Sent from my GalaxyOf course, Nuttx and all of its trademarks are owned be the
ASF. Nuttx can never abandon the ASF.The ASF has a substantial legal
organization that enforces its licensing and ownership.The same would be true
of any 3rd party who grants their software via an SGA, CCLA, or ICLA.
-------- Original message --------From: Tomek CEDRO <[email protected]> Date:
10/7/26 1:09 PM (GMT-06:00) To: [email protected] Subject: Re: [VOTE]
Hosting Espressif HAL under Apache umbrella Felipe this is our current active
core team, look at the releasetesting, look how many people review PRs, this is
why I initiallyopposed forking esp-hal and handling it ourselves because we
would nothandle it, all this work is done for free in our free time at
theexpense of other tasks and activities.With current proposition all issues
that you reported seem to befixed, we would be part of handling PRs, code it
under NuttX / ASFumbrella, but we still have active support of the vendor
developmentteam, this this seems the best possible solution. At first you
wantedexactly this now you seem to oppose it, why??One problem I can see here
is when NuttX some day wants to abandonASF, or ESP wants to get back the HAL,
that would not be possible.Only then code outside ASF would have no ties.. but
for sure it willhave other (vendor) ties.. that still may not be as easy to
break asforking the ASF project? Is this the risk I was missing?I really love
NuttX community because everyone have differentperspectives and experiences
that create this unique solutions like weare trying right now.. that were not
even obvious when we highlightedthe problem and started the discussion
:-)--CeDeROM, SQ7MHZ, http://www.tomek.cedro.infoOn Wed, Oct 7, 2026 at 6:50 PM
Felipe Moura Oliveira<[email protected]> wrote:>> The voter turnout for this
decision seems very low. Since this is an> important topic, wouldn't it be
appropriate to send a broader call for> votes to stimulate more committee
members?>>> *--Felipe Moura de Oliveira*> Linkedin
<https://www.linkedin.com/in/felipe-oliveira-75a651a0>>> On Wed, 7 Oct 2026 at
15:31 Alan C. Assis <[email protected]> wrote:>> > Hi Tomek,> >> > I think we
could solve all these Tiers issues (no pun intended) just by> > keeping the
HALs at github.com/NuttX because:> > 1) It is still under our control;> > 2)
Vendors don't need to mess with HAL SGA or conversion to Apache;> > 3) We avoid
the supply chain issue because only PMC/Committers have write> > access there.>
>> > Anyway, if Tiago/Espressif thinks moving it to ASF is better, let's move>
> it.> >> > Let's fix this issue because as you said, users are waiting...> >>
> BR,> >> > Alan> >> > On Wed, Oct 7, 2026 at 3:10 PM Tomek CEDRO
<[email protected]> wrote:> >> > > Alan, what Tiago means is that right now
right here we are solving> > > problem specific to Espressif. I agree with
that. How other vendors> > > implement their drivers is up to them. Project is
under ASF, so the> > > solution also should be under ASF. In a perfect
situation we want NO> > > HAL but in-tree drivers to stay independent. But when
HAL is> > > unavoidable we could have Tier 2 and Tier 3, as mentioned before:>
> >> > > Tier 1 - in tree code drivers.> > > Tier 2 - HAL that is under ASF and
our control. <-- this esp-hal> > scenario.> > > Tier 3 - HAL that is external
and out of our control (not rally welcome).> > >> > > I can see several
benefits of this situation summed up in my previous> > > replies to this
thread, which can be summed shortly like "we are> > > moving ESP-HAL from Tier
3 to Tier 2", although we yet have no> > > official tiers defined or even
agreed, these are practical steps to> > > fix most issues reported by Felipe.>
> >> > > Yes, if ever any other hal is introduced (yuck!), it may be in Tier 2>
> > or Tier 3. When in Tier 3 it will be in different locations anyway> > >
because vendors most likely prefer to keep their HALs under their own> > >
umbrella, you will have zero control over that code its api location> > >
licensing quality releases etc - this is exactly what we want to avoid> > > and
this is exactly why Tier 2 is being proposed right now in this> > > particular
vote :-)> > >> > > --> > > CeDeROM, SQ7MHZ, http://www.tomek.cedro.info> > >> >
> On Wed, Oct 7, 2026 at 2:53 PM Alan C. Assis <[email protected]> wrote:> > >
>> > > > Hi Tiago,> > > >> > > > Thank is not the point: "ASF has nothing to do
with adopting other> > > vendors'> > > > HAL or not."> > > >> > > > If we move
Espressif HAL to ASF Infra but cannot move other HALs there,> > > we> > > >
immediately create a problem: we will spread HALs across different> > > >
locations.> > > >> > > > BR,> > > >> > > > Alan> > > >> > > > On Wed, Oct 7,
2026 at 10:51 AM Tiago Medicci Serrano <> > > > [email protected]>
wrote:> > > >> > > > > Hi all,> > > > >> > > > > Just to address some
concerns:> > > > >> > > > > Tomek, a veto is valid for *code modifications.* No
code is being> > > > > modified here. In this case, the best fit for this vote
is a> > > *procedural> > > > > issue *(we are moving a piece of code to ASF).
