Lubuntu :) > >> > > >> > I didn't quit right away when I got rejected nor someone > disagreed with > >> > me. > >> > I quit when I found myself zero helpful for Lubuntu after 2 > years of > >> > being > >> > the most active member of all and achieved what none achieved. > >> > > >> > If you are NOT sure what to do? don't do. Wait, think and > then do. > >> > > >> > So, I would be very careful to accept both of them again in > Kibo. They > >> > were > >> > never rejected. We were only discussing the ideas. Once their > ideas > >> > aren't > >> > taken, they feel bad. Is this a school or what?! > >> > > >> > > >> >> > >> >> > >> >> Sadly with things being super rushed that is whats going to > happen. > >> > > >> > > >> > Define: "super rushed", please! > >> > > >> > Who went to Phill for a server? Me? that was you :) > >> > Define: super rushed so we both be on the same page :D > >> > > >> > I'm afraid I'm lost. I don't know who is rushed and who is not :) > >> > All what I know is we're in different pages at the moment ... > but that > >> > is > >> > not the end of the world. At least for me. > >> > > >> >> > >> >> Gustavo is a great and very helpful guy when it comes to > this sort of > >> >> stuff and I know he wants this to succeed as well as I. > >> > > >> > > >> > He left. His choice. It wasn't about ME. He left for > something else. Can > >> > we > >> > all agree on that, please?! > >> > > >> >> > >> >> > >> >> I am telling you this as a friend and not only to you to > everyone on > >> >> here. > >> >> It may seem harsh but its the hard truth and reality. > >> > > >> > > >> > You should know by now .. in fact, all of you that I respect > those who > >> > come > >> > and talk to me directly, not leaving after all what I have > done for them > >> > without one single word. I admire what Gustavo did. But > someone else > >> > left > >> > without a single word. What kind of respect is that? > >> > > >> > I admire your honesty. You do care, Jonathan. Otherwise, you > wouldn't > >> > spend > >> > time to write to me, right? so, I see that where it is coming > from and I > >> > have NO problem with that. Even though your bring it to > public, I don't > >> > mind. > >> > > >> >> > >> >> > >> >> -- > >> >> Jonathan Aquilina > >> > > >> > > >> > Sorry for the LONG email but I did this so we can END this > right here > >> > and > >> > right now. NO talking about the past. Let's move forward. > >> > > >> > I already have Plan B, C, D, etc. > >> > I'll NOT rush things. > >> > > >> > Here is my request for now: > >> > I will NEVER ask anyone here to leave and I do HATE to see anyone > >> > leaves. > >> > You may all stay for now as volunteers. Once we have a clear > solid > >> > visible > >> > roadmap, we can see about that. > >> > > >> > Do not leave unless you feel so. > >> > I will not ask you to leave. Every word you contribute with > is helpful. > >> > I > >> > have my own vision and I find everyone here is useful, even > though > >> > he/she is > >> > not doing anything at this moment, his/her moment will come. > >> > > >> > If we wish to carry on, we should let the past go and turn > the page. > >> > Learn > >> > from our mistakes for sure. > >> > If you wish to be stuck in the past, the present will be lost > and so the > >> > future. > >> > > >> > Your call :) > >> > > >> > And this email for everyone, not for Jonathan nor someone, it > is for > >> > everyone to read. > >> > > >> > -- > >> > Remember: "All of us are smarter than any one of us." > >> > Best Regards, > >> > Ali/amjjawad > >> > http://torios.org - StartUbuntu - Ubuntu GNOME - > http://amjjawad.net > >> > > >> > -- > >> > Mailing list: https://launchpad.net/~kibo-project > <https://launchpad.net/%7Ekibo-project> > >> > Post to : kibo-project@lists.launchpad.net > <mailto:kibo-project@lists.launchpad.net> > >> > Unsubscribe : https://launchpad.net/~kibo-project > <https://launchpad.net/%7Ekibo-project> > >> > More help : https://help.launchpad.net/ListHelp > >> > > >> > >> > >> > >> -- > >> Whatever you can do, or dream you can, begin it. Boldness has > genius, > >> power and magic in it. - Goethe > >> > >> Be who you are and say what you feel because those who mind don't > >> matter and those who matter don't mind. - Dr.Seuss > >> > >> Not everything that can be counted counts, and not everything that > >> counts can be counted. - Albert Einstein > > > > > > > > > > -- > > Remember: "All of us are smarter than any one of us." > > Best Regards, > > Ali/amjjawad > > http://torios.org - StartUbuntu - Ubuntu GNOME - http://amjjawad.net > > > > -- > Whatever you can do, or dream you can, begin it. Boldness has genius, > power and magic in it. - Goethe > > Be who you are and say what you feel because those who mind don't > matter and those who matter don't mind. - Dr.Seuss > > Not everything that can be counted counts, and not everything that > counts can be counted. - Albert Einstein > > > > > -- > Jonathan Aquilina > > -- Regards -Israel ToriOS Team
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