+1 Becket Qin <becket....@gmail.com>于2019年8月22日 周四16:22写道：
> Hi All, so far the votes count as following: > > +1 (Binding): 13 (Aljoscha, Fabian, Kurt, Till, Timo, Max, Stephan, > Gordon, Robert, Ufuk, Chesnay, Shaoxuan, Henry) > +0 (Binding): 1 (Thomas) > > +1 (Non-Binding): 10 (Hequn, Vino, Piotr, Dawid, Xintong, Yu, Jingsong, > Yun, Jark, Biao) > > Given that more than 6 days have passed and there are not sufficient +1s > to pass the vote. I am reaching out the the binding voters that have not > voted yet here. > > > @Greg, @Gyula, @Kostas, @Alan, @jincheng, @Marton, @Sebastian, @Vasiliki, > @Daniel > > Would you have time to check the Flink bylaws proposal and vote on it? The > bylaws wiki is following: > https://cwiki.apache.org/confluence/pages/viewpage.action?pageId=120731026 > > We are following the 2/3 majority voting process. This is the first > attempt of reaching out to the PMCs that have not voted yet. We will make > another attempt after 7 days if the result of the vote is still not > determined by then. > > Also CCing private@ in case one did not setup the Apache email forwarding. > > Thanks, > > Jiangjie (Becket) Qin > > > > On Thu, Aug 22, 2019 at 8:03 AM Henry Saputra <henry.sapu...@gmail.com> > wrote: > >> Oh yeah, +1 LGTM >> >> Thanks for working on this. >> >> - Henry >> >> On Tue, Aug 20, 2019 at 2:17 AM Becket Qin <becket....@gmail.com> wrote: >> >> > Thanks for sharing your thoughts, Thomas, Henry and Stephan. I also >> think >> > the committers are supposed to be mature enough to know when a review on >> > their own patch is needed. >> > >> > @Henry, just want to confirm, are you +1 on the proposed bylaws? >> > >> > Thanks, >> > >> > Jiangjie (Becket) Qin >> > >> > On Tue, Aug 20, 2019 at 10:54 AM Stephan Ewen <se...@apache.org> wrote: >> > >> > > I see it somewhat similar to Henry. >> > > >> > > Generally, all committers should go for a review by another committer, >> > > unless it is a trivial comment or style fix. I personally do that, >> even >> > > though being one of the committers that have been with the project >> > longest. >> > > >> > > For now, I was hoping though that we have a mature enough community >> that >> > > this "soft rule" is enough. Whenever possible, working based on trust >> > with >> > > soft processes beats working with hard processes. We can still revisit >> > this >> > > in case we see that it does not work out. >> > > >> > > >> > > On Mon, Aug 19, 2019 at 10:21 PM Henry Saputra < >> henry.sapu...@gmail.com> >> > > wrote: >> > > >> > > > One of the perks of being committers is be able to commit code >> without >> > > > asking from another committer. Having said that, I think we rely on >> > > > maturity of the committers to know when to ask for reviews and when >> to >> > > > commit directly. >> > > > >> > > > For example, if someone just change typos on comments or simple >> rename >> > of >> > > > internal variables, I think we could trust the committer to safely >> > commit >> > > > the changes. When the changes will have effect of changing or >> introduce >> > > new >> > > > flows of the code, that's when reviews are needed and strongly >> > > encouraged. >> > > > I think the balance is needed for this. >> > > > >> > > > PMCs have the ability and right to revert changes in source repo as >> > > > necessary. >> > > > >> > > > - Henry >> > > > >> > > > On Sun, Aug 18, 2019 at 9:23 PM Thomas Weise <t...@apache.org> >> wrote: >> > > > >> > > > > +0 (binding) >> > > > > >> > > > > I don't think committers should be allowed to approve their own >> > > changes. >> > > > I >> > > > > would prefer if non-committer contributors can approve committer >> PRs >> > as >> > > > > that would encourage more participation in code review and >> ability to >> > > > > contribute. >> > > > > >> > > > > >> > > > > On Fri, Aug 16, 2019 at 9:02 PM Shaoxuan Wang < >> wshaox...@gmail.com> >> > > > wrote: >> > > > > >> > > > > > +1 (binding) >> > > > > > >> > > > > > On Fri, Aug 16, 2019 at 7:48 PM Chesnay Schepler < >> > ches...