That's why simple> > > majority> > > > > applies and I declared it as *passed*
(I wasn't "pushing" for that, I> > > > > based it on
https://www.apache.org/foundation/voting).> > > > >> > > > > Alan,
respectfully, all the concerns you raised are not related to> > this> > > > >
vote. ASF has nothing to do with adopting other vendors' HAL or not.> > > This>
> > > > is a decision for the projects ASF hosts (and, of course, if they> > >
fulfil> > > > > ASF requirements). The same for HAL becoming (or not) a
standard on> > > NuttX:> > > > > nothing prevents native development. We voted
for hosting Espressif's> > > HAL> > > > > under ASF (and only that).> > > > >>
> > > > Best regards,> > > > >> > > > >> > > > > Em qua., 7 de out. de 2026 às
10:36, Karel Kočí <[email protected]>> > > > > escreveu:> > > > >> > > > >> Hi,>
> > > >>> > > > >> I want to support Alan here. I would prefer the ESP HAL
integration,> > > when> > > > >> it is> > > > >> donated anyway, over HAL
standardization. On this I like the Alan's> > > > >> approach> > > > >> more. I
only feel like we might be minority.> > > > >>> > > > >> I am not against
vendor HALs out right, I just think that they> > should> > > be> > > > >>
"secondary" support and that they should not be part of the core.> > > Vendors>
> > > >> having> > > > >> option either doing the right thing and donating the
code, or doing> > > the> > > > >> cheap> > > > >> thing and just integrating
with NuttX through their existing HAL.> > > > >>> > > > >> I am advocating for
ESP integration and addition of support for> > > external> > > > >> chips.> > >
> >>> > > > >> Karel> > > > >>> > > > >> On Wed 07 Oct 2026 10:26:30 AM , Alan
C. Assis wrote:> > > > >> > Hi Tomek and Tiago,> > > > >> >> > > > >> > Right,
I can change my vote to +1 to let it pass.> > > > >> >> > > > >> > Although I
think we are doing the wrong thing. It should have been> > > done> > > > >> in>
> > > >> > the right order.> > > > >> >> > > > >> > First we need to confirm
with ASF if they will accept hosting any> > > HAL> > > > >> even> > > > >> >
from vendors who do not want to give a SGA to Apache.> > > > >> >> > > > >> >
And maybe even more importantly: shouldn't we vote first on> > whether> > > to>
> > > >> > accept HAL as a standard?> > > > >> >> > > > >> > It seems many here
oppose making HAL a standard to avoid the issue> > > other> > > > >> > RTOSs
face with poor-quality HALs.> > > > >> >> > > > >> > We can move the Espressif
HAL to the Apache repository and over> > > time, we> > > > >> > can fix NuttX
to replace it with native code. I think this is the> > > safer> > > > >> >
option.> > > > >> >> > > > >> > BR,> > > > >> >> > > > >> > Alan> > > > >> >> >
> > >> > On Wed, Oct 7, 2026 at 10:13 AM Tomek CEDRO <[email protected]>> > >
wrote:> > > > >> >> > > > >> > > Ugh, isn't that single -1 blocks the vote
pass?> > > > >> > >> > > > >> > > Alan I think in this particular situation it
is worth giving +1> > > here..> > > > >> > > would it be possible for you to
reconsider and give +1 please?> > :-)> > > > >> > >> > > > >> > > --> > > > >>
> > CeDeROM, SQ7MHZ, http://www.tomek.cedro.info> > > > >> > >> > > > >> > > On
Wed, Oct 7, 2026, 15:02 Tiago Medicci Serrano <> > > > >>
[email protected]>> > > > >> > > wrote:> > > > >> > >> > > > >> > > >
Hi,> > > > >> > > >> > > > >> > > > 72 hours have already passed, so I'm
closing this call for a> > > vote> > > > >> and its> > > > >> > > > results:> >
> > >> > > >> > > > >> > > > We had 3+ (me, Tomek, and Alin) and 1- (Alan). As
a> > *procedural> > > > >> Issue*, a> > > > >> > > > simple majority is enough.
