"subscribe" This comes up for me pretty much every time I explain my work/life to someone who has not yet heard of the ASF (if they don't mention it, that is sort of worse). Reading Mark's comment I had the same question as Rich. I would very much like to know the answer and the details.
Kenn *From: *Rich Bowen <rbo...@rcbowen.com> *Date: *Sun, May 12, 2019 at 10:30 AM *To: * <diversity@apache.org> Not that we are aware of. > > On Sun, May 12, 2019, 11:36 Matt Sicker <boa...@gmail.com> wrote: > > > Is anyone from Apache Nation also a committer or member here? > > > > On Sun, May 12, 2019 at 03:45, Mark Thomas <ma...@apache.org> wrote: > > > > > On 11/05/2019 17:24, Rich Bowen wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > On 5/10/19 4:22 PM, Mark Thomas wrote: > > > >> For the record, years ago the ASF reached out to the relevant Native > > > >> Americans to check if they were happy with us using the name Apache > > and > > > >> they confirmed that they were. > > > > > > > > Mark, > > > > > > > > I've heard this stated. I've probably even said it myself from time > to > > > > time. But I have been completely unable to verify that this happened. > > If > > > > you (or anyone) has any actual "paper trail" of this happening, that > > > > would be remarkably helpful. > > > > > > The best I can find is a private mail from you related to LEGAL-284 > > > saying you had a vague memory that Brian Behlendorf had reached out. > > > > > > I'm sure I've heard it more than once. I'm still trying to track down > > > references... > > > > > > I found some public discussion of this issue back in 1995 on the httpd > > > dev list. > > > http://apache.markmail.org/thread/gfkjpxulyj4n3ozn > > > From that discussion: > > > - a) folks were aware of the potential issue > > > - b) no offence was intended > > > - c) no-one had reached out at that point > > > > > > Use useful background from Roy: > > > http://markmail.org/message/inlm4kp6wuyoqrqx > > > > > > A link from the public archives: > > > > > > > > > https://lists.apache.org/thread.html/423c17fa19fd2564a6520ff21776d54e242c08d3612561f05bd87f58@%3Cdev.community.apache.org%3E > > > > > > In the private archives I found: > > > > > > - A reference that at OSCON 09 a member of the Apache Nation politely > > > mentioned that they should be referred to as the Apache Nation and > > > not a tribe. > > > > > > > > > In summary, I can't find a definitive first-hand account of a formal > > > discussion between the ASF and representatives of the Apache Nation. > > > > > > I can find a handful of interactions between the ASF and people who > > > identify as a member of the Apache Nation. None of those has indicated > > > that they have an issue with the ASF's use of "Apache". > > > > > > Mark > > > > > > --------------------------------------------------------------------- > > > To unsubscribe, e-mail: diversity-unsubscr...@apache.org > > > For additional commands, e-mail: diversity-h...@apache.org > > > > > > -- > > Matt Sicker <boa...@gmail.com> > > >
