+1 On Thu, Aug 22, 2019 at 5:29 PM jincheng sun <sunjincheng...@gmail.com> wrote:
> +1 > > Becket Qin <becket....@gmail.com>于2019年8月22日 周四16:22写道： > > > Hi All, so far the votes count as following: > > > > +1 (Binding): 13 (Aljoscha, Fabian, Kurt, Till, Timo, Max, Stephan, > > Gordon, Robert, Ufuk, Chesnay, Shaoxuan, Henry) > > +0 (Binding): 1 (Thomas) > > > > +1 (Non-Binding): 10 (Hequn, Vino, Piotr, Dawid, Xintong, Yu, Jingsong, > > Yun, Jark, Biao) > > > > Given that more than 6 days have passed and there are not sufficient +1s > > to pass the vote. I am reaching out the the binding voters that have not > > voted yet here. > > > > > > @Greg, @Gyula, @Kostas, @Alan, @jincheng, @Marton, @Sebastian, > @Vasiliki, @Daniel > > > > Would you have time to check the Flink bylaws proposal and vote on it? > The > > bylaws wiki is following: > > > https://cwiki.apache.org/confluence/pages/viewpage.action?pageId=120731026 > > > > We are following the 2/3 majority voting process. This is the first > > attempt of reaching out to the PMCs that have not voted yet. We will make > > another attempt after 7 days if the result of the vote is still not > > determined by then. > > > > Also CCing private@ in case one did not setup the Apache email > forwarding. > > > > Thanks, > > > > Jiangjie (Becket) Qin > > > > > > > > On Thu, Aug 22, 2019 at 8:03 AM Henry Saputra <henry.sapu...@gmail.com> > > wrote: > > > >> Oh yeah, +1 LGTM > >> > >> Thanks for working on this. > >> > >> - Henry > >> > >> On Tue, Aug 20, 2019 at 2:17 AM Becket Qin <becket....@gmail.com> > wrote: > >> > >> > Thanks for sharing your thoughts, Thomas, Henry and Stephan. I also > >> think > >> > the committers are supposed to be mature enough to know when a review > on > >> > their own patch is needed. > >> > > >> > @Henry, just want to confirm, are you +1 on the proposed bylaws? > >> > > >> > Thanks, > >> > > >> > Jiangjie (Becket) Qin > >> > > >> > On Tue, Aug 20, 2019 at 10:54 AM Stephan Ewen <se...@apache.org> > wrote: > >> > > >> > > I see it somewhat similar to Henry. > >> > > > >> > > Generally, all committers should go for a review by another > committer, > >> > > unless it is a trivial comment or style fix. I personally do that, > >> even > >> > > though being one of the committers that have been with the project > >> > longest. > >> > > > >> > > For now, I was hoping though that we have a mature enough community > >> that > >> > > this "soft rule" is enough. Whenever possible, working based on > trust > >> > with > >> > > soft processes beats working with hard processes. We can still > revisit > >> > this > >> > > in case we see that it does not work out. > >> > > > >> > > > >> > > On Mon, Aug 19, 2019 at 10:21 PM Henry Saputra < > >> henry.sapu...@gmail.com> > >> > > wrote: > >> > > > >> > > > One of the perks of being committers is be able to commit code > >> without > >> > > > asking from another committer. Having said that, I think we rely > on > >> > > > maturity of the committers to know when to ask for reviews and > when > >> to > >> > > > commit directly. > >> > > > > >> > > > For example, if someone just change typos on comments or simple > >> rename > >> > of > >> > > > internal variables, I think we could trust the committer to safely > >> > commit > >> > > > the changes. When the changes will have effect of changing or > >> introduce > >> > > new > >> > > > flows of the code, that's when reviews are needed and strongly > >> > > encouraged. > >> > > > I think the balance is needed for this. > >> > > > > >> > > > PMCs have the ability and right to revert changes in source repo > as > >> > > > necessary. > >> > > > > >> > > > - Henry > >> > > > > >> > > > On Sun, Aug 18, 2019 at 9:23 PM Thomas Weise <t...@apache.org> > >> wrote: > >> > > > > >> > > > > +0 (binding) > >> > > > > > >> > > > > I don't think committers should be allowed to approve their own > >> > > changes. > >> > > > I > >> > > > > would prefer if non-committer contributors can approve committer > >> PRs > >> > as > >> > > > > that would encourage more participation in code review and > >> ability to > >> > > > > contribute. > >> > > > > > >> > > > > > >> > > > > On Fri, Aug 16, 2019 at 9:02 PM Shaoxuan Wang < > >> wshaox...