Thanks for sharing your thoughts, Thomas, Henry and Stephan. I also think the committers are supposed to be mature enough to know when a review on their own patch is needed.
@Henry, just want to confirm, are you +1 on the proposed bylaws? Thanks, Jiangjie (Becket) Qin On Tue, Aug 20, 2019 at 10:54 AM Stephan Ewen <se...@apache.org> wrote: > I see it somewhat similar to Henry. > > Generally, all committers should go for a review by another committer, > unless it is a trivial comment or style fix. I personally do that, even > though being one of the committers that have been with the project longest. > > For now, I was hoping though that we have a mature enough community that > this "soft rule" is enough. Whenever possible, working based on trust with > soft processes beats working with hard processes. We can still revisit this > in case we see that it does not work out. > > > On Mon, Aug 19, 2019 at 10:21 PM Henry Saputra <henry.sapu...@gmail.com> > wrote: > > > One of the perks of being committers is be able to commit code without > > asking from another committer. Having said that, I think we rely on > > maturity of the committers to know when to ask for reviews and when to > > commit directly. > > > > For example, if someone just change typos on comments or simple rename of > > internal variables, I think we could trust the committer to safely commit > > the changes. When the changes will have effect of changing or introduce > new > > flows of the code, that's when reviews are needed and strongly > encouraged. > > I think the balance is needed for this. > > > > PMCs have the ability and right to revert changes in source repo as > > necessary. > > > > - Henry > > > > On Sun, Aug 18, 2019 at 9:23 PM Thomas Weise <t...@apache.org> wrote: > > > > > +0 (binding) > > > > > > I don't think committers should be allowed to approve their own > changes. > > I > > > would prefer if non-committer contributors can approve committer PRs as > > > that would encourage more participation in code review and ability to > > > contribute. > > > > > > > > > On Fri, Aug 16, 2019 at 9:02 PM Shaoxuan Wang <wshaox...@gmail.com> > > wrote: > > > > > > > +1 (binding) > > > > > > > > On Fri, Aug 16, 2019 at 7:48 PM Chesnay Schepler <ches...@apache.org > > > > > > wrote: > > > > > > > > > +1 (binding) > > > > > > > > > > Although I think it would be a good idea to always cc > > > > > priv...@flink.apache.org when modifying bylaws, if anything to > speed > > > up > > > > > the voting process. > > > > > > > > > > On 16/08/2019 11:26, Ufuk Celebi wrote: > > > > > > +1 (binding) > > > > > > > > > > > > – Ufuk > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > On Wed, Aug 14, 2019 at 4:50 AM Biao Liu <mmyy1...@gmail.com> > > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > >> +1 (non-binding) > > > > > >> > > > > > >> Thanks for pushing this! > > > > > >> > > > > > >> Thanks, > > > > > >> Biao /'bɪ.aʊ/ > > > > > >> > > > > > >> > > > > > >> > > > > > >> On Wed, 14 Aug 2019 at 09:37, Jark Wu <imj...@gmail.com> wrote: > > > > > >> > > > > > >>> +1 (non-binding) > > > > > >>> > > > > > >>> Best, > > > > > >>> Jark > > > > > >>> > > > > > >>> On Wed, 14 Aug 2019 at 09:22, Kurt Young <ykt...@gmail.com> > > wrote: > > > > > >>> > > > > > >>>> +1 (binding) > > > > > >>>> > > > > > >>>> Best, > > > > > >>>> Kurt > > > > > >>>> > > > > > >>>> > > > > > >>>> On Wed, Aug 14, 2019 at 1:34 AM Yun Tang <myas...@live.com> > > > wrote: > > > > > >>>> > > > > > >>>>> +1 (non-binding) > > > > > >>>>> > > > > > >>>>> But I have a minor question about "code change" action, for > > those > > > > > >>>>> "[hotfix]" github pull requests [1], the dev mailing list > would > > > not > > > > > >> be > > > > > >>>>> notified currently. I think we should change the description > of > > > > this > > > > > >>>> action. > > > > > >>>>> > > > > > >>>>> [1] > > > > > >>>>> > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > https://flink.apache.org/contributing/contribute-code.html#code-contribution-process > > > > > >>>>> Best > > > > > >>>>> Yun Tang > > > > > >>>>> ________________________________ > > > > > >>>>> From: JingsongLee <lzljs3620...@aliyun.com.INVALID> > > > > > >>>>> Sent: Tuesday, August 13, 2019 23:56 > > > > > >>>>> To: dev <dev@flink.apache.org> > > > > > >>>>> Subject: Re: [VOTE] Flink Project Bylaws > > > > > >>>>> > > > > > >>>>> +1 (non-binding) > > > > > >>>>> Thanks Becket. > > > > > >>>>> I've learned a lot from current bylaws. > > > > > >>>>> > > > > > >>>>> Best, > > > > > >>>>> Jingsong Lee > > > > > >>>>> > > > > > >>>>> > > > > > >>>>> > > > ------------------------------------------------------------------ > > > > > >>>>> From:Yu Li <car...@gmail.com> > > > > > >>>>> Send Time:2019年8月13日(星期二) 17:48 > > > > > >>>>> To:dev <dev@flink.apache.org> > > > > > >>>>> Subject:Re: [VOTE] Flink Project Bylaws > > > > > >>>>> > > > > > >>>>> +1 (non-binding) > > > > > >>>>> > > > > > >>>>> Thanks for the efforts Becket! > > > > > >>>>> > > > > > >>>>> Best Regards, > > > > > >>>>> Yu > > > > > >>>>> > > > > > >>>>> > > > > > >>>>> On Tue, 13 Aug 2019 at 16:09, Xintong Song < > > > tonysong...@gmail.com> > > > > > >>>> wrote: > > > > > >>>>>> +1 (non-binding) > > > > > >>>>>> > > > > > >>>>>> Thank you~ > > > > > >>>>>> > > > > > >>>>>> Xintong Song > > > > > >>>>>> > > > > > >>>>>> > > > > > >>>>>> > > > > > >>>>>> On Tue, Aug 13, 2019 at 1:48 PM Robert Metzger < > > > > > >> rmetz...