Another example that riled up the right was the removal of confederate 
monuments after murder of George Floyd.  
To me it is a stronger form of taking down a picture of an ex or removing a 
book from the bookshelf you know you won’t read or use, but it seeing it 
reminds of you of bad times.   And to me it resonates to the objection to 
cancel culture.    A group canceling someone is a collective securing 
psychological safety rather than an individual.   A perceived noise source is 
disconnected.   Perhaps there is signal in that noise, but it is deemed not 
worth the cycles to filter it.  

These things, I’d argue, are like a cleaning-out dirty records from a database 
(or attenuating weights on the connections of a neuron, etc.), and directing 
attention elsewhere.   It’s necessary because attention can’t be given to 
everything.   Some axioms contradict other axioms.   However, it means 
relearning how to interact in a world without those people or objects.   
Learning is hard, and people resist doing it.   They’d rather have their dirty 
database and expect others to conform to it.

 

From: Friam <friam-boun...@redfish.com> On Behalf Of steve smith
Sent: Saturday, November 9, 2024 9:46 AM
To: friam@redfish.com
Subject: Re: [FRIAM] How democracies die

 

 

On 11/9/24 9:06 AM, Marcus Daniels wrote:

Someone I know decided to legally change their name (not their gender) when 
they were relatively young.   Their family (young and old) simply refused to 
respect this change, and to this day continues to use their given name.  It’s 
malicious and I see it causes pain.  It seems to me the discomfort with trans 
people in part comes from refusing to revise knowledge and let people that wish 
to divorce aspects of the past.   I am not sure whether this is a preference or 
a cognitive limitation of the people that do it.  I think some of both. 

And I know (of) several people who have entirely turned their backs on their 
families of origin, sometimes just on their parents, other times on specific 
siblings, and other times the entire nuclear family-of-origin.  

In most cases, as best I can tell, this was not over any singular incident or 
grievance but in fact a pattern of the group entirely denying the reality of 
the individual?   

It seems more rare for an individual to be excommunicated from the (family) 
group entirely, just avoided/shunned somewhat (e.g. Q/MAGA-ranting uncle given 
the wrong time for T-day dinner so those who want to leave early can avoid him 
entirely).     I suspect those who extracted themselves from the toxicity of 
their family-of-origin so completely knew something the rest of the group was 
willfully ignorant of about themselves.  

I've been "threatened" by others' self-image/identity before... sometimes 
because it is a belligerent, threatening identity (e.g. EricS's "performative 
cruelty" admonition), and sometimes because it reflects back to me something 
about myself I don't want to see (including possible streaks of "performative 
cruelty").   But in the long run, I think it has provided me with some 
reflective guidance on "who *I* want to be" (whatever that agentic-free-will 
concept grounds to).   

The current fetish for (toxic-levels) of alpha-masculinity (Trump/Rogan/Musk 
weird-energy-triumvirate?) seem to be (everything) phobic...   I have ideated 
on each of their brands of "success" (wealth, power, influence, physical 
prowess) and even obtained little-fish/big-puddle quantities from time to time, 
but fundamentally it did not satisfy (or maybe the grapes were just sour?).  

 

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