@apache.org >> > > > >> > > > > > wrote: >> > > > > > >> > > > > > > +1 (binding) >> > > > > > > >> > > > > > > Although I think it would be a good idea to always cc >> > > > > > > priv...@flink.apache.org when modifying bylaws, if anything >> to >> > > speed >> > > > > up >> > > > > > > the voting process. >> > > > > > > >> > > > > > > On 16/08/2019 11:26, Ufuk Celebi wrote: >> > > > > > > > +1 (binding) >> > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > – Ufuk >> > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > On Wed, Aug 14, 2019 at 4:50 AM Biao Liu < >> mmyy1...@gmail.com> >> > > > wrote: >> > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > >> +1 (non-binding) >> > > > > > > >> >> > > > > > > >> Thanks for pushing this! >> > > > > > > >> >> > > > > > > >> Thanks, >> > > > > > > >> Biao /'bɪ.aʊ/ >> > > > > > > >> >> > > > > > > >> >> > > > > > > >> >> > > > > > > >> On Wed, 14 Aug 2019 at 09:37, Jark Wu <imj...@gmail.com> >> > wrote: >> > > > > > > >> >> > > > > > > >>> +1 (non-binding) >> > > > > > > >>> >> > > > > > > >>> Best, >> > > > > > > >>> Jark >> > > > > > > >>> >> > > > > > > >>> On Wed, 14 Aug 2019 at 09:22, Kurt Young < >> ykt...@gmail.com> >> > > > wrote: >> > > > > > > >>> >> > > > > > > >>>> +1 (binding) >> > > > > > > >>>> >> > > > > > > >>>> Best, >> > > > > > > >>>> Kurt >> > > > > > > >>>> >> > > > > > > >>>> >> > > > > > > >>>> On Wed, Aug 14, 2019 at 1:34 AM Yun Tang < >> myas...@live.com> >> > > > > wrote: >> > > > > > > >>>> >> > > > > > > >>>>> +1 (non-binding) >> > > > > > > >>>>> >> > > > > > > >>>>> But I have a minor question about "code change" action, >> for >> > > > those >> > > > > > > >>>>> "[hotfix]" github pull requests [1], the dev mailing >> list >> > > would >> > > > > not >> > > > > > > >> be >> > > > > > > >>>>> notified currently. I think we should change the >> > description >> > > of >> > > > > > this >> > > > > > > >>>> action. >> > > > > > > >>>>> >> > > > > > > >>>>> [1] >> > > > > > > >>>>> >> > > > > > > >> >> > > > > > > >> > > > > > >> > > > > >> > > > >> > > >> > >> https://flink.apache.org/contributing/contribute-code.html#code-contribution-process >> > > > > > > >>>>> Best >> > > > > > > >>>>> Yun Tang >> > > > > > > >>>>> ________________________________ >> > > > > > > >>>>> From: JingsongLee <lzljs3620...@aliyun.com.INVALID> >> > > > > > > >>>>> Sent: Tuesday, August 13, 2019 23:56 >> > > > > > > >>>>> To: dev <dev@flink.apache.org> >> > > > > > > >>>>> Subject: Re: [VOTE] Flink Project Bylaws >> > > > > > > >>>>> >> > > > > > > >>>>> +1 (non-binding) >> > > > > > > >>>>> Thanks Becket. >> > > > > > > >>>>> I've learned a lot from current bylaws. >> > > > > > > >>>>> >> > > > > > > >>>>> Best, >> > > > > > > >>>>> Jingsong Lee >> > > > > > > >>>>> >> > > > > > > >>>>> >> > > > > > > >>>>> >> > > > > ------------------------------------------------------------------ >> > > > > > > >>>>> From:Yu Li <car...@gmail.com> >> > > > > > > >>>>> Send Time:2019年8月13日(星期二) 17:48 >> > > > > > > >>>>> To:dev <dev@flink.apache.org> >> > > > > > > >>>>> Subject:Re: [VOTE] Flink Project Bylaws >> > > > > > > >>>>> >> > > > > > > >>>>> +1 (non-binding) >> > > > > > > >>>>> >> > > > > > > >>>>> Thanks for the efforts Becket! >> > > > > > > >>>>> >> > > > > > > >>>>> Best Regards, >> > > > > > > >>>>> Yu >> > > > > > > >>>>> >> > > > > > > >>>>> >> > > > > > > >>>>> On Tue, 13 Aug 2019 at 16:09, Xintong Song < >> > > > > tonysong...@gmail.com> >> > > > > > > >>>> wrote: >> > > > > > > >>>>>> +1 (non-binding) >> > > > > > > >>>>>> >> > > > > > > >>>>>> Thank you~ >> > > > > > > >>>>>> >> > > > > > > >>>>>> Xintong Song >> > > > > > > >>>>>> >> > > > > > > >>>>>> >> > > > > > > >>>>>> >> > > > > > > >>>>>> On Tue, Aug 13, 2019 at 1:48 PM Robert Metzger < >> > > > > > > >> rmetz...@apache.org> >> > > > > > > >>>>>> wrote: >> > > > > > > >>>>>> >> > > > > > > >>>>>>> +1 (binding) >> > > > > > > >>>>>>> >> > > > > > > >>>>>>> On Tue, Aug 13, 2019 at 1:47 PM Becket Qin < >> > > > > becket....