Hello Siva,

 I'll try and chime in.

1. The main problem that is at stake here is improving Firefox for
websites that our users actually use. We fight a perpetual fight to
improve Firefox for our users, which means that we need to know where to
spend our limited resources. While we can manually or semi-automatically
test a number of websites to find out whether, for instance, Firefox 55
is faster or slower than the previous version, for the moment, we have
to rely upon guesses to determine whether these are websites that our
users actually use.

With more data, we could automatically determine such information and more.

For instance, we could correlate this with crash reports of users who
choose to submit these reports and automatically find out that since
version 60 of Firefox, site foobar.com causes crashes, or maybe that
crashes have decreased on that site since the release of a new graphics
driver. Or we could correlate this with performance reports of users who
opt-in for such reports and automatically find out that since version 60
of Firefox, our performance on foobar.com has improved/decreased.

So, to summarize:

- being able to apply effort to websites that matter to our users;

- being able to automatically detect problems (or improvements) on websites.



2. I don't know the details sufficiently to answer on this point.
However, I can give you my personal thoughts on it.

We have known for long (by comparing our data with other available
sources of data such as Alexa) that there is a considerable bias between
users that opt-in for Telemetry and the rest of our users. Users who
opt-in for Telemetry are typically much more technically aware than
other users, but also some countries were largely over-represented.



3. That's a UX question, so that's pretty far from my expertise, but
there is already a section "Firefox Data Collection and Use" in
preferences, which may be used to opt-in/opt-out. I also seem to
remember that Firefox actually asks you upon first installation whether
you are ok with sending data.


I hope this helps,
 David

On 22/08/17 16:44, siva.rk.sw--- via governance wrote:
>> Asks for sensitive data center most commonly around knowing something in
>> relation to which sites a user visits:
>>
>>    -
>>
>>    "Which top sites are users visiting?"
>>    -
>>
>>    "Which sites using Flash does a user encounter?"
>>    -
>>
>>    "Which sites does a user see heavy Jank on?"
>>
>> In summary most asks are for occurrences of an event X per domain (more
>> specifically eTLD+1 [1], e.g. facebook.com or google.co.uk).
> 
> 
> Hello Georg, three questions:
> 
> 1. Could you explain exactly what kinds of problems (which are currently a 
> big source of trouble) would be solved easily with the currently proposed 
> plan? And also what kinds of problems cannot be solved with this data, but 
> could be solved with more invasive data collection?
> 
> 2. What exactly is the problem if the collection is opt-in? Yes the data is 
> "biased", so what? Are you worried that you might miss certain issues faced 
> mostly by users who don't opt in? Is there any justification for this 
> argument, or is it just a hunch?
> 
> 3. For those users who consider privacy most valuable, would there be an easy 
> way to opt out, which *guarantees* that Mozilla collects *no information* 
> about their browser usage?
> 
> Thank you.
> 
> Siva
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