On Sun, Oct 31, 1999 at 11:10:09PM -0800, Nicole Zimmerman wrote:
> An interesting experience was brought up at the end: a male to female
> post-op was working as a computer programmer. After the operation, her
> salary decreased by $2000. My mouth definitely dropped open!

ah yes, the estrogen tax. :/ It makes sence when you hear that
women earn what (I am not on this years stat), 70-80% of what
men earn, so if someone does make a gender transition, then
their earning should reflect that. 

I found, that when I started CD'ing full time, passing only about
30% - 50% of the time (not on testosterone) I started making
20% more than I made with a traditional female/woman presentation.
Now, I'm back to passing less than 10% of the time, and at my new
job, I am making less.  course, my new job is at a .edu so that
prolly doesn't count ;)

also  more on topic, I was yakking with a bunch of my (male/man) geek
friends, and one of them made a comment about how every geek needs
a Vemla(sp, nerdy girl char from scobby doo) because she's smart
and wears short skirts. (I hate it when /. invades my house.)  I
brought up any number of assumptions my dear friend was making and
I got the classic dear-caught-in-head-lights look. So I have been
caught, yet again, assigning sexism/genderism to where mere
cluelessness would suffice.  So my question is more or less, Does
the origin (ie, actually *ism, cluelessness, trolling, etc) of the
*ist things which are said matter?

I mean the effect on ppl  seems the same (discomfort, getting defensive, 
going into "educating" mode). My SO is frequently telling me
"he didn't really /mean/ X, don't be so agro"... But if he didn't
really mean X, then he either said X to troll, or because he is 
clueless. Neither of which deserves a "well, that's nice, dear".

nico
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ND Hailey                                       www.demona.com
"You don't hardly know yourself, girl, till you find yourself
 doing things you never imagined." --Dorothy Allison 


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