@gmail.com >> > > > > > > >>>>> wrote: >> > > > > > > >>>>>>>> Thanks everyone for voting. >> > > > > > > >>>>>>>> >> > > > > > > >>>>>>>> For those who have already voted, just want to bring >> > this >> > > up >> > > > > to >> > > > > > > >>>> your >> > > > > > > >>>>>>>> attention that there is a minor clarification to the >> > > bylaws >> > > > > > > >> wiki >> > > > > > > >>>> this >> > > > > > > >>>>>>>> morning. The change is in bold format below: >> > > > > > > >>>>>>>> >> > > > > > > >>>>>>>> one +1 from a committer followed by a Lazy approval >> (not >> > > > > > > >> counting >> > > > > > > >>>> the >> > > > > > > >>>>>>> vote >> > > > > > > >>>>>>>>> of the contributor), moving to lazy majority if a >> -1 is >> > > > > > > >>> received. >> > > > > > > >>>>>>>> >> > > > > > > >>>>>>>> Note that this implies that committers can +1 their >> own >> > > > > commits >> > > > > > > >>> and >> > > > > > > >>>>>> merge >> > > > > > > >>>>>>>>> right away. *However, the committe**rs should use >> their >> > > > best >> > > > > > > >>>>>> judgement >> > > > > > > >>>>>>> to >> > > > > > > >>>>>>>>> respect the components expertise and ongoing >> > development >> > > > > > > >> plan.* >> > > > > > > >>>>>>>> >> > > > > > > >>>>>>>> This addition does not really change anything the >> bylaws >> > > > meant >> > > > > > > >> to >> > > > > > > >>>>> set. >> > > > > > > >>>>>> It >> > > > > > > >>>>>>>> is simply a clarification. If anyone who have casted >> the >> > > > vote >> > > > > > > >>>>> objects, >> > > > > > > >>>>>>>> please feel free to withdraw the vote. >> > > > > > > >>>>>>>> >> > > > > > > >>>>>>>> Thanks, >> > > > > > > >>>>>>>> >> > > > > > > >>>>>>>> Jiangjie (Becket) Qin >> > > > > > > >>>>>>>> >> > > > > > > >>>>>>>> >> > > > > > > >>>>>>>> On Tue, Aug 13, 2019 at 1:29 PM Piotr Nowojski < >> > > > > > > >>>> pi...@ververica.com> >> > > > > > > >>>>>>>> wrote: >> > > > > > > >>>>>>>> >> > > > > > > >>>>>>>>> +1 >> > > > > > > >>>>>>>>> >> > > > > > > >>>>>>>>>> On 13 Aug 2019, at 13:22, vino yang < >> > > > yanghua1...@gmail.com >> > > > > > > >>>>> wrote: >> > > > > > > >>>>>>>>>> +1 >> > > > > > > >>>>>>>>>> >> > > > > > > >>>>>>>>>> Tzu-Li (Gordon) Tai <tzuli...@apache.org> >> > 于2019年8月13日周二 >> > > > > > > >>>>> 下午6:32写道： >> > > > > > > >>>>>>>>>>> +1 >> > > > > > > >>>>>>>>>>> >> > > > > > > >>>>>>>>>>> On Tue, Aug 13, 2019, 12:31 PM Hequn Cheng < >> > > > > > > >>>>> chenghe...@gmail.com> >> > > > > > > >>>>>>>>> wrote: >> > > > > > > >>>>>>>>>>>> +1 (non-binding) >> > > > > > > >>>>>>>>>>>> >> > > > > > > >>>>>>>>>>>> Thanks a lot for driving this! Good job. @Becket >> > Qin < >> > > > > > > >>>>>>>>>>> becket....@gmail.com >> > > > > > > >>>>>>>>>>>> Best, Hequn >> > > > > > > >>>>>>>>>>>> >> > > > > > > >>>>>>>>>>>> On Tue, Aug 13, 2019 at 6:26 PM Stephan Ewen < >> > > > > > > >>>> se...@apache.org >> > > > > > > >>>>>>>> wrote: >> > > > > > > >>>>>>>>>>>>> +1 >> > > > > > > >>>>>>>>>>>>> >> > > > > > > >>>>>>>>>>>>> On Tue, Aug 13, 2019 at 12:22 PM Maximilian >> > Michels < >> > > > > > > >>>>>>> m...@apache.org >> > > > > > > >>>>>>>>>>>>> wrote: >> > > > > > > >>>>>>>>>>>>> >> > > > > > > >>>>>>>>>>>>>> +1 It's good that we formalize this. >> > > > > > > >>>>>>>>>>>>>> >> > > > > > > >>>>>>>>>>>>>> On 13.08.19 10:41, Fabian Hueske wrote: >> > > > > > > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> +1 for the proposed bylaws. >> > > > > > > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Thanks for pushing this Becket! >> > > > > > > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >> > > > > > > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Cheers, Fabian >> > > > > > > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >> > > > > > > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Am Mo., 12. Aug. 2019 um 16:31 Uhr schrieb >> Robert >> > > > > > > >>> Metzger >> > > > > > > >>>> < >> > > > > > > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> rmetz...