So it has *passed*.> > > > >> > > >> > > > >> > > > We are working towards
meeting ASF requirements in the coming> > > days.> > > > >> > > >> > > > >> > >
> Best regards,> > > > >> > > >> > > > >> > > > Em seg., 5 de out. de 2026 às
12:54, Tiago Medicci Serrano <> > > > >> > > > [email protected]>
escreveu:> > > > >> > > >> > > > >> > > > > Hi,> > > > >> > > > >> > > > >> > >
> > As mentioned earlier,> > > > >>
https://github.com/espressif/esp-hal-3rdparty/> > > > >> > > is> > > > >> > > >
> used only by NuttX.> > > > >> > > > >> > > > >> > > > > Best regards,> > > >
>> > > > >> > > > >> > > > > Em seg., 5 de out. de 2026 às 11:33, Alan C. Assis
<> > > > >> [email protected]>> > > > >> > > > > escreveu:> > > > >> > > > >> >
> > >> > > > >> Hi Tiago,> > > > >> > > > >>> > > > >> > > > >> I think we made
a mistake when we said that Espressif had> > > already> > > > >> > > signed> >
> > >> > > > >> the SGA.> > > > >> > > > >>> > > > >> > > > >> That SGA was for
software Espressif was contributing to the> > > NuttX> > > > >> > > > >>
mainline.> > > > >> > > > >>> > > > >> > > > >> For the HAL, the situation is
different. If Espressif signs> > > an> > > > >> SGA for> > > > >> > > > >>
their HAL it means Espressif is donating their HAL to ASF,> > > the> > > > >>
same> > > > >> > > way> > > > >> > > > >> Greg donated NuttX to ASF.> > > > >>
> > > >>> > > > >> > > > >> By doing so, Espressif will not have rights over
its own> > HAL> > > > >> (same way> > > > >> > > > >> Greg> > > > >> > > > >>
has no rights to NuttX now).> > > > >> > > > >>> > > > >> > > > >> Are you sure
Espressif agrees on that? If so, Espressif and> > > the> > > > >> Linux> > > >
>> > > > >> Foundation need to agree that ASF will be the owner of the> > >
HAL.> > > > >> > > > >>> > > > >> > > > >> BR,> > > > >> > > > >>> > > > >> > >
> >> Alan> > > > >> > > > >>> > > > >> > > > >> On Mon, Oct 5, 2026 at 9:58 AM
Tiago Medicci Serrano <> > > > >> > > > >> [email protected]> wrote:> > >
> >> > > > >>> > > > >> > > > >> > Hi,> > > > >> > > > >> >> > > > >> > > > >>
> Just addressing the last comments:> > > > >> > > > >> >> > > > >> > > > >> >
1. We can't say anything about other vendors. This is how> > > we> > > > >> > >
proposed> > > > >> > > > to> > > > >> > > > >> > host Espressif's HAL: under
the Apache umbrella because> > we> > > > >> already> > > > >> > > > have> > > >
>> > > > >> a> > > > >> > > > >> > signed CCLA. *Keep in mind that this call
for a vote is> > > about> > > > >> > > > >> Espressif's> > > > >> > > > >> >
HAL only*.> > > > >> > > > >> > 2. It's being contributed to a separate
repository> > because:> > > > >> > > > >> > 2.1 It eases new contributions and
new syncs being> > > contributed> > > > >> by> > > > >> > > > >> > Espressif.>
> > > >> > > > >> > 2.2 The HAL has its own coding style and contribution> > >
guide.> > > > >> > > > >> > 2.3 It makes it easier to implement native> >
implementations> > > and> > > > >> > > isolate> > > > >> > > > >> them> > > >
>> > > > >> > from the HAL.> > > > >> > > > >> >> > > > >> > > > >> > Please,
