Hi All, so far the votes count as following: +1 (Binding): 13 (Aljoscha, Fabian, Kurt, Till, Timo, Max, Stephan, Gordon, Robert, Ufuk, Chesnay, Shaoxuan, Henry) +0 (Binding): 1 (Thomas)
+1 (Non-Binding): 10 (Hequn, Vino, Piotr, Dawid, Xintong, Yu, Jingsong, Yun, Jark, Biao) Given that more than 6 days have passed and there are not sufficient +1s to pass the vote. I am reaching out the the binding voters that have not voted yet here. @Greg, @Gyula, @Kostas, @Alan, @jincheng, @Marton, @Sebastian, @Vasiliki, @Daniel Would you have time to check the Flink bylaws proposal and vote on it? The bylaws wiki is following: https://cwiki.apache.org/confluence/pages/viewpage.action?pageId=120731026 We are following the 2/3 majority voting process. This is the first attempt of reaching out to the PMCs that have not voted yet. We will make another attempt after 7 days if the result of the vote is still not determined by then. Also CCing private@ in case one did not setup the Apache email forwarding. Thanks, Jiangjie (Becket) Qin On Thu, Aug 22, 2019 at 8:03 AM Henry Saputra <henry.sapu...@gmail.com> wrote: > Oh yeah, +1 LGTM > > Thanks for working on this. > > - Henry > > On Tue, Aug 20, 2019 at 2:17 AM Becket Qin <becket....@gmail.com> wrote: > > > Thanks for sharing your thoughts, Thomas, Henry and Stephan. I also think > > the committers are supposed to be mature enough to know when a review on > > their own patch is needed. > > > > @Henry, just want to confirm, are you +1 on the proposed bylaws? > > > > Thanks, > > > > Jiangjie (Becket) Qin > > > > On Tue, Aug 20, 2019 at 10:54 AM Stephan Ewen <se...@apache.org> wrote: > > > > > I see it somewhat similar to Henry. > > > > > > Generally, all committers should go for a review by another committer, > > > unless it is a trivial comment or style fix. I personally do that, even > > > though being one of the committers that have been with the project > > longest. > > > > > > For now, I was hoping though that we have a mature enough community > that > > > this "soft rule" is enough. Whenever possible, working based on trust > > with > > > soft processes beats working with hard processes. We can still revisit > > this > > > in case we see that it does not work out. > > > > > > > > > On Mon, Aug 19, 2019 at 10:21 PM Henry Saputra < > henry.sapu...@gmail.com> > > > wrote: > > > > > > > One of the perks of being committers is be able to commit code > without > > > > asking from another committer. Having said that, I think we rely on > > > > maturity of the committers to know when to ask for reviews and when > to > > > > commit directly. > > > > > > > > For example, if someone just change typos on comments or simple > rename > > of > > > > internal variables, I think we could trust the committer to safely > > commit > > > > the changes. When the changes will have effect of changing or > introduce > > > new > > > > flows of the code, that's when reviews are needed and strongly > > > encouraged. > > > > I think the balance is needed for this. > > > > > > > > PMCs have the ability and right to revert changes in source repo as > > > > necessary. > > > > > > > > - Henry > > > > > > > > On Sun, Aug 18, 2019 at 9:23 PM Thomas Weise <t...@apache.org> wrote: > > > > > > > > > +0 (binding) > > > > > > > > > > I don't think committers should be allowed to approve their own > > > changes. > > > > I > > > > > would prefer if non-committer contributors can approve committer > PRs > > as > > > > > that would encourage more participation in code review and ability > to > > > > > contribute. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > On Fri, Aug 16, 2019 at 9:02 PM Shaoxuan Wang <wshaox...@gmail.com > > > > > > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > +1 (binding) > > > > > > > > > > > > On Fri, Aug 16, 2019 at 7:48 PM Chesnay Schepler < > > ches...@apache.org > > > > > > > > > > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > +1 (binding) > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Although I think it would be a good idea to always cc > > > > > > > priv...@flink.apache.org when modifying bylaws, if anything to > > > speed > > > > > up > > > > > > > the voting process. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > On 16/08/2019 11:26, Ufuk Celebi wrote: > > > > > > > > +1 (binding) > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > – Ufuk > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > On Wed, Aug 14, 2019 at 4:50 AM Biao Liu <mmyy1...@gmail.com > > > > > > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> +1 (non-binding) > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > >> Thanks for pushing this! > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > >> Thanks, > > > > > > > >> Biao /'bɪ.aʊ/ > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > >> On Wed, 14 Aug 2019 at 09:37, Jark Wu <imj...