Ninni,

The Hugin documentation provides a very reliable explanation for this : https://hugin.sourceforge.io/docs/manual/Hugin_Control_Points_tab.html and https://hugin.sourceforge.io/docs/manual/Horizontal_control_points.html

To see them in action : https://hugin.sourceforge.io/tutorials/perspective/en.shtml

On 14/05/2025 09:57, Ninni Curinga wrote:
can you please tell me how to add manually horizontal lines in each frame?
1)i am in Advanced Hugin mode
2)i add pictures (in the main "photo" window)
3)i usually click on "generate control points" (Hugin Cp Find mode)
4)and then i add/modify control points in the "control point" tab on high on the screen.

how to add horizontal line?
thank you

Il giorno martedì 13 maggio 2025 alle 23:09:31 UTC+2 GnomeNomad ha scritto:

    Hi, Ninni!

    I shoot a lot of sea horizons from shore. The best way I've found
    around the non-linear or wavy horizon issue is to go the Control
    Points tab and manually add horizontal lines to the horizon in
    each frame before generating any automatic control points.

    Then I run Hugin cpfind to generate automatic control points.

    This gives me consistent good results for a straight, level horizon.

    I think it also helps Hugin find good control points since it gets
    to start with a set of known good horizontal control points.

    Maybe that will help.

    Happy panorama making!

    On 5/13/25 02:33, Ninni Curinga wrote:
    Thank you again.
    yes i know what are control points, i also added them manually
    but still doesnt work good. as you wrote, my subjects are
    seaside, landscape and not rail. I always get a non-linear
    horizon or the repetition of the tip of Sicily at the bottom, as
    you can see in the file I sent. It's a shame that such expensive
    cameras don't have a built-in function like in smartphones that
    helps you create these kinds of pics. my last try will be Ptgui
    latest version, if it solves automatically this problem i ll buy.
    do you know some A.I. service that can help in creating 360* pic?

    Il giorno domenica 11 maggio 2025 alle 10:02:23 UTC+2
    [email protected] ha scritto:

        A few handheld shooting tricks:

        First of all concentrate on what your main subject will be.
        In your
        panorama, I guess the real subject is the sea and the
        mountain, maybe
        the wall and the pillar, but not the railing. This is very
        important
        because when shooting handheld, you will probably get
        parallax issues,
        unless the whole image is at the same distance from you. So
        to create
        the panorama, you will tell Hugin to choose points on this
        subject and
        to neglect points closer or farther than your main subject.

        I don't know if you started to read the Hugin documentation,
        but in
        order to understand the following suggestions, you must
        understand that
        Hugin uses "control points", points which are set on the same
        elements
        on contiguous images. Hugin usually sets control points in
        the middle of
        patches of the same colour.

        Try to take your pictures so that contiguous images will have
        static
        elements from this real subject in common. "Static" means
        obviously not
        on a wave or a moving car or the leaves of a tree in the
        wind, but also
        not on a cloud (unless you are trying to make a panorama of
        the sky
        itself). Those elements should not be too large. Not a close
        beach or
        big wall, but a foot print or a stone in the wall

        The more widespread are the control points, the better. For
        example,
        pick a few details on the coast, ideally at least two at the
        top and two
        at the bottom. For good results, the points should not be
        aligned, so
        that 3 points on the same the left edge of a building won't
        help as much
        as 2 on the left edge and 1 on the right edge (2 on the left
        edge and 2
        on the right edge will be even better). This means that you
        should
        ensure that the common part of contiguous images will allow
        for such
        points as much as possible. Obviously, this would not be
        possible for
        the part of your panorama where there is only the railing and
        the sea:
        the railing is not the main subject so that placing points on
        it will
        probably not give good results and I can see nothing which
        could be used
        as a control point in the sea. Which leads to my next
        suggestion:

        If there is a large space without any distinct element, try
        to take it
        in one picture. I am not sure if this would have been
        possible in your
        situation, but I would have tried to take the whole sea
        in one picture.
        This is also true with a not so large but important item, for
        example a
        building: try to take it whole in one picture. BTW, judging
        by your
        shadow, you are using your camera in portrait mode. You could
        also use
        it in landscape mode, in order to get a wider horizontal
        field of view.
        Hugin is perfectly able to create a panorama from a set
        containing
        portrait and landscape pictures.

        Check if there is a better place to take your pictures from.
        Sometimes,
        moving just a few steps can help make parallax issues less
        obvious. For
        example, I would have tried to take the pictures from closer
        to the
        railings, in order to get them out of the way as much as
        possible.

        One advice, less related to shooting: If you know how to use
        an image
        processing software like the Gimp, make Hugin create a
        "Normal panorama
        with layered TIFF output", you will get a TIFF with one layer
        per photo
        and you will be able to define precisely which photo to use
        for each
        zone of the panorama, which can be useful to avoid some
        issues like the
        discontinuities in the railings. This also allows you to use
        parallax to
        hide elements: if there is an ugly road sign, take one
        picture, move one
        step to the right or to the left and take the same picture,
        then in the
        panorama you can choose the visible part of each source image
        so that
        the road sign will "disappear". Or take a few pictures of the
        same scene
        with people moving around and you can "erase" the people.

        > On 10/05/2025 17:43, Ninni Curinga wrote:
        >> i would like to learn to make there shots without tripod
        even because
        >> i m a hobbist so it's difficult for me to bring tripod
        everytime
        >> expecially when i travel with low cost company :-D any
        help is
        >> appreciated
        >> Ninni
        >>

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