On Monday, February 10, 2014 12:48:31 AM UTC-5, stathisp wrote: > > On 9 February 2014 22:40, Craig Weinberg <[email protected] <javascript:>> > wrote: > > > > > > On Sunday, February 9, 2014 4:27:57 AM UTC-5, stathisp wrote: > >> > >> On 9 February 2014 15:11, Craig Weinberg <[email protected]> wrote: > >> > > >> > > >> > On Saturday, February 8, 2014 8:47:26 PM UTC-5, stathisp wrote: > >> >> > >> >> On 7 February 2014 07:47, Bruno Marchal <[email protected]> wrote: > >> >> > >> >> >> Well, I *could* be a zombie and still say that, unless you > consider > >> >> >> the idea of zombies contradictory (which maybe it is). > >> >> > > >> >> > > >> >> > I bet you are not a zombie. But you seem to illustrate my point, > if > >> >> > epiphenomenalism is true, despite you are not a zombie, you could > be > >> >> > one, > >> >> > and that is a step toward the elimination of the person. > >> >> > >> >> I know I'm not a zombie, but you don't know that. > >> > > >> > > >> > You might know it intuitively, but not be able to justify it > logically. > >> > >> If part of the defiinition of consciousness is that I know I am > >> conscious if I am conscious, then it's perfectly logical. > > > > > > I meant to say "I might know it intuitively, but not be able to justify > it > > logically". > > > > i.e., maybe part of the definition of being conscious is to know who > else is > > conscious (with some dynamic margin of error greater than our self > > knowledge). > > What if I tell you I am actually a computer program? What if we have > this conversation in 30 years time, when computer programs have got > much better at mimicking humans and no-one can consistently tell them > apart? >
Then you would be begging the question. I am saying that in my understanding, there will never be computer programs that no-one can tell apart (though at some point they may find it easier if they have other computer programs to help them do that). All that people need do is to meet each other in person - shake their hands, look them in the eye, spend some time together. The fact that someone can be fooled by a recording or a mannequin does not mean that inimitable nature consciousness is in doubt. Craig > > > -- > Stathis Papaioannou > -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "Everything List" group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to [email protected]. To post to this group, send email to [email protected]. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/everything-list. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/groups/opt_out.
