On 17 May 2023 at 22:49, paul dove via EV wrote:

> So, what is your alternative. A leaf? They were the only ones that made
> a usable vehicle.  

Why not a Leaf?  Early ones had problems in hot climates, and I'm aware of 
some warranty coverage gripes.  Despite that, quite a few people, including 
members of this list, have owned them and have gotten good service from 
them.

The Nissan Leaf's French cousin, Renault Zoe, was and is an even better EV 
than the Leaf, with a more durable battery.  

Renault was also sensible in exclusively leasing the Zoe's battery for the 
first 8 years.  That made the car more affordable, and negated owners' 
concern about eventual battery replacement.  

> Now if they had a bunch of competitors this would be reasonable criticism but
> nobody else was doing anything.

Sorry, it isn't clear to me what this refers to.  What criticism do you 
think is unreasonable?

In any case the EV competition situation is much changed from 2012.  Today 
there are many good EVs on offer, especially in Europe and China.  There 
will be still more in the years ahead, now that the EU has banned most sales 
of new private ICEVs from 2035.

If you play nice over there in the US, maybe the EU and Asian EV makers will 
even export a few of their EVs for you. :-)

David Roden, EVDL moderator & general lackey

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