On Thu, Jan 22, 2015 at 12:13 PM, Emily Gonyer <emilyyr...@gmail.com> wrote:
> Ali, > Hi dear Emily, > > I'm not going to pretend I have any idea as to why it was that Gustavo > and/or Svetlana left, nor do I particularly care. I highly respect your honesty. Thank you for speaking your mind directly. > I am still very > interested in and excited about Kibo, and plan to continue to help > however/whenever I can. So kind and nice of you, many thanks :) > I feel like we are going to be in need of > another meeting with the remaining members present asap to discuss > what we have, what we need, where we're going, etc. I agree. I was about to ask for that but I wanted to prepare some positive progress first :) > I'm fairly busy > over the next few days but if I know ahead of time, I should be able > to make time. > For me, my time is +11 GMT and you guys can contact me anytime. Whenever you're free. However, what about the coming days? Fri? Sat? Sun? > > Emily > Thank you! > > On Wed, Jan 21, 2015 at 7:34 PM, Ali Linx (amjjawad) <amjja...@gmail.com> > wrote: > > @Phill: > > I'm CC'ing you as per your request as discussed last night (your time). > > > > On Thu, Jan 22, 2015 at 2:15 AM, Jonathan Aquilina < > eagles051...@gmail.com> > > wrote: > >> > >> Hey Ali, > > > > > > Hi Jonathan and everyone else, > > > >> > >> > >> I want to put this out there as I have spoken to some people and they > are > >> getting a bit worn out with the lack of decisions being taken and only > >> discussion. As the saying goes actions speak louder than words. That is > in a > >> way why I took the decision to speak to phil about the server. > >> > >> Again things are stuck in a loop of discussion and no action is > happening. > >> The people I spoke to are on the verge of leaving. > > > > > > The people you spoke to, with all due respect, are not being honest and > > they're spreading more than one version of the story :) they tell you > > something, they tell Phill different thing and they tell me something > else. > > For you ALL to understand, I hate this childish behaviour. Grown up > people > > should never do that. If you have a problem with someone or something, > bring > > it to discussion and no need to come up with different version of the > story > > and go public with it. > > > > Here is what happened: > > Gustavo and Svetlana both joined Kibo as they were super interested. One > is > > a business person (as he said) and the other is a community person (as > she > > said). > > > > We were super fine and everything was okay. > > > > Over a disagreement and different opinion, they both left at the same > time. > > > > After 24 hours, Gustavo sent me a long email asking to be back to Kibo. I > > still have that email if someone does not believe me here - in case. > > I accepted that and he wanted to bring back Svetlana and I too accepted > > that. > > > > I had a condition. It was: "please don't leave again if we disagree. We > > should not let such silly things get into our way. Every beginning is > hard > > so let's move forward and work as a team." > > > > They accepted that. > > > > After that last meeting, Emily, myself and Gustavo was there - I have the > > link for the meeting as we did record that on YouTube. > > > > Gustavo after that meeting remained silent. I knew and did SEE what would > > happen next and it indeed happened and I was right. He asked me for a > chat > > and he quit, yet again. This time, he said it is not about you Ali, it is > > about something else. > > > > He complained about several things that is not personal nor related to > me. > > > > While he was chatting with me, after he left, Svetlana did leave after > few > > seconds. That could not be by chance. I know both were on IRC and they > both > > agreed to leave. > > > > To me, she has zero ability to make up her mind. She is following only. > If > > someone leaves, she leaves. If someone stays, she will stay. She can't > make > > any decision and this is what I 'saw' based on her 'actions'. > > > > By the way, both of them joined ToriOS and they both left. NO GOOD reason > > for that except they both were picky and didn't really know what they're > > doing. > > > > I have talked to Gustavo. I still have the chat log but I will not going > to > > share it unless he agrees. > > > > I sent an email to thank them both: > > > > Dear Svetlana and Gustavo, > > > > I'd like to show my great appreciations and thank you so much for > everything > > regarding Kibo, specially your quitting the project/team. This has > inspired > > me big time and motivated me a lot. > > > > Yesterday, I have come across the attached quote. I saved the image on my > > HDD and