ObQohelet1:9 I vaguely recall reading a diatribe against the degeneracy of the younger generation, written in ancient Greece. There have always been people who didn't want to learn.
-- Shmuel (Seymour J.) Metz http://mason.gmu.edu/~smetz3 ________________________________________ From: IBM Mainframe Discussion List [IBM-MAIN@LISTSERV.UA.EDU] on behalf of Shaffer, Terri [0000017d5f778222-dmarc-requ...@listserv.ua.edu] Sent: Tuesday, May 30, 2023 10:24 AM To: IBM-MAIN@LISTSERV.UA.EDU Subject: Re: [EXTERNAL] Re: zOSMF I have to disagree. First lets talk about the migration guide and how many products an average customer runs for a z/OS upgrade? Then how many of the hundreds of actions does any one customer need to actually perform? Then, I know many customers, who may apply one RSU once per year and just add 1-2 PTF for break fix, why would I ever want IBM to supply libraries past an RSU level? One stop shopping doesn’t allow the flexibility the mainframe has always provided, IBM should not dictate how I setup my shop. Lastly, isn’t the actual issue, no-one takes any initiative to learn anymore. Use the analogy of back in the 80's, how much with IOGENs and everything else IBM has done over the years to simplify the system programmers tasks. But now they want GUI/Clicky and removed the interface from the mainframe. Sorry but I have seen too many lockouts for this to work effectively.... Ms Terri E Shaffer Senior Systems Engineer, z/OS Support: ACIWorldwide – Telecommuter H(412-766-2697) C(412-519-2592) terri.shaf...@aciworldwide.com -----Original Message----- From: IBM Mainframe Discussion List <IBM-MAIN@LISTSERV.UA.EDU> On Behalf Of Mike Schwab Sent: Tuesday, May 30, 2023 10:11 AM To: IBM-MAIN@LISTSERV.UA.EDU Subject: Re: [EXTERNAL] Re: zOSMF EXTERNAL EMAIL: Do not click links or open attachments unless you know the content is safe. On Tue, May 30, 2023 at 9:04 AM Colin Paice <colinpai...@gmail.com> wrote: > > People feel that z/OSMF is not meeting their needs. Looking at the > positive side....If we wanted to get future z/OS newbies up to speed > very quickly (1 > month) What should IBM and us users be doing? > > 1. Making better use of existing tools? Eclipse ? > 2. Simplify the installation process (perhaps download the CST level of > code including SMP/E libraries - so we users do not need to use SMP/E - > just copy the libraries?) > 3. Simplify the configuration? (How many configuration parameters are no > longer needed and could just be set to "default") > 4. Drive everything from off-platform through Curl? > 5. Setting up Racf definitions for a new product can be challenging ... > how can we simplify this - for example products should provide members of > the definitions. It is easier to delete unwanted lines - than type in > definitions. > 6. .... > > Is there anything easy we/IBM could do to move in the right direction? > > Colin > Examine the current system, create a script to set the equivalent values for z/OSMF? ---------------------------------------------------------------------- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to lists...@listserv.ua.edu with the message: INFO IBM-MAIN ________________________________ [https://go.aciworldwide.com/rs/030-ROK-804/images/aci-footer.jpg] <http://www.aciworldwide.com/> This email message and any attachments may contain confidential, proprietary or non-public information. The information is intended solely for the designated recipient(s). If an addressing or transmission error has misdirected this email, please notify the sender immediately and destroy this email. Any review, dissemination, use or reliance upon this information by unintended recipients is prohibited. Any opinions expressed in this email are those of the author personally. ---------------------------------------------------------------------- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to lists...@listserv.ua.edu with the message: INFO IBM-MAIN ---------------------------------------------------------------------- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to lists...@listserv.ua.edu with the message: INFO IBM-MAIN