@apache.org> > > > > > >>>>>> wrote: > > > > > >>>>>> > > > > > >>>>>>> +1 (binding) > > > > > >>>>>>> > > > > > >>>>>>> On Tue, Aug 13, 2019 at 1:47 PM Becket Qin < > > > becket....@gmail.com > > > > > >>>>> wrote: > > > > > >>>>>>>> Thanks everyone for voting. > > > > > >>>>>>>> > > > > > >>>>>>>> For those who have already voted, just want to bring this > up > > > to > > > > > >>>> your > > > > > >>>>>>>> attention that there is a minor clarification to the > bylaws > > > > > >> wiki > > > > > >>>> this > > > > > >>>>>>>> morning. The change is in bold format below: > > > > > >>>>>>>> > > > > > >>>>>>>> one +1 from a committer followed by a Lazy approval (not > > > > > >> counting > > > > > >>>> the > > > > > >>>>>>> vote > > > > > >>>>>>>>> of the contributor), moving to lazy majority if a -1 is > > > > > >>> received. > > > > > >>>>>>>> > > > > > >>>>>>>> Note that this implies that committers can +1 their own > > > commits > > > > > >>> and > > > > > >>>>>> merge > > > > > >>>>>>>>> right away. *However, the committe**rs should use their > > best > > > > > >>>>>> judgement > > > > > >>>>>>> to > > > > > >>>>>>>>> respect the components expertise and ongoing development > > > > > >> plan.* > > > > > >>>>>>>> > > > > > >>>>>>>> This addition does not really change anything the bylaws > > meant > > > > > >> to > > > > > >>>>> set. > > > > > >>>>>> It > > > > > >>>>>>>> is simply a clarification. If anyone who have casted the > > vote > > > > > >>>>> objects, > > > > > >>>>>>>> please feel free to withdraw the vote. > > > > > >>>>>>>> > > > > > >>>>>>>> Thanks, > > > > > >>>>>>>> > > > > > >>>>>>>> Jiangjie (Becket) Qin > > > > > >>>>>>>> > > > > > >>>>>>>> > > > > > >>>>>>>> On Tue, Aug 13, 2019 at 1:29 PM Piotr Nowojski < > > > > > >>>> pi...@ververica.com> > > > > > >>>>>>>> wrote: > > > > > >>>>>>>> > > > > > >>>>>>>>> +1 > > > > > >>>>>>>>> > > > > > >>>>>>>>>> On 13 Aug 2019, at 13:22, vino yang < > > yanghua1...@gmail.com > > > > > >>>>> wrote: > > > > > >>>>>>>>>> +1 > > > > > >>>>>>>>>> > > > > > >>>>>>>>>> Tzu-Li (Gordon) Tai <tzuli...@apache.org> 于2019年8月13日周二 > > > > > >>>>> 下午6:32写道： > > > > > >>>>>>>>>>> +1 > > > > > >>>>>>>>>>> > > > > > >>>>>>>>>>> On Tue, Aug 13, 2019, 12:31 PM Hequn Cheng < > > > > > >>>>> chenghe...@gmail.com> > > > > > >>>>>>>>> wrote: > > > > > >>>>>>>>>>>> +1 (non-binding) > > > > > >>>>>>>>>>>> > > > > > >>>>>>>>>>>> Thanks a lot for driving this! Good job. @Becket Qin < > > > > > >>>>>>>>>>> becket....@gmail.com > > > > > >>>>>>>>>>>> Best, Hequn > > > > > >>>>>>>>>>>> > > > > > >>>>>>>>>>>> On Tue, Aug 13, 2019 at 6:26 PM Stephan Ewen < > > > > > >>>> se...@apache.org > > > > > >>>>>>>> wrote: > > > > > >>>>>>>>>>>>> +1 > > > > > >>>>>>>>>>>>> > > > > > >>>>>>>>>>>>> On Tue, Aug 13, 2019 at 12:22 PM Maximilian Michels < > > > > > >>>>>>> m...@apache.org > > > > > >>>>>>>>>>>>> wrote: > > > > > >>>>>>>>>>>>> > > > > > >>>>>>>>>>>>>> +1 It's good that we formalize this. > > > > > >>>>>>>>>>>>>> > > > > > >>>>>>>>>>>>>> On 13.08.19 10:41, Fabian Hueske wrote: > > > > > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> +1 for the proposed bylaws. > > > > > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Thanks for pushing this Becket! > > > > > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> > > > > > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Cheers, Fabian > > > > > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> > > > > > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Am Mo., 12. Aug. 2019 um 16:31 Uhr schrieb Robert > > > > > >>> Metzger > > > > > >>>> < > > > > > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> rmetz...@apache.org>: > > > > > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> > > > > > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> I changed the permissions of the page. > > > > > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> > > > > > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> On Mon, Aug 12, 2019 at 4:21 PM Till Rohrmann < > > > > > >>>>>>>>>>>> trohrm...@apache.org> > > > > > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> wrote: > > > > > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> > > > > > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> +1 for the proposal. Thanks a lot for driving > this > > > > > >>>>>> discussion > > > > > >>>>>>>>>>>>> Becket! > > > > > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Cheers, > > > > > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Till > > > > > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> > > > > > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> On Mon, Aug 12, 2019 at 3:02 PM Becket Qin < > > > > > >>>>>>>>>>> becket....@gmail.com> > > > > > >>>>>>>>>>>>>> wrote: > > > > > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Hi Robert, > > > > > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> > > > > > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> That's a good suggestion. Will you help to > change > > > > > >> the > > > > > >>>>>>>>>>> permission > > > > > >>>>>>>>>>>> on > > > > > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> that > > > > > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> page? > > > > > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> > > > > > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Thanks, > > > > > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> > > > > > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Jiangjie (Becket) Qin > > > > > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> > > > > > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> On Mon, Aug 12, 2019 at 2:41 PM Robert Metzger < > > > > > >>>>>>>>>>>>> rmetz...