On 17 May 2023 at 6:52, Josh Landess via EV wrote: > > "...I don't know that you have noticed, but there is quite a bit of > > Tesla negativism" here on EVDL. I fail to understand it. ..." > >
I wouldn't say that there's "quite a bit of Tesla negativism" here. Maybe it seems that way to the folks who are devoted Tesla fans and loyalists. There are a few of us who have reservations about Tesla's cars, Tesla, and/or its CEO. There are also a few who seem to have unswerving loyalty to the cars, the company, and the CEO. I think that the two sides probably just about balance out. > As for myself, I have mixed views. They do not balance out to exactly > "equal", but I try to give credit ... I guess I have a summary view on > certain things. I haven't taken a survey and I don't plan to, but my impression is that most people here also fall somewhere in the middle. > In the particular case of the issue under discussion (incentives for > giving up vehicles equipped with the free supercharging), I do think > there is possibly (but not definitely) an element of sleaze to Tesla's > throttling some packs to charge at such slow rates that the owner is > incentivized to get rid of the vehicle. I expect that the diehard Tesla lovers will find a way to justify just about anything that others might call sleaze. Meanwhile, the Tesla skeptics willl say that it confirms what they always suspected. Let's face it - questionable or sleazy business practice is par for the libertarian-capitalist course. Nothing is more important than "shareholder value," ya know. In that way Tesla is pretty much like everybody else. Maybe it's just me, but that seems kind of disappointing from a company that used to talk up how they were going to save the world from ... whatever. Oh, also, "Don't be evil." So it goes. Thanks to Tesla for advancing the state of the art in EVs, and for showing other automakers, drivers, and *governments* what's possible. But NO thanks to Tesla for breaking laws - for example VOC limits - and labor standards. I read that they were also hit with more than 800 environmental lawsuits in Germany. It's amazing what Tesla get away with, usually with, at most, just a little slap on the wrist. NO thanks to Tesla for the way they've often treated their factory workers, expecially women and minorities. Lawsuits there too. And NO thanks to Tesla for control-freaking their cars. As Phil and Sharkey suggest, If they can take away features without asking you, you don't really own your Tesla. Tesla is far from the only game in town for EVs. USians have many more choices now than 10 years ago, and the selection is even wider in Europe. So I think it's a good thing having a Tesla-preference balance here on the list, and talking about it. That way you're well informed when you decide where you're going to spend your hard earned EV bucks. David Roden, EVDL moderator & general lackey To reach me, don't reply to this message; I won't get it. Use my offlist address here : http://evdl.org/help/index.html#supt = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = Fertility is hereditary. If your parents didn't have any children, neither will you. = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = _______________________________________________ Address messages to ev@lists.evdl.org No other addresses in TO and CC fields HELP: http://www.evdl.org/help/
