On 5/27/2025 1:22 PM, Alan Grayson wrote:


On Tuesday, May 27, 2025 at 12:37:00 PM UTC-6 Brent Meeker wrote:



    On 5/26/2025 10:16 PM, Alan Grayson wrote:


    On Monday, May 26, 2025 at 11:07:03 PM UTC-6 Brent Meeker wrote:



        On 5/26/2025 9:29 PM, Alan Grayson wrote:


        On Monday, May 26, 2025 at 7:44:59 PM UTC-6 Brent Meeker wrote:



            On 5/26/2025 2:51 PM, Alan Grayson wrote:


            On Monday, May 26, 2025 at 5:57:36 AM UTC-6 John Clark
            wrote:

                On Sun, May 25, 2025 at 3:33 PM Alan Grayson
                <[email protected]> wrote:

                    /> I'm disagreeing with anyone, including you,
                    who thinks the EP is an absolute, when in fact
                    it's a relative, an approximation./


                The Equivalence Principle, which is the foundation
                of General Relativity, states that at sufficiently
                small scales there is no way to tell the difference
                between a gravitational field and a simple
                acceleration. And it is not an approximation. But
                is it always correct? That is not certain because
                General Relativity does not take Quantum Mechanics
                into account, nevertheless so far at least the
                Equivalence Principle has easily passed every
                experimental test put to it.


            *Since the EP depends on measurement accuracy, it's
            mischaracterized as some absolute principle. That's
            pretty obvious regardless of contrary opinions,
            including Einstein's. AG
            *
            It was just an inspiring idea that Einstein had.  It
            didn't need to have three digit accuracy.

            Brent


        *Sure, but inspiring how, in what way? No one seems able to
        put some beef on this. AG
        *
        He saw that gravity didn't need to be treated as a force, it
        could be treated as force-free motion in non-flat spacetime. 
        This explained why all objects, whatever the material, fall
        with the same acceleration, something already determined
        experimentally by Baron von Etvos.  It's sometimes referred
        to as inertial mass = gravitational mass.

        Brent


    *Interesting, TY, but does GR explain the acceleration? AG*
    I just wrote, "This explained why all objects, whatever the
    material, fall with the same acceleration,.."

    Brent


*Change in position must occur because (I conjecture) geodesic motion depends on time, which is always incrementing. Doesn't this imply that every test particle has its own clock, *
Right

*or there's a universal clock which every particle can read? *
One uses a t coordinate which is just to label events, as do x, y, and z  But it's not necessarily anyone's time.

*And why does acceleration exist; because the velocity vector changes direction due to the curvature of spacetime? TY, AG*
Following a geodesic, /force-free/ motion, is not acceleration in general relativity.  It is an extremal path, one of maximum proper time.  The four-velocity changes both direction and magnitude, due the curvature of spacetime.

Brent

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