On 12/02/17 18:31, Adam Weinberger wrote:
On 2 Dec, 2017, at 13:41, Baho Utot <baho-u...@columbus.rr.com> wrote:
On 12/2/2017 1:43 PM, Mark Linimon wrote:
On Sat, Dec 02, 2017 at 11:53:58AM +0000, Carmel NY wrote:
Looking back at other port management utilities like "portmanager",
"portmaster", "portupgrade" and now "synth", The FreeBSD team has
done a pretty good job of obfuscating and rendering them impotent.
That's one possible explanation. Or, as Occam's Razor suggests, they
continue to try to modernize the Ports Collection, despite obstacles
(including stale codebases and stubborn maintainers).
I'll admit some of the transitions have been pretty rough. But when
you go back and look at Ports as of e.g. FreeBSD 4, there have been a
lot of good changes -- including some which were necessary due to sheer
scale.
If we had stayed with what we had then, the whole thing would have
collapsed by now.
mcl
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What you have noe is not that great either. When is base going to be
packed.....ie something that makes sense and works?
You seem very angry about things breaking in HEAD, Baho. Things break in HEAD
sometimes. This is why we recommend that end-users who can't have breakages, or
users who depend on undeveloped tools, stay on the quarterly branch. Portmaster
works perfectly on quarterly. Always has.
Everyone understands that poudriere isn't for everybody---Steve Kargl outlined
a pretty classic example of a workflow and system that aren't amenable to
poudriere. We've asked repeatedly for people to work on portmaster. Far more
people complain about it breaking than put in ANY effort to fix it.
HEAD is for development. You have to tolerate breakage on HEAD, and participate
in fixing things, otherwise you need to switch to the quarterly branches.
# Adam
I don't use HEAD. I use Quartlery with synth. It is just I expect a
little more than amature hour. I was on Archlinux for 10 years and they
are very bleeding edge. Almost No breakage in ten years. The only
reason I left Linux was systemd. After landing in FreeBSD the experence
has been terrible at best, I have been a user for more than 5 years
hoping that things would get better after seeing all the work promised
not getting done. I am done with FreeBSD and I am going to my own
scratch built Linux. I already have all my raspberry pi on my own linux
version and now I am working on moving my desktops. Should be complete
by the end of the year.
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