@gmail.com> > >> > > > wrote: > >> > > > > > >> > > > > > +1 (binding) > >> > > > > > > >> > > > > > On Fri, Aug 16, 2019 at 7:48 PM Chesnay Schepler < > >> > ches...@apache.org > >> > > > > >> > > > > > wrote: > >> > > > > > > >> > > > > > > +1 (binding) > >> > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > Although I think it would be a good idea to always cc > >> > > > > > > priv...@flink.apache.org when modifying bylaws, if anything > >> to > >> > > speed > >> > > > > up > >> > > > > > > the voting process. > >> > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > On 16/08/2019 11:26, Ufuk Celebi wrote: > >> > > > > > > > +1 (binding) > >> > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > – Ufuk > >> > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > On Wed, Aug 14, 2019 at 4:50 AM Biao Liu < > >> mmyy1...@gmail.com> > >> > > > wrote: > >> > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > >> +1 (non-binding) > >> > > > > > > >> > >> > > > > > > >> Thanks for pushing this! > >> > > > > > > >> > >> > > > > > > >> Thanks, > >> > > > > > > >> Biao /'bɪ.aʊ/ > >> > > > > > > >> > >> > > > > > > >> > >> > > > > > > >> > >> > > > > > > >> On Wed, 14 Aug 2019 at 09:37, Jark Wu <imj...@gmail.com> > >> > wrote: > >> > > > > > > >> > >> > > > > > > >>> +1 (non-binding) > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> > > > > > > >>> Best, > >> > > > > > > >>> Jark > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> > > > > > > >>> On Wed, 14 Aug 2019 at 09:22, Kurt Young < > >> ykt...@gmail.com> > >> > > > wrote: > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> > > > > > > >>>> +1 (binding) > >> > > > > > > >>>> > >> > > > > > > >>>> Best, > >> > > > > > > >>>> Kurt > >> > > > > > > >>>> > >> > > > > > > >>>> > >> > > > > > > >>>> On Wed, Aug 14, 2019 at 1:34 AM Yun Tang < > >> myas...@live.com> > >> > > > > wrote: > >> > > > > > > >>>> > >> > > > > > > >>>>> +1 (non-binding) > >> > > > > > > >>>>> > >> > > > > > > >>>>> But I have a minor question about "code change" > action, > >> for > >> > > > those > >> > > > > > > >>>>> "[hotfix]" github pull requests [1], the dev mailing > >> list > >> > > would > >> > > > > not > >> > > > > > > >> be > >> > > > > > > >>>>> notified currently. I think we should change the > >> > description > >> > > of > >> > > > > > this > >> > > > > > > >>>> action. > >> > > > > > > >>>>> > >> > > > > > > >>>>> [1] > >> > > > > > > >>>>> > >> > > > > > > >> > >> > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > >> > > > > > >> > > > > >> > > > >> > > >> > https://flink.apache.org/contributing/contribute-code.html#code-contribution-process > >> > > > > > > >>>>> Best > >> > > > > > > >>>>> Yun Tang > >> > > > > > > >>>>> ________________________________ > >> > > > > > > >>>>> From: JingsongLee <lzljs3620...@aliyun.com.INVALID> > >> > > > > > > >>>>> Sent: Tuesday, August 13, 2019 23:56 > >> > > > > > > >>>>> To: dev <dev@flink.apache.org> > >> > > > > > > >>>>> Subject: Re: [VOTE] Flink Project Bylaws > >> > > > > > > >>>>> > >> > > > > > > >>>>> +1 (non-binding) > >> > > > > > > >>>>> Thanks Becket. > >> > > > > > > >>>>> I've learned a lot from current bylaws. > >> > > > > > > >>>>> > >> > > > > > > >>>>> Best, > >> > > > > > > >>>>> Jingsong Lee > >> > > > > > > >>>>> > >> > > > > > > >>>>> > >> > > > > > > >>>>> > >> > > > > > ------------------------------------------------------------------ > >> > > > > > > >>>>> From:Yu Li <car...@gmail.com> > >> > > > > > > >>>>> Send Time:2019年8月13日(星期二) 17:48 > >> > > > > > > >>>>> To:dev <dev@flink.apache.org> > >> > > > > > > >>>>> Subject:Re: [VOTE] Flink Project Bylaws > >> > > > > > > >>>>> > >> > > > > > > >>>>> +1 (non-binding) > >> > > > > > > >>>>> > >> > > > > > > >>>>> Thanks for the efforts Becket! > >> > > > > > > >>>>> > >> > > > > > > >>>>> Best Regards, > >> > > > > > > >>>>> Yu > >> > > > > > > >>>>> > >> > > > > > > >>>>> > >> > > > > > > >>>>> On Tue, 13 Aug 2019 at 16:09, Xintong Song < > >> > > > > tonysong...