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<[email protected]> On Thu, May 12, 2022 at 11:55 AM glen <[email protected]> wrote: > I've always wondered why we obsessively dichotomize. I've tried to express > my confusion in the context of the law of noncontradiction and excluded > middle since my 1st (authentic) analysis course in college. I'd caught a > whiff of intuitionism by that time and asked my prof about it. He wisely > feigned ignorance and suggested I do my homework. > > When Dave asks a question like "What is the negation of evolution?", it > absolutely *begs* us to avoid negation ... this silly impulse to think in > dichotomies. Negation is a stupid concept, perhaps the most Evil human > invention ... maybe 2nd only to religion. And juxtaposed with evolution, > which relies heavily on high-dimensional contexts, makes it crystal clear > how stupid a concept negation actually is. > > Now, "opposition" carries much more ambiguity. One could think of it (and > "reaction") in something like Newton's 3rd law. But the ambiguity also > allows us to think in terms of a bushy opposition or "response", rather > than negation or reaction. So kudos to the quotees who used the more > ambiguous term, helping us think a little more broadly. And woe to those > who read the ambiguous term and preemptively register it as the > miniscule-minded concept of negation. > > That bushy opposition flows nicely into Dave's invocation of "stress". In > the past, I've expressed affinity with the (ole timey) Cynics who flout > contemporary norms and attempt for Flow. But if I'm honest, I'm actually > anti-Flow ... or maybe it's a kind of processor-sliced-multi-Flow. The only > time I feel authentic is when I'm surfing a stressful context ... like some > adrenaline junky hopping from one brief high to another. Comfort, Groove, > Flow, Eudaimonia, are most accurately mapped to something like laminar > death. Turbulence is the new groovy. Flow is for squares, man. > > On 5/10/22 21:06, Marcus Daniels wrote: > > Wokeness or antifa are two reactions to bad faith. At some point > communication is no longer occurring and it is delusional to expect a civil > dialog. When that happens it is just a matter of whether to keep taking a > beating in the name of a principle that the other party does not care about > (who IS the audience for this demonstration of futility?) or to use other > means that they cannot ignore. > > > > Another way to deal with Trump-like people on social media would be to > scale the the fact checking with the lying, so that liars have an > unblockable paragraph of injected correction surrounding each false claim. > Unfortunately then the squeaky wheel gets the grease, and that the > narcissist gets the attention they seek. In that sense cancellation is > better. > > > >> On May 10, 2022, at 7:42 PM, Prof David West <[email protected]> > wrote: > >> > >> > >> Quotes: > >> > >> /"A thing without oppositions ipso facto does not exist ... existence > lies in opposition."/ C.S. Peirce. > >> > >> /"It is the hallmark of any deep truth that its negation is also a deep > truth." /Neils Bohr. > >> > >> Questions: > >> What is the negation of evolution? Natural Selection? Survival of the > 'Fittest'? > >> > >> What is the negation of 'bleeding heart liberalism'? Of Trumpism? Of > "wokeness?" > >> > >> Quote: > >> > >> /"Examine the lives of the best and most fruitful people and peoples > and ask yourselves whether a tree which is supposed to grow to a proud > height could do so without bad weather and storms; /*[1]* /whether > misfortune and external resistance, whether any kinds of hatred, jealousy, > stubbornness, mistrust, hardness, greed, and violence to not belong to the > *_favorable_* conditions without which any great grown even of virtue is > scarecely possible." F. Nietzsche (emphasis his)/ > >> > >> *[1] *The Biosphere 2 project encountered a problem with trees falling > over far before they reached their maturity. It was from lack of wind. Wind > and mechanical stress was required to grow the hard tissues that allowed > the tree to stand. > >> > >> Questions: > >> > >> To what extent do we (denizens of FRIAM and their local cultures) > require the kinds of stress being encountered in the world? > >> > >> I suspect that there needs to be a balance between realizable > civilization and stresses, but how is that balance defoined and, more > importantly, found and maintained? > >> > >> Concrete example of last question: Will the Twitterites end up being a > better or worse 'culture' post-Musk? > >> > >> davew > > > -- > Mɥǝu ǝlǝdɥɐuʇs ɟᴉƃɥʇ' ʇɥǝ ƃɹɐss snɟɟǝɹs˙ > > -. --- - / ...- .- .-.. .. -.. / -- --- .-. ... . / -.-. --- -.. . > FRIAM Applied Complexity Group listserv > Fridays 9a-12p Friday St. Johns Cafe / Thursdays 9a-12p Zoom > bit.ly/virtualfriam > un/subscribe <http://bit.ly/virtualfriamun/subscribe> > http://redfish.com/mailman/listinfo/friam_redfish.com > FRIAM-COMIC http://friam-comic.blogspot.com/ > archives: 5/2017 thru present > https://redfish.com/pipermail/friam_redfish.com/ > 1/2003 thru 6/2021 http://friam.383.s1.nabble.com/ >
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