Partick,

I am not a legal expert to answer the trademark question. I will consult
the trademarks team for this.

However, it is the PMC's responsibility to oversee the usage of "Apache
Pulsar" that follows the ASF policy.

- Sijie

On Thu, Aug 19, 2021 at 5:23 PM Patrick McFadin <pmcfa...@gmail.com> wrote:

>  "Apache Pulsar Community" is not the PMC and that is 100% not the "Apache
> Way™" If it said "Apache Pulsar Project" then I think that would be a
> mischaracterization. I've helped run over 500 Apache-related meetups over
> the past 10 years and myself and other organizers have always been careful
> to use the word "community" as the people and not the project.
>
> This makes the PMC look like some sort of powerful ruling body, which it
> isn't. The PMC can't tell people that they aren't a part of the community.
> How would you add this to your board report? There is nothing here that
> appears as a trademark violation or implication of ownership.
>
> Patrick
>
> On Thu, Aug 19, 2021 at 4:57 PM Matteo Merli <mme...@apache.org> wrote:
>
> > On Thu, Aug 19, 2021 at 4:26 PM Aaron Williams <aa...@wi5s.com> wrote:
> > > Meetups and the Umbrella Group-
> > > Having an Umbrella Group also prevents or at least makes it tougher for
> > the
> > > “wild west” of meetup organizations to happen.  For Apache Hadoop, both
> > > Cloudera and Hortonworks sponsored competing meetups early on, which
> led
> > to
> > > tons of problems for that community around vendor neutrality.  We can
> > avoid
> > > this can of worms for Apache Pulsar by providing oversight and guidance
> > > from the beginning.
> > >
> > > Thus, given the above and that it is better for the organizers, better
> > for
> > > the PMC’s responsibility to oversee vendor neutrality, and better for
> > users
> > > and potential users to manage meetups with a little more structure, I
> > would
> > > recommend that the PMC go forward with giving its blessing to the
> > Umbrella
> > > model.
> >
> > Aaron,
> >
> > Several PMC members have already asked you to rename the meetup groups
> > you have created, because using "Apache Pulsar Community" as the
> > organizer represents a big mischaracterization that wants to give the
> > impression that the Pulsar PMC is behind these meetups.
> >
> > I believe any other discussion around meetups cannot prescind from that
> > fact.
> >
> > Matteo
> >
> > --
> > Matteo Merli
> > <mme...@apache.org>
> >
>

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