keep voting on the proposed subject. Nothing else> > > is> > > > >> being> > >
> >> > > > >> > discussed here (we have other threads to discuss it).> > > > >>
> > > >> >> > > > >> > > > >> > Best regards,> > > > >> > > > >> >> > > > >> >
> > >> > Em sáb., 3 de out. de 2026 às 09:11, Alan C. Assis <> > > > >> > >
[email protected]> > > > >> > > > >> > > > >> > > > >> > escreveu:> > > > >> >
> > >> >> > > > >> > > > >> > > Hi Tomek,> > > > >> > > > >> > >> > > > >> > >
> >> > > These are the issues I'm seeing here:> > > > >> > > > >> > >> > > > >>
> > > >> > > 1) If Espressif donates its HAL to ASF it means they> > > will no>
> > > >> > > longer> > > > >> > > > >> own> > > > >> > > > >> > the> > > > >> >
> > >> > > HAL (you cannot have your cake and eat it too). Is this> > > > >>
acceptable> > > > >> > > > to> > > > >> > > > >> > them?> > > > >> > > > >> >
>> > > > >> > > > >> > > 2) Even if they accept this, other vendors probably> >
will> > > not> > > > >> > > accept> > > > >> > > > >> > > donating their HALs.
In this case we cannot keep it> > under> > > > >> ASF.> > > > >> > > > >> > >
If so, we would have to place it elsewhere, which would> > > cause> > > > >> >
> > >> confusion:> > > > >> > > > >> > > why are some HALs under ASF and others
in a different> > > > >> location?> > > > >> > > > >> > >> > > > >> > > > >> >
> BR,> > > > >> > > > >> > >> > > > >> > > > >> > > Alan> > > > >> > > > >> >
>> > > > >> > > > >> > > On Fri, Oct 2, 2026 at 10:27 PM Tomek CEDRO <> > > >
>> [email protected]>> > > > >> > > > wrote:> > > > >> > > > >> > >> > > > >> >
> > >> > > > Hey there Alan,> > > > >> > > > >> > > >> > > > >> > > > >> > > >
Most of the raised HAL related issues should be> > solved> > > > >> that way> >
> > >> > > as> > > > >> > > > >> > > > proposed by Tiago and Espressif in this
vote:> > > > >> > > > >> > > > 1. Code ownership and supply chain security> >
(mentioned> > > by> > > > >> Alin).> > > > >> > > > >> > > > 2. Community
involvement in faster PR processing> > > > >> (mentioned by> > > > >> > > > >>
Felipe).> > > > >> > > > >> > > > 3. We should have more control and impact on
the HAL> > > > >> quality and> > > > >> > > > >> > > > availability (mentioned
by many).> > > > >> > > > >> > > > 4. HAL is under the NuttX umbrella just as
proposed> > > "Zephyr> > > > >> > > > Umbrella> > > > >> > > > >> > > > Way"
(mentioned by Renesas).> > > > >> > > > >> > > >> > > > >> > > > >> > > > From
I understand Espressif offers to "donate" HAL to> > > ASF> > > > >> to be> > >
> >> > > > >> > > > apache/nuttx-hal-espressif and this seems the best> > >
possible> > > > >> > > > win-win> > > > >> > > > >> > > > scenario. They don't
have to do this but they want -> > > big> > > > >> thank> > > > >> > > > you!>
> > > >> > > > >> > > >> > > > >> > > > >> > > > What obstacles do you see
here? The vote here is> > about> > > > >> "Hosting> > > > >> > > > >> > > >
Espressif HAL under Apache umbrella" not all HALs. We> > > have> > > > >> > >
perfect> > > > >> > > > >> > > > road paving here and good example for others.
