*I think the Apache project should avoid vendor-specific branding, in that way users will have a clear understanding about what they can receive from the free Apache project. In support of that, the Apache project should be driven by the community/PMC who are the real contributors to the project and let every member participate in each decision process. Therefore, I feel subcommittees will not give justice to every PMC member of the project and may create confusion to the users about the ownership and branding of the project. Therefore, we should address all those concerns that are misleading users about project branding or make users think that the Apache project is driven by a specific vendor. I think ASF branding policy <https://community.apache.org/projectIndependence.html> summarises it very well: “Third-party software product must be clearly branded such that, users clearly understand the different sources for software products such as Apache Foo (from the ASF) and BigCo SuperThing, Powered By Apache Foo (from BigCo).”Thanks,Rajan*
On Thu, Aug 19, 2021 at 4:49 PM Matteo Merli <mme...@apache.org> wrote: > On Thu, Aug 19, 2021 at 5:35 AM Jonathan Ellis <jbel...@gmail.com> wrote: > > > > Moving back to dev. > > > > Since it seems like there's some confusion on this point, it's perfectly > > normal for PMC discussions around new proposals with decision-making > > authority by the PMC to take place on the public dev list. The private > > list is only necessary when confidentiality is required, and the dev list > > allows non-PMC voices to be heard more readily as well as promoting > > transparency on how consensus was reached. > > > > I am not aware of any ASF policy that would prohibit subcommittees like > > this. (I'm not aware of precedent in starting one either, but as Aaron > > pointed out, this *is* common at similar foundations with similar > > governance goals to the ASF, and there's no reason we can't > cross-pollinate > > good ideas.) > > Jonathan, > > If you keep switching from private@ to dev@ list, most of the people > on dev@ list will be out of context of the replies from other PMC > members on the private list. > > Your proposal of subcommittees has already raised strong concerns from > 4 PMC members, with no one speaking in favour of it. > > > I am not aware of any ASF policy that would prohibit subcommittees like > > this > > The part of your proposal of including representatives of vendors in > these subcommittees goes directly against the spirit of these > guidelines: https://community.apache.org/projectIndependence.html > > Matteo > > -- > Matteo Merli > <mme...@apache.org> >