kept it on my desktop. > > > > Today, I have indeed learned the real meaning of that quote and I have > > indeed applied that in my life and WOW, it didn't only work but it did > > create a huge positive power/energy and I'm so grateful for that :D > > > > This is in my mind and heart at the moment so I am letting you know that. > > > > All the best and should you need 'anything', I'm more than glad to help > > while I can. > > > > Take care! > > > > > > And I made it extra clear that my door is always open. But ... > > I ask you all to put yourself in my shoes. Will you accept someone who > left > > 3 times from your house after you were super kind and nice to them? you > > hosted them 3 times and they left? > > > > Gustavo admitted it he was picky and didn't understand Kibo. > > > > He got demotivated and didn't want to carry on when he read that > Jonathan is > > not willing to quit his daily work over Kibo. > > > > I explained to him and to everyone that Kibo is a part-time job project > for > > the moment. If we can make it and we can make a company out of it, we can > > work as full-time but only crazy people who might think Kibo is a > full-time > > job. It is not. For me, perhaps it is because I'm jobless. But I would > NEVER > > ever ask someone to quit his job. > > > > I'm not a kid, people. I've been around for sometime and I know who is > > serious and who is not. Who is fooling around and who is not. Who is > helpful > > and who is know. Who is understanding what we do and who is know. > > > > Gustavo showed a lot of positive stuff but at the same time, he > > misunderstood lots of things. Thus, he left. > > > > As for Svetlana, as I said, she is always following someone and can't > make > > her own decision herself. > > She was like either: +1 or -1 only. > > > >> > >> > >> I agree with us being too over exposed using launch pad. I proposed > >> alternatives. > >> > >> 1) mailman for mailing list with private archives which is very > >> beneficial. If the concern is that people's inboxes will get filled with > >> lots of emails that isnt the case that is up to them when they > subscribe. > >> They can subscribe to digest and get an email with multiple postings > instead > >> of individual emails. > > > > > > What are we waiting for?! I tell you what :) > > Because NONE of you replied my email about the roles, tasks, and all ... > go > > back to your inbox and see ;) > > > > That is why I sent these emails. So X knows what to do and Y knows what > to > > do. > > > >> > >> > >> 2) redmine this is a bug tracker as well as project management as well > as > >> version control integration and much more this is a great tool to have > in > >> place from now as we can use it to track bugs and issues on the website > and > >> more. > > > > > > I have never used it. If someone could take the time to explain that to > us, > > then why not? I am not against using anything good. WHY people can't get > > that straight? if someone has an opinion of a feedback, that does not > mean > > he/she is against the idea. > > > >> > >> > >> Ali you need to remember as well that things take time to build up a > >> following and you have to spend money to make it and in this case I am > >> helpign you with the amjjawad website as well as kibos for now as well > as > >> phil with the server. If you want this to succeed we need to move > forward > >> with actions and not rush things. > > > > > > I know that. Thanks for the reminder. Appreciate it. But, there is a HUGE > > misunderstanding here. > > > > We're confusing RUSHING with TAKING ACTIONS. > > > > And there are some other misunderstanding ... > > > >> > >> > >> I would suggest as well talking with Gustavo and putting together a > >> business plan so that way the business can be presented to investors > and we > >> get the cash we need to get established correctly. > > > > > > He has quit. > > Again, put yourself in my shoes. Would you accept someone joined you 3 > times > > and quit 3 times? > > And he made it extra clear when I tried to change his mind that he is no > > longer interested and can't help with Kibo. Why do I have to accept him > for > > the 4th time so he leaves again for the 4th time? again, what would YOU > do > > if you were in my place?! > > > >> > >> > >> Here is a quote from Michael Baisden and I agree with him totally. > >> > >> “those who fail to plan, plan to fail!” > > > > > > I am NOT blind so you don't really have to make it that large :) > > But thanks anyway. > > > > "People don't plan to fail, they fail to plan." > > > > In my case, I do plan but NO ONE wishes to listen nor discuss anything > and > > EVERYONE seems to push what he/she