On Sun, Jan 15, 2012 at 6:08 PM, Joe Schaefer <joe_schae...@yahoo.com> wrote: >> From: Robert Burrell Donkin <robertburrelldon...@gmail.com> >> To: general@incubator.apache.org >> Cc: >> Sent: Sunday, January 15, 2012 12:01 PM >> Subject: Re: Parking Projects [WAS Re: -1 on this months board report (was: >> Small but otherwise happy podlings)] >> >> On Sun, Jan 15, 2012 at 4:48 PM, Joe Schaefer <joe_schae...@yahoo.com> >> wrote: >>> It is good that someone finally explained their opinion of >>> a mentor's responsibility to the IPMC out in the open. Let >>> me disagree with you that mentors are not supposed to be put >>> in the position of judging whether or not a podling is actually >>> making progress or not. If mentors don't do that, who does? >>> The chair? A super-committee? Nobody? >> >> Last time I looked, the board charge the IPMC with this duty, not Mentors > > Last time I looked, mentors were delegated this duty by the IPMC. > If not, let's go ahead and do that just to add clarity.
Last time I looked, every Mentor is on the IPMC: http://incubator.apache.org/incubation/Roles_and_Responsibilities.html#Mentor "All Mentors must be members of the Incubator PMC. " >> >>> While I certainly don't expect you as a mentor to "fix all that >>> is broken in the Incubator" single-handedly, I do expect you >>> to care enough to try and "fix all that is broken" in your >> podling. >>> It shouldn't take a board member's opinion for you to critically >>> review the reports of your podling and provide them with your own >>> feedback on how they are doing. That IMO is what you signed up >>> to do as mentor. >> >> I have no legal training. I'm not CEO of Oracle. I don't have the >> US$100B that would be required to buy Oracle. I now have limited >> computer access time. I am now incapable of driving public campaigns >> to influence corporate behaviour. >> >> I admit that there are some things that I can fix. The JCP is just one of >> them. > > There's always the realistic and humble approach of changing the things > you can change instead of idly waiting for events beyond your control to > transpire. > >> >>> Why do we need these obscure notions to characterize a failed incubation >>> effort? Can't we be adults and say it simply didn't work out, no >>> harm no foul, best of luck in your future endeavors elsewhere? >>> I sure hope we aren't going to get into the business of promising >>> zombie projects a perpetual home in the incubator. >> >> Kato is stalled by external events over which the contributors and >> Mentors have no control. Mark and freeze would at least inform anyone >> who wants to terminate the podling to do so. >> >> Robert >> >> --------------------------------------------------------------------- >> To unsubscribe, e-mail: general-unsubscr...@incubator.apache.org >> For additional commands, e-mail: general-h...@incubator.apache.org >> > > --------------------------------------------------------------------- > To unsubscribe, e-mail: general-unsubscr...@incubator.apache.org > For additional commands, e-mail: general-h...@incubator.apache.org > -- http://www.grobmeier.de https://www.timeandbill.de --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: general-unsubscr...@incubator.apache.org For additional commands, e-mail: general-h...@incubator.apache.org
