On 21 Jun 2023 at 11:37, (-Phil-) via EV wrote: > The car can also log data from the supercharger and cache it for later > upload when the car gets back into cell range.
This is what I find unsettling about Teslas. Actually all cars do something similar now but it could be said that Tesla was a leader in making vehicles that set fire to your privacy. Back when the Model S was new the New York Time (I think it was) published a hit piece on it. Using the car's spy computer, Musk revealed that the tester / writer had driven in circles in a parking lot to deliberately drain the battery. A lot of folks on this list were jubilant. I found it seriously unsettling that a Tesla would log that much information about where the driver was, when, how he drove, and much more. More recently it emerged that Tesla employees were passing round images taken by Tesla cameras: https://www.reuters.com/technology/tesla-workers-shared-sensitive-images- recorded-by-customer-cars-2023-04-06/ or https://v.gd/l23Ra9 You can't call that anything but voyeurism. Your car knows a LOT about you, and it rats you out to the company that made it. This has been used to prosecute people. The case that sticks in my mind (though it's not an EV) took place a few years ago in the UK. A person was convicted of murder on the evidence from his car's computer. He had parked the car in the area where a body was found. The car had logged - and told the server - that he'd also opened and closed the boot (trunk). Now you might say "Well, sure. He was a bad guy. He should have been busted." And that might be true, though the car log is purely circumstantial evidence. But there are many less legitimate things that people with authority can do with such data. I don't know about you, but I don't trust them to not abuse it. Maybe you're also thinking, "They can look at everything I do; I don't care. My life is boring. I have nothing to hide." Edward Snowden once said, "Arguing that you don't care about the right to privacy because you have nothing to hide is no different from saying that you don't care about free speech because you have nothing to say." Sorry for the somewhat off topic rant. David Roden, EVDL moderator & general lackey To reach me, don't reply to this message; I won't get it. Use my offlist address here : http://evdl.org/help/index.html#supt = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = I see a set of solutions but I don't know what problems they exist to solve other than "How can we use these to absorb all this spare money that's washing around?" -- Brian Eno on Cryptocurrency and NFTs = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = _______________________________________________ Address messages to ev@lists.evdl.org No other addresses in TO and CC fields HELP: http://www.evdl.org/help/