wants. NO, sorry, this is not what I > > want. This is not what a team is about. A team means: all of us are > smarter > > than anyone of us. Someone got upset just because we didn't take 'his' > > input. Why? ask them :) > > > > I have been rejected billion of times. What I have done? before I quit, I > > did what people told me in my face that this will fail. > > Example? > > I suggested a community spin for Lubuntu for super old machines. I got > > rejected by the majority of Lubuntu Community - no need to mention names. > > What I did? ToriOS and guess what? it is much lighter than Lubuntu :) > > > > I didn't quit right away when I got rejected nor someone disagreed with > me. > > I quit when I found myself zero helpful for Lubuntu after 2 years of > being > > the most active member of all and achieved what none achieved. > > > > If you are NOT sure what to do? don't do. Wait, think and then do. > > > > So, I would be very careful to accept both of them again in Kibo. They > were > > never rejected. We were only discussing the ideas. Once their ideas > aren't > > taken, they feel bad. Is this a school or what?! > > > > > >> > >> > >> Sadly with things being super rushed that is whats going to happen. > > > > > > Define: "super rushed", please! > > > > Who went to Phill for a server? Me? that was you :) > > Define: super rushed so we both be on the same page :D > > > > I'm afraid I'm lost. I don't know who is rushed and who is not :) > > All what I know is we're in different pages at the moment ... but that is > > not the end of the world. At least for me. > > > >> > >> Gustavo is a great and very helpful guy when it comes to this sort of > >> stuff and I know he wants this to succeed as well as I. > > > > > > He left. His choice. It wasn't about ME. He left for something else. Can > we > > all agree on that, please?! > > > >> > >> > >> I am telling you this as a friend and not only to you to everyone on > here. > >> It may seem harsh but its the hard truth and reality. > > > > > > You should know by now .. in fact, all of you that I respect those who > come > > and talk to me directly, not leaving after all what I have done for them > > without one single word. I admire what Gustavo did. But someone else left > > without a single word. What kind of respect is that? > > > > I admire your honesty. You do care, Jonathan. Otherwise, you wouldn't > spend > > time to write to me, right? so, I see that where it is coming from and I > > have NO problem with that. Even though your bring it to public, I don't > > mind. > > > >> > >> > >> -- > >> Jonathan Aquilina > > > > > > Sorry for the LONG email but I did this so we can END this right here and > > right now. NO talking about the past. Let's move forward. > > > > I already have Plan B, C, D, etc. > > I'll NOT rush things. > > > > Here is my request for now: > > I will NEVER ask anyone here to leave and I do HATE to see anyone leaves. > > You may all stay for now as volunteers. Once we have a clear solid > visible > > roadmap, we can see about that. > > > > Do not leave unless you feel so. > > I will not ask you to leave. Every word you contribute with is helpful. I > > have my own vision and I find everyone here is useful, even though > he/she is > > not doing anything at this moment, his/her moment will come. > > > > If we wish to carry on, we should let the past go and turn the page. > Learn > > from our mistakes for sure. > > If you wish to be stuck in the past, the present will be lost and so the > > future. > > > > Your call :) > > > > And this email for everyone, not for Jonathan nor someone, it is for > > everyone to read. > > > > -- > > Remember: "All of us are smarter than any one of us." > > Best Regards, > > Ali/amjjawad > > http://torios.org - StartUbuntu - Ubuntu GNOME - http://amjjawad.net > > > > -- > > Mailing list: https://launchpad.net/~kibo-project > > Post to : kibo-project@lists.launchpad.net > > Unsubscribe : https://launchpad.net/~kibo-project > > More help : https://help.launchpad.net/ListHelp > > > > > > -- > Whatever you can do, or dream you can, begin it. Boldness has genius, > power and magic in it. - Goethe > > Be who you are and say what you feel because those who mind don't > matter and those who matter don't mind. - Dr.Seuss > > Not everything that can be counted counts, and not everything that > counts can be counted. - Albert Einstein > -- Remember: "All of us are smarter than any one of us." Best Regards, Ali/amjjawad <https://wiki.ubuntu.com/amjjawad> http://torios.org - StartUbuntu <https://wiki.ubuntu.com/StartUbuntu> - Ubuntu GNOME <http://ubuntugnome.org/> - http://amjjawad.net
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