True, but decisions can't be delegated to individuals, only tasks. Robert conveniently blurs the two.
----- Original Message ----- > From: Christian Grobmeier <grobme...@gmail.com> > To: general@incubator.apache.org; Joe Schaefer <joe_schae...@yahoo.com> > Cc: > Sent: Sunday, January 15, 2012 12:24 PM > Subject: Re: Parking Projects [WAS Re: -1 on this months board report (was: > Small but otherwise happy podlings)] > > On Sun, Jan 15, 2012 at 6:08 PM, Joe Schaefer <joe_schae...@yahoo.com> > wrote: >>> From: Robert Burrell Donkin <robertburrelldon...@gmail.com> >>> To: general@incubator.apache.org >>> Cc: >>> Sent: Sunday, January 15, 2012 12:01 PM >>> Subject: Re: Parking Projects [WAS Re: -1 on this months board report > (was: Small but otherwise happy podlings)] >>> >>> On Sun, Jan 15, 2012 at 4:48 PM, Joe Schaefer > <joe_schae...@yahoo.com> >>> wrote: >>>> It is good that someone finally explained their opinion of >>>> a mentor's responsibility to the IPMC out in the open. Let >>>> me disagree with you that mentors are not supposed to be put >>>> in the position of judging whether or not a podling is actually >>>> making progress or not. If mentors don't do that, who does? >>>> The chair? A super-committee? Nobody? >>> >>> Last time I looked, the board charge the IPMC with this duty, not > Mentors >> >> Last time I looked, mentors were delegated this duty by the IPMC. >> If not, let's go ahead and do that just to add clarity. > > Last time I looked, every Mentor is on the IPMC: > http://incubator.apache.org/incubation/Roles_and_Responsibilities.html#Mentor > "All Mentors must be members of the Incubator PMC. " > > > > >>> >>>> While I certainly don't expect you as a mentor to "fix > all that >>>> is broken in the Incubator" single-handedly, I do expect you >>>> to care enough to try and "fix all that is broken" in > your >>> podling. >>>> It shouldn't take a board member's opinion for you to > critically >>>> review the reports of your podling and provide them with your own >>>> feedback on how they are doing. That IMO is what you signed up >>>> to do as mentor. >>> >>> I have no legal training. I'm not CEO of Oracle. I don't have > the >>> US$100B that would be required to buy Oracle. I now have limited >>> computer access time. I am now incapable of driving public campaigns >>> to influence corporate behaviour. >>> >>> I admit that there are some things that I can fix. The JCP is just one > of them. >> >> There's always the realistic and humble approach of changing the things >> you can change instead of idly waiting for events beyond your control to >> transpire. >> >>> >>>> Why do we need these obscure notions to characterize a failed > incubation >>>> effort? Can't we be adults and say it simply didn't work > out, no >>>> harm no foul, best of luck in your future endeavors elsewhere? >>>> I sure hope we aren't going to get into the business of > promising >>>> zombie projects a perpetual home in the incubator. >>> >>> Kato is stalled by external events over which the contributors and >>> Mentors have no control. Mark and freeze would at least inform anyone >>> who wants to terminate the podling to do so. >>> >>> Robert >>> >>> --------------------------------------------------------------------- >>> To unsubscribe, e-mail: general-unsubscr...@incubator.apache.org >>> For additional commands, e-mail: general-h...@incubator.apache.org >>> >> >> --------------------------------------------------------------------- >> To unsubscribe, e-mail: general-unsubscr...@incubator.apache.org >> For additional commands, e-mail: general-h...@incubator.apache.org >> > > > > -- > http://www.grobmeier.de > https://www.timeandbill.de > > --------------------------------------------------------------------- > To unsubscribe, e-mail: general-unsubscr...@incubator.apache.org > For additional commands, e-mail: general-h...@incubator.apache.org > --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: general-unsubscr...@incubator.apache.org For additional commands, e-mail: general-h...@incubator.apache.org