@gmail.com> > > wrote: > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > >>> +1 (non-binding) > > > > > > > >>> > > > > > > > >>> Best, > > > > > > > >>> Jark > > > > > > > >>> > > > > > > > >>> On Wed, 14 Aug 2019 at 09:22, Kurt Young <ykt...@gmail.com > > > > > > wrote: > > > > > > > >>> > > > > > > > >>>> +1 (binding) > > > > > > > >>>> > > > > > > > >>>> Best, > > > > > > > >>>> Kurt > > > > > > > >>>> > > > > > > > >>>> > > > > > > > >>>> On Wed, Aug 14, 2019 at 1:34 AM Yun Tang < > myas...@live.com> > > > > > wrote: > > > > > > > >>>> > > > > > > > >>>>> +1 (non-binding) > > > > > > > >>>>> > > > > > > > >>>>> But I have a minor question about "code change" action, > for > > > > those > > > > > > > >>>>> "[hotfix]" github pull requests [1], the dev mailing list > > > would > > > > > not > > > > > > > >> be > > > > > > > >>>>> notified currently. I think we should change the > > description > > > of > > > > > > this > > > > > > > >>>> action. > > > > > > > >>>>> > > > > > > > >>>>> [1] > > > > > > > >>>>> > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > https://flink.apache.org/contributing/contribute-code.html#code-contribution-process > > > > > > > >>>>> Best > > > > > > > >>>>> Yun Tang > > > > > > > >>>>> ________________________________ > > > > > > > >>>>> From: JingsongLee <lzljs3620...@aliyun.com.INVALID> > > > > > > > >>>>> Sent: Tuesday, August 13, 2019 23:56 > > > > > > > >>>>> To: dev <dev@flink.apache.org> > > > > > > > >>>>> Subject: Re: [VOTE] Flink Project Bylaws > > > > > > > >>>>> > > > > > > > >>>>> +1 (non-binding) > > > > > > > >>>>> Thanks Becket. > > > > > > > >>>>> I've learned a lot from current bylaws. > > > > > > > >>>>> > > > > > > > >>>>> Best, > > > > > > > >>>>> Jingsong Lee > > > > > > > >>>>> > > > > > > > >>>>> > > > > > > > >>>>> > > > > > ------------------------------------------------------------------ > > > > > > > >>>>> From:Yu Li <car...@gmail.com> > > > > > > > >>>>> Send Time:2019年8月13日(星期二) 17:48 > > > > > > > >>>>> To:dev <dev@flink.apache.org> > > > > > > > >>>>> Subject:Re: [VOTE] Flink Project Bylaws > > > > > > > >>>>> > > > > > > > >>>>> +1 (non-binding) > > > > > > > >>>>> > > > > > > > >>>>> Thanks for the efforts Becket! > > > > > > > >>>>> > > > > > > > >>>>> Best Regards, > > > > > > > >>>>> Yu > > > > > > > >>>>> > > > > > > > >>>>> > > > > > > > >>>>> On Tue, 13 Aug 2019 at 16:09, Xintong Song < > > > > > tonysong...@gmail.com> > > > > > > > >>>> wrote: > > > > > > > >>>>>> +1 (non-binding) > > > > > > > >>>>>> > > > > > > > >>>>>> Thank you~ > > > > > > > >>>>>> > > > > > > > >>>>>> Xintong Song > > > > > > > >>>>>> > > > > > > > >>>>>> > > > > > > > >>>>>> > > > > > > > >>>>>> On Tue, Aug 13, 2019 at 1:48 PM Robert Metzger < > > > > > > > >> rmetz...@apache.org> > > > > > > > >>>>>> wrote: > > > > > > > >>>>>> > > > > > > > >>>>>>> +1 (binding) > > > > > > > >>>>>>> > > > > > > > >>>>>>> On Tue, Aug 13, 2019 at 1:47 PM Becket Qin < > > > > > becket....@gmail.com > > > > > > > >>>>> wrote: > > > > > > > >>>>>>>> Thanks everyone for voting. > > > > > > > >>>>>>>> > > > > > > > >>>>>>>> For those who have already voted, just want to bring > > this > > > up > > > > > to > > > > > > > >>>> your > > > > > > > >>>>>>>> attention that there is a minor clarification to the > > > bylaws > > > > > > > >> wiki > > > > > > > >>>> this > > > > > > > >>>>>>>> morning. The change is in bold format below: > > > > > > > >>>>>>>> > > > > > > > >>>>>>>> one +1 from a committer followed by a Lazy approval > (not > > > > > > > >> counting > > > > > > > >>>> the > > > > > > > >>>>>>> vote > > > > > > > >>>>>>>>> of the contributor), moving to lazy majority if a -1 > is > > > > > > > >>> received. > > > > > > > >>>>>>>> > > > > > > > >>>>>>>> Note that this implies that committers can +1 their > own > > > > > commits > > > > > > > >>> and > > > > > > > >>>>>> merge > > > > > > > >>>>>>>>> right away. *However, the committe**rs should use > their > > > > best > > > > > > > >>>>>> judgement > > > > > > > >>>>>>> to > > > > > > > >>>>>>>>> respect the components expertise and ongoing > > development > > > > > > > >> plan.* > > > > > > > >>>>>>>> > > > > > > > >>>>>>>> This addition does not really change anything the > bylaws > > > > meant > > > > > > > >> to > > > > > > > >>>>> set. > > > > > > > >>>>>> It > > > > > > > >>>>>>>> is simply a clarification. If anyone who have casted > the > > > > vote > > > > > > > >>>>> objects, > > > > > > > >>>>>>>> please feel free to withdraw the vote. > > > > > > > >>>>>>>> > > > > > > > >>>>>>>> Thanks, > > > > > > > >>>>>>>> > > > > > > > >>>>>>>> Jiangjie (Becket) Qin > > > > > > > >>>>>>>> > > > > > > > >>>>>>>> > > > > > > > >>>>>>>> On Tue, Aug 13, 2019 at 1:29 PM Piotr Nowojski < > > > > > > > >>>> pi...@ververica.com> > > > > > > > >>>>>>>> wrote: > > > > > > > >>>>>>>> > > > > > > > >>>>>>>>> +1 > > > > > > > >>>>>>>>> > > > > > > > >>>>>>>>>> On 13 Aug 2019, at 13:22, vino yang < > > > > yanghua1...