On Mon, Dec 2, 2013 at 3:04 AM, Ian Lynch <ianrly...@gmail.com> wrote:
> Has anyone offered to put AOO into the Ubuntu software centre as a trusted > package automatically available? If not and there was no refusal to > cooperate I don;t see how you can say Ubuntu truncates the freedom of the > user. Anyone is free to do with Ubuntu the same things as with any other > distro, as with all distros, somethings are easier to implement for > non-geeks than others. I should think Ubuntu scores pretty highly on that > score as it probably has more non-geek users than any other. > Not that I recall...we have volunteers working on a Fedora effort. Maybe we need an "Announcement" for this? @Andrea re the porting info...this is not added to any of our normal installation areas --- I'll add it it to some of the "normal" installation areas. > > On 2 December 2013 03:20, Louis Suárez-Potts <lui...@gmail.com> wrote: > > > Hi Glenn, > > > > On 01-Dec-2013, at 19:45, Glenn Harvey Liwanag < > > glennharveyliwa...@gmail.com> wrote: > > > > > Pardon for not reading the whole thread, but is Ubuntu not shipped with > > > AOO? Last time I installed Ubuntu, it had AOO. Or was it LibreOffice? > > > > LibreOffice. > > The issue here, and this is by no means within the proper scope of the > > subject line (sigh), is that Ubuntu (or should I say, Canonical) makes it > > hard for naive users (that is, those who are not inclined to use command > > line interfaces) to replace the LibreOffice default offering with Apache > > OpenOffice. > > > > It is by no means impossible and we've replied on several occasions with > > instructions how to do this, but these, afaik, are not posted to the > > download page, nor is the information about what is delivered with Ubuntu > > there. > > > > I have no real—well, okay, I do, a little—problem with LibreOffice being > > the default. I have a problem with any OS that so truncates the freedom > of > > the user as Ubuntu does, and yet claims to work with and for a community > > that supposedly contributes to instituting freedom, not something more > > ironic. > > > > louis > > > > > > > > > On Mon, Dec 2, 2013 at 8:22 AM, Ian Lynch <ianrly...@gmail.com> wrote: > > > > > >> We use Ubuntu throughout the company and don't have any problems with > > it - > > >> well certainly no more than Windows and Apple Users seem to have. I > > suggest > > >> if AOO is difficult to install in Ubuntu for a non-developer its > really > > up > > >> to those that have the skills and knowledge to change that..well that > > >> assumes that the project isn't just giving up on Ubuntu and leaving it > > to > > >> LO. I have to say AOO is one of the most difficult to install > > applications > > >> on Ubuntu. We can blame Ubuntu or Canonical or we can fix it. Depends > on > > >> whether the Ubuntu market is seen as important because companies like > > ours > > >> are not going to switch platforms just to run AOO. > > >> > > >> > > >> On 1 December 2013 23:25, Louis Suárez-Potts <lui...@gmail.com> > wrote: > > >> > > >>> > > >>> On 01-Dec-2013, at 18:03, Kay Schenk <kay.sch...@gmail.com> wrote: > > >>> > > >>>> Some distros make it very difficult for the typical Linux end user > to > > >>>> install anything NOT in the distro's repository. This is NOT why I > > >>>> switched to Linux, I can assure you. > > >>> > > >>> It's only—only—been my experience with Ubuntu. With *all* other > > LInuxes, > > >> I > > >>> get joy. (I've not used all there are, I refer just to those I've > used; > > >> and > > >>> at that, via my virtualized environment. Ubuntu pretends to the ease > of > > >> OS > > >>> X but is actually more—!!—tight with proprietary constraints, if you > > can > > >>> imagine that: if it don't come from Canonical, it ain't canonical.) > > >>>> > > >>>> > > >>>>> (At any rate, that's what I would mean. Given the choice of OSs, > for > > a > > >>> lot > > >>>>> of stuff I tend toward Linux. It's easier. But I tend then toward > > >>>>> non-Canonical Linuxes. Even easier.) > > >>>>> > > >>>>> And try installing OOo in the latest Ubuntu *as a non-developer.* > > Tell > > >>> us > > >>>>> about it :-). > > >>>>> > > >>>> > > >>>> I have only used one Linux distro since I started. I do not use > Ubuntu > > >>> and > > >>>> likely never will. I got away from MS because of all kinds of > > >>> restrictions > > >>>> and I don't need to trade one environment like that for another. > > >>> > > >>> Quite. And I love Linux (and also, for that matter, OS X) because > it's > > >>> logical in its layout and thus easy to navigate, work with, use. > > Whereas > > >> I > > >>> dislike MSFT's Windows because it is seemingly arbitrary in layout > and > > >>> operation; and though one can finally *get* that its logic is about > > >>> property (MY MY MY things), still, one must then deal with mairzy > doats > > >> and > > >>> dozy doats and liddle lazy divey and not mares and does and lambs > > >> scarfing > > >>> oats & ivy.) > > >>> > > >>> louis > > >>> --------------------------------------------------------------------- > > >>> To unsubscribe, e-mail: dev-unsubscr...@openoffice.apache.org > > >>> For additional commands, e-mail: dev-h...@openoffice.apache.org > > >>> > > >>> > > >> > > >> > > >> -- > > >> Ian > > >> > > >> Ofqual Accredited IT Qualifications < > > >> https://theingots.org/community/faq#7.0> > > >> > > >> Headline points in the 2014 and 2015 school league tables > > >> > > >> www.theINGOTs.org +44 (0)1827 305940 > > >> > > >> The Learning Machine Limited, Reg Office, Unit 4D Gagarin, Lichfield > > >> Road Industrial Estate, Tamworth, Staffordshire, B79 7GN. 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