@apache.org>: >> > > > > > > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >> > > > > > > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> I changed the permissions of the page. >> > > > > > > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >> > > > > > > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> On Mon, Aug 12, 2019 at 4:21 PM Till >> Rohrmann < >> > > > > > > >>>>>>>>>>>> trohrm...@apache.org> >> > > > > > > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> wrote: >> > > > > > > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >> > > > > > > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> +1 for the proposal. Thanks a lot for >> driving >> > > this >> > > > > > > >>>>>> discussion >> > > > > > > >>>>>>>>>>>>> Becket! >> > > > > > > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Cheers, >> > > > > > > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Till >> > > > > > > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >> > > > > > > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> On Mon, Aug 12, 2019 at 3:02 PM Becket Qin < >> > > > > > > >>>>>>>>>>> becket....@gmail.com> >> > > > > > > >>>>>>>>>>>>>> wrote: >> > > > > > > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Hi Robert, >> > > > > > > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >> > > > > > > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> That's a good suggestion. Will you help to >> > > change >> > > > > > > >> the >> > > > > > > >>>>>>>>>>> permission >> > > > > > > >>>>>>>>>>>> on >> > > > > > > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> that >> > > > > > > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> page? >> > > > > > > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >> > > > > > > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Thanks, >> > > > > > > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >> > > > > > > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Jiangjie (Becket) Qin >> > > > > > > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >> > > > > > > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> On Mon, Aug 12, 2019 at 2:41 PM Robert >> > Metzger < >> > > > > > > >>>>>>>>>>>>> rmetz...@apache.org> >> > > > > > > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> wrote: >> > > > > > > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >> > > > > > > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Thanks for starting the vote. >> > > > > > > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> How about putting a specific version in >> the >> > > wiki >> > > > > > > >> up >> > > > > > > >>>> for >> > > > > > > >>>>>>>>>>> voting, >> > > > > > > >>>>>>>>>>>> or >> > > > > > > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> restricting edit access to the page to the >> > PMC? >> > > > > > > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> There were already two changes (very >> minor) >> > to >> > > > the >> > > > > > > >>>> page >> > > > > > > >>>>>>> since >> > > > > > > >>>>>>>>>>>> the >> > > > > > > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> vote >> > > > > > > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> has >> > > > > > > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> started: >> > > > > > > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >> > > > > > > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >> > > > > > > >> >> > > > > > > >> > > > > > >> > > > > >> > > > >> > > >> > >> https://cwiki.apache.org/confluence/pages/viewpreviousversions.action?pageId=120731026 >> > > > > > > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> I suggest to restrict edit access to the >> > page. >> > > > > > > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >> > > > > > > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >> > > > > > > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >> > > > > > > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> On Mon, Aug 12, 2019 at 11:43 AM Timo >> > Walther < >> > > > > > > >>>>>>>>>>>> twal...