@gmail.com > > > > > > > >>>>> wrote: > > > > > > > >>>>>>>>>> +1 > > > > > > > >>>>>>>>>> > > > > > > > >>>>>>>>>> Tzu-Li (Gordon) Tai <tzuli...@apache.org> > > 于2019年8月13日周二 > > > > > > > >>>>> 下午6:32写道： > > > > > > > >>>>>>>>>>> +1 > > > > > > > >>>>>>>>>>> > > > > > > > >>>>>>>>>>> On Tue, Aug 13, 2019, 12:31 PM Hequn Cheng < > > > > > > > >>>>> chenghe...@gmail.com> > > > > > > > >>>>>>>>> wrote: > > > > > > > >>>>>>>>>>>> +1 (non-binding) > > > > > > > >>>>>>>>>>>> > > > > > > > >>>>>>>>>>>> Thanks a lot for driving this! Good job. @Becket > > Qin < > > > > > > > >>>>>>>>>>> becket....@gmail.com > > > > > > > >>>>>>>>>>>> Best, Hequn > > > > > > > >>>>>>>>>>>> > > > > > > > >>>>>>>>>>>> On Tue, Aug 13, 2019 at 6:26 PM Stephan Ewen < > > > > > > > >>>> se...@apache.org > > > > > > > >>>>>>>> wrote: > > > > > > > >>>>>>>>>>>>> +1 > > > > > > > >>>>>>>>>>>>> > > > > > > > >>>>>>>>>>>>> On Tue, Aug 13, 2019 at 12:22 PM Maximilian > > Michels < > > > > > > > >>>>>>> m...@apache.org > > > > > > > >>>>>>>>>>>>> wrote: > > > > > > > >>>>>>>>>>>>> > > > > > > > >>>>>>>>>>>>>> +1 It's good that we formalize this. > > > > > > > >>>>>>>>>>>>>> > > > > > > > >>>>>>>>>>>>>> On 13.08.19 10:41, Fabian Hueske wrote: > > > > > > > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> +1 for the proposed bylaws. > > > > > > > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Thanks for pushing this Becket! > > > > > > > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> > > > > > > > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Cheers, Fabian > > > > > > > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> > > > > > > > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Am Mo., 12. Aug. 2019 um 16:31 Uhr schrieb > Robert > > > > > > > >>> Metzger > > > > > > > >>>> < > > > > > > > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> rmetz...@apache.org>: > > > > > > > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> > > > > > > > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> I changed the permissions of the page. > > > > > > > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> > > > > > > > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> On Mon, Aug 12, 2019 at 4:21 PM Till Rohrmann > < > > > > > > > >>>>>>>>>>>> trohrm...@apache.org> > > > > > > > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> wrote: > > > > > > > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> > > > > > > > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> +1 for the proposal. Thanks a lot for driving > > > this > > > > > > > >>>>>> discussion > > > > > > > >>>>>>>>>>>>> Becket! > > > > > > > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Cheers, > > > > > > > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Till > > > > > > > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> > > > > > > > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> On Mon, Aug 12, 2019 at 3:02 PM Becket Qin < > > > > > > > >>>>>>>>>>> becket....@gmail.com> > > > > > > > >>>>>>>>>>>>>> wrote: > > > > > > > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Hi Robert, > > > > > > > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> > > > > > > > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> That's a good suggestion. Will you help to > > > change > > > > > > > >> the > > > > > > > >>>>>>>>>>> permission > > > > > > > >>>>>>>>>>>> on > > > > > > > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> that > > > > > > > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> page? > > > > > > > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> > > > > > > > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Thanks, > > > > > > > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> > > > > > > > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Jiangjie (Becket) Qin > > > > > > > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> > > > > > > > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> On Mon, Aug 12, 2019 at 2:41 PM Robert > > Metzger < > > > > > > > >>>>>>>>>>>>> rmetz...@apache.org> > > > > > > > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> wrote: > > > > > > > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> > > > > > > > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Thanks for starting the vote. > > > > > > > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> How about putting a specific version in the > > > wiki > > > > > > > >> up > > > > > > > >>>> for > > > > > > > >>>>>>>>>>> voting, > > > > > > > >>>>>>>>>>>> or > > > > > > > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> restricting edit access to the page to the > > PMC? > > > > > > > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> There were already two changes (very minor) > > to > > > > the > > > > > > > >>>> page > > > > > > > >>>>>>> since > > > > > > > >>>>>>>>>>>> the > > > > > > > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> vote > > > > > > > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> has > > > > > > > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> started: > > > > > > > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> > > > > > > > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > https://cwiki.apache.org/confluence/pages/viewpreviousversions.action?pageId=120731026 > > > > > > > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> I suggest to restrict edit access to the > > page. > > > > > > > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> > > > > > > > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> > > > > > > > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> > > > > > > > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> On Mon, Aug 12, 2019 at 11:43 AM Timo > > Walther < > > > > > > > >>>>>>>>>>>> twal...@apache.org > > > > > > > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> wrote: > > > > > > > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> +1 > > > > > > > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> > > > > > > > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Thanks for all the efforts you put into > this > > > for > > > > > > > >>>>>>> documenting > > > > > > > >>>>>>>>>>>> how > > > > > > > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> the > > > > > > > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> project operates. > > > > > > > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> > > > > > > > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Regards, > > > > > > > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Timo > > > > > > > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> > > > > > > > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Am 12.08.19 um 10:44 schrieb Aljoscha > > Krettek: > > > > > > > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> +1 > > > > > > > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> > > > > > > > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> On 11. Aug 2019, at 10:07, Becket Qin < > > > > > > > >>>>>>>>>>> becket....@gmail.com> > > > > > > > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> wrote: > > > > > > > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Hi all, > > > > > > > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> > > > > > > > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> I would like to start a voting thread on > > the > > > > > > > >>>> project > > > > > > > >>>>>>> bylaws > > > > > > > >>>>>>>>>>>> of > > > > > > > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Flink. > > > > > > > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> It > > > > > > > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> aims to help the community coordinate > more > > > > > > > >>>> smoothly. > > > > > > > >>>>>>> Please > > > > > > > >>>>>>>>>>>> see > > > > > > > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> the > > > > > > > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> bylaws > > > > > > > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> wiki page below for details. > > > > > > > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> > > > > > > > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > https://cwiki.apache.org/confluence/pages/viewpage.action?pageId=120731026 > > > > > > > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> The discussion thread is following: > > > > > > > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> > > > > > > > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > http://apache-flink-mailing-list-archive.1008284.n3.nabble.com/DISCUSS-Flink-project-bylaws-td30409.html > > > > > > > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> The vote will be open for at least 6 > days. > > > PMC > > > > > > > >>>>> members' > > > > > > > >>>>>>>>>>> votes > > > > > > > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> are > > > > > > > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> considered as binding. The vote requires > > 2/3 > > > > > > > >>>> majority > > > > > > > >>>>>> of > > > > > > > >>>>>>>>>>> the > > > > > > > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> binding > > > > > > > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> +1s to > > > > > > > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> pass. > > > > > > > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> > > > > > > > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Thanks, > > > > > > > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> > > > > > > > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Jiangjie (Becket) Qin > > > > > > > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> > > > > > > > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> > > > > > > > >>>>>>>>>>>>>> > > > > > > > >>>>>>>>> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >
