Good point thank you Raiden!! :-)

Tiago that would be more than perfect if there were no binary blobs in
apache/nuttx-hal-espressif, even for radios. Would it be possible to
open-source them too? :-)

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On Thu, Oct 8, 2026, 10:21 raiden00pl <[email protected]> wrote:

> The binary blobs in the ESP HAL require more consideration.
> Can even ASF repositories host binaries without source code?
> Does Espressif have full rights to contribute these binaries to the Apache
> Foundation?
> Just because the code and binaries are licensed under Apache-2.0 doesn't
> mean
> it is compatible with the ASF. The main question is whether the Wi-Fi/BLE
> drivers
> are created entirely by Espressif, or use some third-party licensed code.
>
> czw., 8 paź 2026 o 09:23 raiden00pl <[email protected]> napisał(a):
>
> > The ESP HAL includes binary blobs for BLE and Wi-Fi. What happens with
> > them?
> > If Espressif transfers rights to Apache, does that mean Apache becomes
> the
> > owner
> > of the binary blobs? Does this imply I can reverse-engineer these binary
> > blobs
> > without getting sued? Could I then incorporate the deconstructed code
> into
> > the HAL to eliminate the need for the binary blobs? Espressif surely has
> > agreements
> > in place with IP core providers for the radios - won't that cause any
> > issues?
> >
> > czw., 8 paź 2026 o 07:33 Alin Jerpelea <[email protected]> napisał(a):
> >
> >> Hi all,
> >>
> >> sorry for my late reply due to travel
> >>
> >> I think that we should handle the HALS case by case
> >> for Espressif I am happy to hear about this decision and I can only hope
> >> that they will continue expanding and improving the open source
> initiative
> >>
> >> I propose that we open a discuss thread for each hal including a link to
> >> the curent location so that we can discuss howto handle it
> >>
> >> in my opinion having hals under ASF and habing HALS on a separate place
> as
> >> suggested by Alan can only bring more posibility for collaboration
> >>
> >> @Alan C. de Assis <[email protected]> I think that we should discuss
> >> about
> >> inviting commiters to PMC (that discussion should be handled on a
> separate
> >> thread on a different channel)
> >>
> >> Best regards
> >> Alin
> >>
> >> On Thu, 8 Oct 2026, 04:09 Binh Nguyen, <[email protected]>
> >> wrote:
> >>
> >> > Hi all,
> >> >
> >> > I'd like to share my perspective on this topic.
> >> >
> >> > First, I'd like to clarify that I have no objection to Espressif's
> >> > decision. If Espressif is comfortable donating ownership of their HAL
> >> and
> >> > moving it under ASF infrastructure, I fully respect that choice.
> >> >
> >> > Open-source communities are usually built around collaboration,
> >> > governance, and shared maintenance, not around forcing contributors to
> >> > transfer ownership of their code.
> >> >
> >> > If donating ownership becomes the expected model, we may solve the
> >> > Espressif case but unintentionally make it harder for other vendors to
> >> > participate in the future. I believe we should optimize for attracting
> >> > contributors, not increasing contribution barriers.
> >> >
> >> > Thanks,
> >> > Binh
> >> >
> >> >
> >>
> >
>

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