Alright to close this thread with a good results I propose now to consult legal@apache just to make sure this step is possible from the ASF perspective, because it is possible and desired from Espressif and NuttX perspective :-)
Thank you everyone participating in the vote and discussion :-) -- CeDeROM, SQ7MHZ, http://www.tomek.cedro.info On Thu, Oct 8, 2026, 16:08 Tiago Medicci Serrano <[email protected]> wrote: > Hi > > Regarding Wi-Fi/ble blobs: > > They aren't part of `esp-hal-3rdparty`. They are distributed as a submodule > (which, in turn, makes it behave like external code). The same for Zephyr: > we just refer to them on the HAL. > > Best regards, > > > Em qui., 8 de out. de 2026 às 09:40, Tomek CEDRO <[email protected]> > escreveu: > > > agree with Nathan, removing seems / feels harmful, lets focus on hal :-P > > > > -- > > CeDeROM, SQ7MHZ, http://www.tomek.cedro.info > > > > On Thu, Oct 8, 2026, 03:22 Nathan Hartman <[email protected]> > > wrote: > > > > > In my humble opinion, removing PMC / committers would be damaging to > the > > > project. I'm active in other Apache projects and it's pretty common for > > > people to become inactive for a while and then get involved again at a > > > later time. Removing people from the project could send a message that > > > "you're not welcome here anymore." > > > > > > Anyway this is a different subject than the HAL question, which is a > > > complex issue in itself. > > > > > > Kind regards, > > > Nathan > > > > > > On Wed, Oct 7, 2026 at 7:28 PM Gregory Nutt <[email protected]> > wrote: > > > > > > > There are quite a few updated ASF documents on this: > > > > > > > > About Emeritus members: > > > https://www.apache.org/forms/emeritus-request.pdf > > > > > > > > According to this, the PMC can convert a any member who has not been > > > > active for six months to Emeritus: Committer is considered emeritus > by > > > > their own declaration or by not contributing in any form to the > project > > > for > > > > over six months. An emeritus Committer may request reinstatement of > > > commit > > > > access from the PMC. Such reinstatement is subject to lazy consensus > > > > approval of active PMC members. > > > > https://storm.apache.org/contribute/BYLAWS.html > > > > > > > > If and Emeritus member choses to become active again, that can happen > > > with > > > > a very streamlined process. > > > > > > > > It appears that you cannot completely remove a member other than > > > > requesting and justifying the removal through the board. > > > > > > > > > > > > ________________________________ > > > > From: Gregory Nutt <[email protected]> > > > > Sent: Wednesday, October 7, 2026 3:23 PM > > > > To: [email protected] <[email protected]> > > > > Subject: Re: [VOTE] Hosting Espressif HAL under Apache umbrella > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > We can propose removing committers and PMCs who are not involved in > the > > > > project (ASF allows this; we need to notify them). > > > > > > > > Are you sure of this. I recall being told that once a committer, you > > are > > > > a committer for life. I do find this: > > > > > > > > Note it is possible to remove a committer's access to repositories in > > an > > > > urgent situation, such as their account being taken over by a hacker. > > > > However, the PMC chair should not take this action for situations > such > > > as a > > > > committer's extended inactivity. In 2026, the ASF Security team is > > > working > > > > on proposals that may clarify the conditions under which a > committer's > > > > rights to commit code can be suspended or removed. > > > > > > > > My case is different.. I am officially emeritus. Emeritus members > are > > > > required to be listed on the project page, but did not follow that. > > See > > > > https://infra.apache.org/committers.html and > > > > https://www.apache.org/foundation/members > > > > > > > > Emeritus members can re-instate themselves immediately without a vote > > if > > > > the wish to become full members again. Note: A person must ask to > be > > > made > > > > emeritus. I don't think that the PMC has authority to modify > anyone's > > > > membership. > > > > > > > > > > > > > >