@apache.org >> > > > > > > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> wrote: >> > > > > > > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> +1 >> > > > > > > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >> > > > > > > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Thanks for all the efforts you put into >> this >> > > for >> > > > > > > >>>>>>> documenting >> > > > > > > >>>>>>>>>>>> how >> > > > > > > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> the >> > > > > > > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> project operates. >> > > > > > > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >> > > > > > > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Regards, >> > > > > > > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Timo >> > > > > > > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >> > > > > > > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Am 12.08.19 um 10:44 schrieb Aljoscha >> > Krettek: >> > > > > > > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> +1 >> > > > > > > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >> > > > > > > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> On 11. Aug 2019, at 10:07, Becket Qin < >> > > > > > > >>>>>>>>>>> becket....@gmail.com> >> > > > > > > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> wrote: >> > > > > > > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Hi all, >> > > > > > > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >> > > > > > > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> I would like to start a voting thread >> on >> > the >> > > > > > > >>>> project >> > > > > > > >>>>>>> bylaws >> > > > > > > >>>>>>>>>>>> of >> > > > > > > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Flink. >> > > > > > > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> It >> > > > > > > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> aims to help the community coordinate >> more >> > > > > > > >>>> smoothly. >> > > > > > > >>>>>>> Please >> > > > > > > >>>>>>>>>>>> see >> > > > > > > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> the >> > > > > > > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> bylaws >> > > > > > > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> wiki page below for details. >> > > > > > > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >> > > > > > > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >> > > > > > > >> >> > > > > > > >> > > > > > >> > > > > >> > > > >> > > >> > >> https://cwiki.apache.org/confluence/pages/viewpage.action?pageId=120731026 >> > > > > > > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> The discussion thread is following: >> > > > > > > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >> > > > > > > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >> > > > > > > >> >> > > > > > > >> > > > > > >> > > > > >> > > > >> > > >> > >> http://apache-flink-mailing-list-archive.1008284.n3.nabble.com/DISCUSS-Flink-project-bylaws-td30409.html >> > > > > > > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> The vote will be open for at least 6 >> days. >> > > PMC >> > > > > > > >>>>> members' >> > > > > > > >>>>>>>>>>> votes >> > > > > > > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> are >> > > > > > > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> considered as binding. The vote >> requires >> > 2/3 >> > > > > > > >>>> majority >> > > > > > > >>>>>> of >> > > > > > > >>>>>>>>>>> the >> > > > > > > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> binding >> > > > > > > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> +1s to >> > > > > > > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> pass. >> > > > > > > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >> > > > > > > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Thanks, >> > > > > > > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >> > > > > > > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Jiangjie (Becket) Qin >> > > > > > > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >> > > > > > > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >> > > > > > > >>>>>>>>>>>>>> >> > > > > > > >>>>>>>>> >> > > > > > > >> > > > > > > >> > > > > > >> > > > > >> > > > >> > > >> > >> >
