On 11/05/2019 17:24, Rich Bowen wrote: > > > On 5/10/19 4:22 PM, Mark Thomas wrote: >> For the record, years ago the ASF reached out to the relevant Native >> Americans to check if they were happy with us using the name Apache and >> they confirmed that they were. > > Mark, > > I've heard this stated. I've probably even said it myself from time to > time. But I have been completely unable to verify that this happened. If > you (or anyone) has any actual "paper trail" of this happening, that > would be remarkably helpful.
The best I can find is a private mail from you related to LEGAL-284 saying you had a vague memory that Brian Behlendorf had reached out. I'm sure I've heard it more than once. I'm still trying to track down references... I found some public discussion of this issue back in 1995 on the httpd dev list. http://apache.markmail.org/thread/gfkjpxulyj4n3ozn >From that discussion: - a) folks were aware of the potential issue - b) no offence was intended - c) no-one had reached out at that point Use useful background from Roy: http://markmail.org/message/inlm4kp6wuyoqrqx A link from the public archives: https://lists.apache.org/thread.html/423c17fa19fd2564a6520ff21776d54e242c08d3612561f05bd87f58@%3Cdev.community.apache.org%3E In the private archives I found: - A reference that at OSCON 09 a member of the Apache Nation politely mentioned that they should be referred to as the Apache Nation and not a tribe. In summary, I can't find a definitive first-hand account of a formal discussion between the ASF and representatives of the Apache Nation. I can find a handful of interactions between the ASF and people who identify as a member of the Apache Nation. None of those has indicated that they have an issue with the ASF's use of "Apache". Mark --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: diversity-unsubscr...@apache.org For additional commands, e-mail: diversity-h...@apache.org