If we> > > have> > > > >> problem> > > > >> > > > >> with> > > > >> > > > >> >
> > other HAL then we vote other thing. But why block> > good> > > > >>
solution> > > > >> > > > >> > > > because of other possible bad solutions?> > >
> >> > > > >> > > >> > > > >> > > > >> > > > We may one day consider Tiers as
proposed by Michal> > and> > > > >> > > mentioned> > > > >> > > > by> > > > >>
> > > >> > > > Nathan (with FreeBSD):> > > > >> > > > >> > > > 1. Tier 1 - in
tree code drivers.> > > > >> > > > >> > > > 2. Tier 2 - HAL that is under ASF
and our control.> > <--> > > we> > > > >> are> > > > >> > > > voting> > > > >>
> > > >> > > > this scenario here.> > > > >> > > > >> > > > 3. Tier 3 - HAL
that is external and out of our> > control> > > > >> (not> > > > >> > > rally>
> > > >> > > > >> > > > welcome).> > > > >> > > > >> > > >> > > > >> > > > >> >
> > Could you please reconsider your vote for this> > > particular> > > > >>
case /> > > > >> > > > >> > > > scenario that is being voted? It seems that
Espressif> > > > >> listened> > > > >> > > > >> > > > carefully and provides
best possible scenario :-)> > > > >> > > > >> > > >> > > > >> > > > >> > > >
Thanks :-)> > > > >> > > > >> > > > Tomek> > > > >> > > > >> > > >> > > > >> >
> > >> > > > --> > > > >> > > > >> > > > CeDeROM, SQ7MHZ,
http://www.tomek.cedro.info> > > > >> > > > >> > > > On Fri, Oct 2, 2026 at
3:10 PM Alan C. Assis <> > > > >> [email protected]> > > > >> > > >> > > > >> >
> > >> > wrote:> > > > >> > > > >> > > > >> > > > >> > > > >> > > > > -1> > > >
>> > > > >> > > > >> > > > >> > > > >> > > > > As I explained before we cannot
keep all HALs under> > > ASF.> > > > >> > > > >> > > > >> > > > >> > > > >> > >
> > BR,> > > > >> > > > >> > > > >> > > > >> > > > >> > > > > Alan> > > > >> >
> > >> > > > >> > > > >> > > > >> > > > > On Fri, Oct 2, 2026 at 10:31 AM Tiago
Medicci> > > Serrano <> > > > >> > > > >> > > > > [email protected]>
wrote:> > > > >> > > > >> > > > >> > > > >> > > > >> > > > > > Hi All,> > > >
>> > > > >> > > > > >> > > > >> > > > >> > > > > > After several discussions
about HAL usage and> > > community> > > > >> > > > >> governance> > > > >> > >
> >> > > > > > [1][2][3], we (Espressif) propose hosting the> > > current> > >
> >> > > content> > > > >> > > > >> of `> > > > >> > > > >> > > > > >
github.com/espressif/esp-hal-3rdparty`> >
<http://github.com/espressif/esp-hal-3rdparty>> > >
<http://github.com/espressif/esp-hal-3rdparty>> > > > >>
<http://github.com/espressif/esp-hal-3rdparty>> > > > >> > >
<http://github.com/espressif/esp-hal-3rdparty>> > > > >> > > >
<http://github.com/espressif/esp-hal-3rdparty>> > > > >> > > > >>
<http://github.com/espressif/esp-hal-3rdparty>> > > > >> > > > >> >
<http://github.com/espressif/esp-hal-3rdparty>> > > > >> > > > >> > >
<http://github.com/espressif/esp-hal-3rdparty>> > > > >> > > > >> > > >
<http://github.com/espressif/esp-hal-3rdparty>> > > > >> > > > >> > > > > >
<http://github.com/espressif/esp-hal-3rdparty>> > > under> > > > >> an> > > >
>> > > > >> ASF-hosted> > > > >> > > > >> > > > > > repository: `> > > > >> > >
> >> > > > > > github.com/apache/nuttx-hal-espressif`> >
<http://github.com/apache/nuttx-hal-espressif>> > >
<http://github.com/apache/nuttx-hal-espressif>> > > > >>
<http://github.com/apache/nuttx-hal-espressif>> > > > >> > >
