On 19 February 2015 at 18:22, Rob Weir <r...@robweir.com> wrote: > On Thu, Feb 19, 2015 at 12:11 PM, jan i <j...@apache.org> wrote: > > On 19 February 2015 at 17:54, Rob Weir <r...@robweir.com> wrote: > > > >> On Thu, Feb 19, 2015 at 11:38 AM, Simon Phipps <si...@webmink.com> > wrote: > >> > On Thu, Feb 19, 2015 at 4:27 PM, Alexandro Colorado <j...@oooes.org> > >> wrote: > >> > > >> >> Why not just take it down, and re-publish it when there is a more > >> >> agreeable content on it. > >> > > >> > > >> > That sounds smart to me, +1. > >> > > >> > I note that on legal-discuss Jim [called the page][1] > >> "misrepresentation" - > >> > maybe he has comments on what the project should do here? > >> > > Let me put it like this without disclosing content of mails from private > > lists, Jim is also AOO PMC member and has given good advice. > > > > My recommendation follow that advice. > > > > I'm a PMC member as well. I trust my -1 has been noted. > > > > >> > > >> > >> Hi Simon, > >> > >> Rather than put it off to someone else, maybe you as an esteemed > >> project contributor can help with some suitable replacement content. > >> Why do you think the ASF mandates the ALv2 and forbids GPL? Surely > >> it is not merely some bit of arcane religious dogma that we practice > >> out of blind devotion, without knowing any reason why. So in your > >> personal opinion, as a project member, why do we prefer ALv2? And > >> how can we best express these benefits to potential users? > >> > >> Changing the content, does not change the fact about whose opinion it > is ! > > > > I have already made one proposal as to how a disclaimer placed at top > could > > look like. > > "This page do not reflect the opinion of ASF or the AOO PMC" > > > > > I assumed that was a placeholder. Abbreviations like "ASF" and "AOO" > and "PMC" will not be understood by a random visitor. And beyond the > abbreviations very few visitors will understand what the ASF is, what > the PMC is, how they relate, etc. This is a kind of disclaimer that > causes more confusion. > > I know that you've avoided actually reading or understanding the page > but I'd highly recommend trying to understand that page in context. > Something like 80% of the visitors to that page reach it from search > (Google or Bing). Aside from a few Apache and FSF insiders writhing > in anguish over this page, almost everyone who sees it comes to it > without any deep knowledge of how the ASF works. So I think any > disclaimer would need to be written in a form that is clear to them. >
you might be right that my proposal is not the best one, but to have a proposal is better that not have any, and I am not touchy about other wordings. I am not a license specialist nor do I want to be, but I think our project should not talk about other licenses, let others do that. Apart from that, ASF and not AOO is the one who decides on licenses, so that would be the right place to have such a page. But from what I understand from a number of conversations, ASF tries by principle not to talk a lot about others, f.x. you will not find an ASF page that compares different foundations and the ASF page about licenses explain how ALv2 works nothing more. I simply do not see the need that AOO goes out alone, on confrontation course with ASF, to explain the difference in licenses seen specifically for our pow. We do not need this kind of pointing fingers. Let other projects use the license they believe in and let us use the license ASF believe in without telling we are better or even different than the others. rgds jan I. > > -Rob > > > > rgds > > jan I. > > > >> > >> Thanks! > >> > >> -Rob > >> > >> > S. > >> > > >> > [1]: > >> > > >> > http://mail-archives.apache.org/mod_mbox/www-legal-discuss/201502.mbox/%3CB5FAC1D8-332E-48FD-A495-5E5C9255A859%40jaguNET.com%3E > >> > >> --------------------------------------------------------------------- > >> To unsubscribe, e-mail: dev-unsubscr...@openoffice.apache.org > >> For additional commands, e-mail: dev-h...@openoffice.apache.org > >> > >> > > --------------------------------------------------------------------- > To unsubscribe, e-mail: dev-unsubscr...@openoffice.apache.org > For additional commands, e-mail: dev-h...@openoffice.apache.org > >
