Some good news in the case: Olympia police arrest man accused of shooting Proud Boy member during Sept. 4 clashes https://www.theolympian.com/news/local/crime/article254494632.html
To be clear, we've had a front row seat for awhile. Reinoehl was killed in Lacey, which is tortuously intertwined with Olympia. I'm glad they didn't just kill this loser. But, assuming his day in court demonstrates his guilt, they'd better toss him in jail. I don't quite understand why you capitalize "BUT" below. Had the local Antifa clearly parallaxed their values up front, similar to the way the Proud Boys parallax their values, it would have been more clear that this moron should not have brought his gun to town. The video of the shooting clearly delineates the Antifa who are (rapidly) walking away from the Proud Boy brown shirts. The distinction between those Antifa and the idiot who turns and fires his gun haphazardly is quite clear. If values parallax is irrelevant to action, what mechanism do you propose? On 9/22/21 6:04 PM, Steve Smith wrote: > Re: > > /refused to admit that Antifa is categorically different from the Proud > Boys/ > > And you now have a front-row seat to all this... ? > > https://www.oregonlive.com/pacific-northwest-news/2021/09/1-prominent-member-of-proud-boys-shot-in-foot-after-groups-clash-in-olympia.html > > I have a hard time seeing these value-parallax-differences as anything BUT > that. I still believe (imagine?) that the basis space implied by *my* > values are somehow more better (in the sense of goodNevil) than others, but > that doesn't stop me from recognizing that (many/most?) others are just > following *their* best guess of what is "good", even when it goes acutely > counter to my own. > > On 9/22/21 3:40 PM, uǝlƃ ☤>$ wrote: >> >> >> Value alignment is Big News in AI these days. And when someone uses language >> to curiously prod at whether or not my values are aligned with theirs, I >> take that as a compliment ... and an invitation to ask what they mean by >> "right" and "healthcare". But it all depends on my attitude at the time, I >> guess. When a coworker recently refused to admit that Antifa is >> categorically different from the Proud Boys, at first I didn't get >> irritated. I tried to lay out as many different forms of the argument as I >> could. But he shunted each one by returning to his "both side-ism" ... like >> we were Fox News panelists or somesuch. >> >> And *that* irritated me. He wasn't trying to find alignment in values. He >> was trying to assert his values, win the game, make sure we played on his >> field. And that's not really all that fun. -- "Better to be slapped with the truth than kissed with a lie." ☤>$ uǝlƃ .-- .- -. - / .- -.-. - .. --- -. ..--.. / -.-. --- -. .--- ..- --. .- - . FRIAM Applied Complexity Group listserv Zoom Fridays 9:30a-12p Mtn UTC-6 bit.ly/virtualfriam un/subscribe http://redfish.com/mailman/listinfo/friam_redfish.com FRIAM-COMIC http://friam-comic.blogspot.com/ archives: 5/2017 thru present https://redfish.com/pipermail/friam_redfish.com/ 1/2003 thru 6/2021 http://friam.383.s1.nabble.com/