<http://github.com/apache/nuttx-hal-espressif>> > > > >> > > >
<http://github.com/apache/nuttx-hal-espressif>> > > > >> > > > >>
<http://github.com/apache/nuttx-hal-espressif>> > > > >> > > > >> >
<http://github.com/apache/nuttx-hal-espressif>> > > > >> > > > >> > >
<http://github.com/apache/nuttx-hal-espressif>> > > > >> > > > >> > > >
<http://github.com/apache/nuttx-hal-espressif>> > > > >> > > > >> > > > > >
<http://github.com/apache/nuttx-hal-espressif>.> > > > >> > > > >> > > > > >> >
> > >> > > > >> > > > > > *What does it mean:*> > > > >> > > > >> > > > > >> >
> > >> > > > >> > > > > > - `esp-hal-3rdparty` content is already Apache> >
> 2.0> > > > >> > > > licensed.> > > > >> > > > >> > > > > > - Espressif's
CCLA allows us to contribute to> > a> > > > >> newly> > > > >> > > > created> >
> > >> > > > >> > > > > > repository: we would create a PR on `> > > > >> >
> > >> > > > > > github.com/apache/nuttx-hal-espressif`> >
<http://github.com/apache/nuttx-hal-espressif>> > >
<http://github.com/apache/nuttx-hal-espressif>> > > > >>
<http://github.com/apache/nuttx-hal-espressif>> > > > >> > >
<http://github.com/apache/nuttx-hal-espressif>> > > > >> > > >
<http://github.com/apache/nuttx-hal-espressif>> > > > >> > > > >>
<http://github.com/apache/nuttx-hal-espressif>> > > > >> > > > >> >
<http://github.com/apache/nuttx-hal-espressif>> > > > >> > > > >> > >
<http://github.com/apache/nuttx-hal-espressif>> > > > >> > > > >> > > >
<http://github.com/apache/nuttx-hal-espressif>> > > > >> > > > >> > > > > >
<http://github.com/apache/nuttx-hal-espressif>> > > with> > > > >> > > > >> > >
`esp-hal-3rdparty`> > > > >> > > > >> > > > > > content.> > > > >> > > > >> > >
> > > - On the other hand, the org account on `> > > > >> > > > >>
github.com/nuttx` <http://github.com/nuttx> <> > http://github.com/nuttx> <> >
> http://github.com/nuttx> <> > > > >> http://github.com/nuttx>
<http://github.com/nuttx>> > > > >> > > <http://github.com/nuttx>> > > > >> > >
> >> > <http://github.com/nuttx>> > > > >> > > > >> > >
<http://github.com/nuttx>> > > > >> > > > >> > > > <http://github.com/nuttx>> >
> > >> > > > >> > > > > > <http://github.com/nuttx> is not> > > > >> > > > >> >
> > > > legally attached to Apache Software> > > Foundation> > > > >>
and,> > > > >> > > > >> > > > > > consequently, to NuttX.> > > > >> > > > >> >
> > > > We can't directly contribute to it.> > > > >> > > > >> > > > > >
- NuttX's committers will have (just like> > > `nuttx`> > > > >> and> > > >
>> > > > >> > > `nuttx-apps`)> > > > >> > > > >> > > > > > write permissions
to merge PRs on the newly> > > created> > > > >> > > > >> repository;> > > > >>
> > > >> > > > > > - Espressif will support the community with> > HAL> > > >
>> usage,> > > > >> > > > >> > including a> > > > >> > > > >> > > > > >
comprehensive guide on how to update it so> > that> > > any> > > > >> > > >
community> > > > >> > > > >> > > > member can> > > > >> > > > >> > > > > >
send patches for HAL.> > > > >> > > > >> > > > > > - The discussion about
HAL governance comes> > and> > > > >> goes,> > > > >> > > > >> creating> > > >
>> > > > >> > > > > > instability in the NuttX community among> > >
members,> > > > >> > > > developers,> > > > >> > > > >> > and> > > > >> > > >
>> > > > > > vendors.> > > > >> > > > >> > > > > > This is no longer
