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While I see where you went with your thought process, the mainframe I
don't think will ever get to a windows or Android mentality.
I mean I know IBM wants to make the mainframe less complex, but by design
that can only go so far.
For example, How many SMPE environments does a company have? How many
Catalogs> How are the volumes laid out? RES, DLIB, CATALOG, Paging, ETC...
Can you sort of automate the day to day management, or operations, yes.
Or how about how is maintenance applied, If I use your examples of
windows/Android. Its live update, not sure that would fly in any company.
And whats my backout if something doesn't work? Think of what you said,
your reset your phone and started again.. Hmmmm
z/OSMF is the IBM forced method here, and they have taken a process that
has worked for 25+ years, like I want to copy the old config settings from
a previous z/OS install. Why should I have to re-invent that wheel every
time I install z/OS? I use to be able to do a serverpac in a few hours,
now with the z/OSMF response time and issues, that isn't possible.
I still like the option that was mentioned, 2 switches, Novice, which
forces you do everything and advanced, which would allow me to bypass steps
or under the cover processes, IBM is forcing!! Its just like windows, when
I select advanced install option.
In a way I am glad I have only 7 more years left until retirement. I love
the mainframe and z/OS, but I avoid z/OSMF like the plague, I will only use
it for z/OS installs only because I am forced too..
Ms Terri E Shaffer
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Sent: Friday, May 26, 2023 12:38 PM
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Jack Zukt wrote, in part:
>The real problem, as I see it, is that drag and drop interfaces move
>you away from the need to know what you are doing.
That's the *goal*. Do you know what the Windows installer is doing?
Android? iOS? No you do not, beyond the high-level "putting **** in places"
and "making it bootable". While it makes me nervous because, like you, I've
been doing this for too long, most people see this as a good thing, and I
can't really dispute it.
In 1920, if you had a car, you understood air/fuel mixture, how to do oil
and tire changes, etc. Most people don't now, and that's not a bad thing.
Sure, occasionally they get stranded, but by and large, it Just Works.
On the flip side, I was switching phones and the migration failed. I did a
reset of the new phone and restarted it, and it worked the second time. Did
I understand the process? No. Did I need to? No. Am I happy that I couldn't
tell what failed? Not really, but, again, I really didn't need to. And
99.44% of people wouldn't care, as long as it worked the second try.
and Colin Paice asked:
>Would it help if we moved to standard configurations?
That's the point I made before: with Windows, you're forced into a fairly
standard configuration. With z/OS, it's a bit late (by almost six decades):
sites aren't going to rearrange everything. For new installs (all handful
of them), sure. But that doesn't really help at this point, alas.
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