@apache.org> > > > > > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> wrote: > > > > > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> > > > > > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Thanks for starting the vote. > > > > > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> How about putting a specific version in the > wiki > > > > > >> up > > > > > >>>> for > > > > > >>>>>>>>>>> voting, > > > > > >>>>>>>>>>>> or > > > > > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> restricting edit access to the page to the PMC? > > > > > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> There were already two changes (very minor) to > > the > > > > > >>>> page > > > > > >>>>>>> since > > > > > >>>>>>>>>>>> the > > > > > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> vote > > > > > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> has > > > > > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> started: > > > > > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> > > > > > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > https://cwiki.apache.org/confluence/pages/viewpreviousversions.action?pageId=120731026 > > > > > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> I suggest to restrict edit access to the page. > > > > > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> > > > > > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> > > > > > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> > > > > > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> On Mon, Aug 12, 2019 at 11:43 AM Timo Walther < > > > > > >>>>>>>>>>>> twal...@apache.org > > > > > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> wrote: > > > > > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> +1 > > > > > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> > > > > > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Thanks for all the efforts you put into this > for > > > > > >>>>>>> documenting > > > > > >>>>>>>>>>>> how > > > > > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> the > > > > > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> project operates. > > > > > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> > > > > > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Regards, > > > > > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Timo > > > > > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> > > > > > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Am 12.08.19 um 10:44 schrieb Aljoscha Krettek: > > > > > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> +1 > > > > > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> > > > > > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> On 11. Aug 2019, at 10:07, Becket Qin < > > > > > >>>>>>>>>>> becket....@gmail.com> > > > > > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> wrote: > > > > > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Hi all, > > > > > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> > > > > > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> I would like to start a voting thread on the > > > > > >>>> project > > > > > >>>>>>> bylaws > > > > > >>>>>>>>>>>> of > > > > > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Flink. > > > > > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> It > > > > > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> aims to help the community coordinate more > > > > > >>>> smoothly. > > > > > >>>>>>> Please > > > > > >>>>>>>>>>>> see > > > > > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> the > > > > > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> bylaws > > > > > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> wiki page below for details. > > > > > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> > > > > > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > https://cwiki.apache.org/confluence/pages/viewpage.action?pageId=120731026 > > > > > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> The discussion thread is following: > > > > > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> > > > > > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > http://apache-flink-mailing-list-archive.1008284.n3.nabble.com/DISCUSS-Flink-project-bylaws-td30409.html > > > > > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> The vote will be open for at least 6 days. > PMC > > > > > >>>>> members' > > > > > >>>>>>>>>>> votes > > > > > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> are > > > > > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> considered as binding. The vote requires 2/3 > > > > > >>>> majority > > > > > >>>>>> of > > > > > >>>>>>>>>>> the > > > > > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> binding > > > > > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> +1s to > > > > > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> pass. > > > > > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> > > > > > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Thanks, > > > > > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> > > > > > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Jiangjie (Becket) Qin > > > > > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> > > > > > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> > > > > > >>>>>>>>>>>>>> > > > > > >>>>>>>>> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >
