On Tuesday, May 27, 2025 at 5:53:18 AM UTC-6 John Clark wrote:
On Mon, May 26, 2025 at 8:46 PM Alan Grayson <[email protected]> wrote: *>> Name one physical principle on any subject in which measurement accuracy was NOT an important factor in checking its correctness. * *> While they're generally idealizations which depend on measurements for verification, the EP fails straight out in most cases, with accurate measurements. The EP depends on poor measurements, unlike the other cases. AG * *I am unable to make any sense whatsoever out of the above word salad. * The meaning is obvious. One requires poor measurements to affirm the EP, whereas, say for other laws, the better the measurements, the more sure we are of those laws. AG *>>> That's pretty obvious regardless of contrary opinions, including Einstein's. AG * *>> I would be willing to bet money that there is no true fact about physics that is obvious to you that was not obvious to Albert Einstein. I could say the same thing about me, but unlike you I'm smart enough to know that I'm not smarter than Einstein. * *> Did you know that Einstein believed in the aether* *Einstein is the one who killed the idea of the aether in 1905 with his paper on Special Relativity. And if you'd been around in 1879 when Einstein was born would you have said it's "pretty obvious" the aether didn't exist? I don't think so. * Later in his career, Einstein embraced an aether of some type. Look it up and you'll affirm it. AG *Incidentally 1905 was a very good year for Einstein, in that year he published another paper on the Photoelectric Effect which was what earned him the Nobel Prize. And still in 1905 Einstein wrote a paper that gave the theoretical explanation for Brownian Motion and for the first time allowed someone to calculate the size of atoms, and that finally convinced the last holdouts that atoms were real. * *And in 1917 Einstein used Quantum Mechanics to discover "Stimulated Emission", the fundamental principle that allows the LASER to work, in fact the word is an acronym that stands for Light Amplification by Stimulated Emission of Radiation. **Even if Einstein had not said one word about Special or General Relativity he would've still been considered one of the greatest physicists of the 20th century, as it is the only one who made a comparable contribution to physics would be Isaac Newton. They are in a class by themselves. * * > he didn't believe in QM,* *Bullshit. Einstein was one of the principal pioneers of Quantum Mechanics, in fact that's what he got his Nobel prize in 1921 for, it was NOT for Relativity. Einstein believed that Quantum Mechanics was true but incomplete, and it may turn out he was right about that, he also thought the Copenhagen interpretation was gibberish, and he was certainly right about that. * *> and surely not Everett's interpretation,* *True, Einstein didn't believe in the Everett interpretation, but he didn't disbelieve in the Everett interpretation either. That's because Everett didn't come up with his interpretation until 1957. Einstein died in 1955. * I am aware of those dates, but I seriously doubt Einstein would have accepted Everett's interpretation if he denied the final form of QM, and its general philosophy of indeterminism. AG * > according to you and the AI, the EP was crucial in the development of GR,* *According to Einstein too, he said he came up with the Equivalence Principle in 1907 and it was the "happiest thought" of his life, although it took him another 8 years of grueling work to state that simple idea in the language of non-Euclidean 4D tensor calculus. He worked so hard on it he lost 50 pounds and nearly died. * * John K Clark See what's on my new list at Extropolis <https://groups.google.com/g/extropolis>* d4c -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "Everything List" group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to [email protected]. To view this discussion visit https://groups.google.com/d/msgid/everything-list/9f355493-d8a0-4b1b-8bf1-3b18f8ce3a2cn%40googlegroups.com.