acceptable and needs> > > settlement.> > > > >> That> > > > >> > > > being> > >
> >> > > > >> > > said:> > > > >> > > > >> > > > > > -
`github.com/espressif/esp-hal-3rdparty`> >
<http://github.com/espressif/esp-hal-3rdparty>> > >
<http://github.com/espressif/esp-hal-3rdparty>> > > > >>
<http://github.com/espressif/esp-hal-3rdparty>> > > > >> > >
<http://github.com/espressif/esp-hal-3rdparty>> > > > >> > > >
<http://github.com/espressif/esp-hal-3rdparty>> > > > >> > > > >>
<http://github.com/espressif/esp-hal-3rdparty>> > > > >> > > > >> >
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<http://github.com/espressif/esp-hal-3rdparty>> > > will no> > > > >> > >
longer> > > > >> > > > >> > > receive> > > > >> > > > >> > > > > > direct
contributions for now.> > > > >> > > > >> > > > > > - The newly created>
> > `apache/nuttx-hal-espressif`> > > > >> - if> > > > >> > > > the> > > > >> >
> > >> > > > community> > > > >> > > > >> > > > > > agrees on that - will
enable it to evolve> > and> > > > >> receive> > > > >> > > > new> > > > >> > >
> >> > > > > > contributions> > > > >> > > > >> > > > > > with more
authority from the community.> > > > >> > > > >> > > > > > - On the other
hand, native development is> > > > >> always an> > > > >> > > > >> option> > >
> >> > > > >> > if> > > > >> > > > >> > > > the> > > > >> > > > >> > > > > >
community decides to keep supporting the> > > devices> > > > >> on> > > > >>
> > its> > > > >> > > > >> own.> > > > >> > > > >> > > > > >> > > > >> > > > >>
> > > > > *What it doesn't mean:*> > > > >> > > > >> > > > > >> > > > >> > > >
>> > > > > > - It doesn't mean we are pushing NuttX to> > accept> > > > >>
vendor> > > > >> > > > HALs.> > > > >> > > > >> > > > > > `esp-hal-3rdparty`
is a reality, and we want> > to> > > > >> empower> > > > >> > > the> > > > >> >
> > >> > > > community to> > > > >> > > > >> > > > > > enable any NuttX
member to directly work with> > > it.> > > > >> > > > >> > > > > > - The
discussion of whether NuttX should or> > > > >> should not> > > > >> > > > >> >
> officially> > > > >> > > > >> > > > > > approve vendor HALs is not
related to this> > > call> > > > >> for a> > > > >> > > > >> vote.> > > > >> >
> > >> > > > > >> > > > >> > > > >> > > > > > This seems to be a *Procedural
Issue* [4], and a> > > simple> > > > >> > > > majority> > > > >> > > > >> > > >
should be> > > > >> > > > >> > > > > > applied. The community is encouraged to
vote. PMC> > > > >> members> > > > >> > > have> > > > >> > > > >> > > binding>
> > > >> > > > >> > > > > > votes.> > > > >> > > > >> > > > > >> > > > >> > > >
>> > > > > > In that sense, my vote (Tiago) is *+1 *(binding)> > > > >> > > >
>> > > > > >> > > > >> > > > >> > > > > > References:> > > > >> > > > >> > > >
> > [1]> > > > >> > > > >> >> > > > >>
https://lists.apache.org/thread/gf4c3z4ds94lon91op4c6zmclqnwtvcf> > > > >> > >
> >> > > > > > [2]> > > > >> > > > >> >> > > > >>
https://lists.apache.org/thread/nvnrf30jcdsxcrydmo2s95tdtlj8zvx9> > > > >> > >
> >> > > > > > [3]> > > > >> > > > >> >> > > > >>
https://lists.apache.org/thread/bg74qn14rs9qwson5lzt0xjb4fvbqh6j> > > > >> > >
> >> > > > > > [4] https://www.apache.org/foundation/voting> > > > >> > > > >>
> > > > >> > > > >> > > > >> > > >> > > > >> > > > >> > >> > > > >> > > > >> >>
> > > >> > > > >>> > > > >> > > > >> > > > >> > > >> > > > >> > >> > > > >>> >
> > >> > >> >
