On Thu, Feb 19, 2015 at 12:44 PM, jan i <j...@apache.org> wrote: > On 19 February 2015 at 18:22, Rob Weir <r...@robweir.com> wrote: > >> On Thu, Feb 19, 2015 at 12:11 PM, jan i <j...@apache.org> wrote: >> > On 19 February 2015 at 17:54, Rob Weir <r...@robweir.com> wrote: >> > >> >> On Thu, Feb 19, 2015 at 11:38 AM, Simon Phipps <si...@webmink.com> >> wrote: >> >> > On Thu, Feb 19, 2015 at 4:27 PM, Alexandro Colorado <j...@oooes.org> >> >> wrote: >> >> > >> >> >> Why not just take it down, and re-publish it when there is a more >> >> >> agreeable content on it. >> >> > >> >> > >> >> > That sounds smart to me, +1. >> >> > >> >> > I note that on legal-discuss Jim [called the page][1] >> >> "misrepresentation" - >> >> > maybe he has comments on what the project should do here? >> >> >> > Let me put it like this without disclosing content of mails from private >> > lists, Jim is also AOO PMC member and has given good advice. >> > >> > My recommendation follow that advice. >> > >> >> I'm a PMC member as well. I trust my -1 has been noted. >> >> > >> >> > >> >> >> >> Hi Simon, >> >> >> >> Rather than put it off to someone else, maybe you as an esteemed >> >> project contributor can help with some suitable replacement content. >> >> Why do you think the ASF mandates the ALv2 and forbids GPL? Surely >> >> it is not merely some bit of arcane religious dogma that we practice >> >> out of blind devotion, without knowing any reason why. So in your >> >> personal opinion, as a project member, why do we prefer ALv2? And >> >> how can we best express these benefits to potential users? >> >> >> >> Changing the content, does not change the fact about whose opinion it >> is ! >> > >> > I have already made one proposal as to how a disclaimer placed at top >> could >> > look like. >> > "This page do not reflect the opinion of ASF or the AOO PMC" >> > >> >> >> I assumed that was a placeholder. Abbreviations like "ASF" and "AOO" >> and "PMC" will not be understood by a random visitor. And beyond the >> abbreviations very few visitors will understand what the ASF is, what >> the PMC is, how they relate, etc. This is a kind of disclaimer that >> causes more confusion. >> >> I know that you've avoided actually reading or understanding the page >> but I'd highly recommend trying to understand that page in context. >> Something like 80% of the visitors to that page reach it from search >> (Google or Bing). Aside from a few Apache and FSF insiders writhing >> in anguish over this page, almost everyone who sees it comes to it >> without any deep knowledge of how the ASF works. So I think any >> disclaimer would need to be written in a form that is clear to them. >> > > you might be right that my proposal is not the best one, but to have a > proposal is better that not have any, and I am not touchy about other > wordings. >
I appreciate that. I'm just saying 1) We don't have a statement ready to drop in yet and 2) We probably want to get it into final form before doing so since it will need translation. > I am not a license specialist nor do I want to be, but I think our project > should not talk about other licenses, let others do that. > > Apart from that, ASF and not AOO is the one who decides on licenses, so > that would be the right place to have such a page. > But from what I understand from a number of conversations, ASF tries by > principle not to talk a lot about others, f.x. you will not find > an ASF page that compares different foundations and the ASF page about > licenses explain how ALv2 works nothing more. > > I simply do not see the need that AOO goes out alone, on confrontation > course with ASF, to explain the difference in licenses seen specifically > for our pow. We do not need this kind of pointing fingers. Let other > projects use the license they believe in and let us use the license ASF > believe in without telling we are better or even different than the others. > Clearly there is disagreement on this question and we've seen views on both sides, including PMC members. Considering we're no longer debating facts but opinions, maybe just start a 72-hour PMC vote on whether to delete the page. I'd accept the results of the vote, even over my -1. Regards, -Rob > rgds > jan I. > > >> >> -Rob >> >> >> > rgds >> > jan I. >> > >> >> >> >> Thanks! >> >> >> >> -Rob >> >> >> >> > S. >> >> > >> >> > [1]: >> >> > >> >> >> http://mail-archives.apache.org/mod_mbox/www-legal-discuss/201502.mbox/%3CB5FAC1D8-332E-48FD-A495-5E5C9255A859%40jaguNET.com%3E >> >> >> >> --------------------------------------------------------------------- >> >> To unsubscribe, e-mail: dev-unsubscr...@openoffice.apache.org >> >> For additional commands, e-mail: dev-h...@openoffice.apache.org >> >> >> >> >> >> --------------------------------------------------------------------- >> To unsubscribe, e-mail: dev-unsubscr...@openoffice.apache.org >> For additional commands, e-mail: dev-h...@openoffice.apache.org >> >> --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: dev-unsubscr...@openoffice.apache.org For additional commands, e-mail: dev-h...@openoffice.apache.org