@gmail.com> > >> > > > > > > >>>> wrote: > >> > > > > > > >>>>>> +1 (non-binding) > >> > > > > > > >>>>>> > >> > > > > > > >>>>>> Thank you~ > >> > > > > > > >>>>>> > >> > > > > > > >>>>>> Xintong Song > >> > > > > > > >>>>>> > >> > > > > > > >>>>>> > >> > > > > > > >>>>>> > >> > > > > > > >>>>>> On Tue, Aug 13, 2019 at 1:48 PM Robert Metzger < > >> > > > > > > >> rmetz...@apache.org> > >> > > > > > > >>>>>> wrote: > >> > > > > > > >>>>>> > >> > > > > > > >>>>>>> +1 (binding) > >> > > > > > > >>>>>>> > >> > > > > > > >>>>>>> On Tue, Aug 13, 2019 at 1:47 PM Becket Qin < > >> > > > > becket....@gmail.com > >> > > > > > > >>>>> wrote: > >> > > > > > > >>>>>>>> Thanks everyone for voting. > >> > > > > > > >>>>>>>> > >> > > > > > > >>>>>>>> For those who have already voted, just want to > bring > >> > this > >> > > up > >> > > > > to > >> > > > > > > >>>> your > >> > > > > > > >>>>>>>> attention that there is a minor clarification to > the > >> > > bylaws > >> > > > > > > >> wiki > >> > > > > > > >>>> this > >> > > > > > > >>>>>>>> morning. The change is in bold format below: > >> > > > > > > >>>>>>>> > >> > > > > > > >>>>>>>> one +1 from a committer followed by a Lazy approval > >> (not > >> > > > > > > >> counting > >> > > > > > > >>>> the > >> > > > > > > >>>>>>> vote > >> > > > > > > >>>>>>>>> of the contributor), moving to lazy majority if a > >> -1 is > >> > > > > > > >>> received. > >> > > > > > > >>>>>>>> > >> > > > > > > >>>>>>>> Note that this implies that committers can +1 their > >> own > >> > > > > commits > >> > > > > > > >>> and > >> > > > > > > >>>>>> merge > >> > > > > > > >>>>>>>>> right away. *However, the committe**rs should use > >> their > >> > > > best > >> > > > > > > >>>>>> judgement > >> > > > > > > >>>>>>> to > >> > > > > > > >>>>>>>>> respect the components expertise and ongoing > >> > development > >> > > > > > > >> plan.* > >> > > > > > > >>>>>>>> > >> > > > > > > >>>>>>>> This addition does not really change anything the > >> bylaws > >> > > > meant > >> > > > > > > >> to > >> > > > > > > >>>>> set. > >> > > > > > > >>>>>> It > >> > > > > > > >>>>>>>> is simply a clarification. If anyone who have > casted > >> the > >> > > > vote > >> > > > > > > >>>>> objects, > >> > > > > > > >>>>>>>> please feel free to withdraw the vote. > >> > > > > > > >>>>>>>> > >> > > > > > > >>>>>>>> Thanks, > >> > > > > > > >>>>>>>> > >> > > > > > > >>>>>>>> Jiangjie (Becket) Qin > >> > > > > > > >>>>>>>> > >> > > > > > > >>>>>>>> > >> > > > > > > >>>>>>>> On Tue, Aug 13, 2019 at 1:29 PM Piotr Nowojski < > >> > > > > > > >>>> pi...@ververica.com> > >> > > > > > > >>>>>>>> wrote: > >> > > > > > > >>>>>>>> > >> > > > > > > >>>>>>>>> +1 > >> > > > > > > >>>>>>>>> > >> > > > > > > >>>>>>>>>> On 13 Aug 2019, at 13:22, vino yang < > >> > > > yanghua1...@gmail.com > >> > > > > > > >>>>> wrote: > >> > > > > > > >>>>>>>>>> +1 > >> > > > > > > >>>>>>>>>> > >> > > > > > > >>>>>>>>>> Tzu-Li (Gordon) Tai <tzuli...@apache.org> > >> > 于2019年8月13日周二 > >> > > > > > > >>>>> 下午6:32写道： > >> > > > > > > >>>>>>>>>>> +1 > >> > > > > > > >>>>>>>>>>> > >> > > > > > > >>>>>>>>>>> On Tue, Aug 13, 2019, 12:31 PM Hequn Cheng < > >> > > > > > > >>>>> chenghe...@gmail.com> > >> > > > > > > >>>>>>>>> wrote: > >> > > > > > > >>>>>>>>>>>> +1 (non-binding) > >> > > > > > > >>>>>>>>>>>> > >> > > > > > > >>>>>>>>>>>> Thanks a lot for driving this! Good job. > @Becket > >> > Qin < > >> > > > > > > >>>>>>>>>>> becket....@gmail.com > >> > > > > > > >>>>>>>>>>>> Best, Hequn > >> > > > > > > >>>>>>>>>>>> > >> > > > > > > >>>>>>>>>>>> On Tue, Aug 13, 2019 at 6:26 PM Stephan Ewen < > >> > > > > > > >>>> se...@apache.org > >> > > > > > > >>>>>>>> wrote: > >> > > > > > > >>>>>>>>>>>>> +1 > >> > > > > > > >>>>>>>>>>>>> > >> > > > > > > >>>>>>>>>>>>> On Tue, Aug 13, 2019 at 12:22 PM Maximilian > >> > Michels < > >> > > > > > > >>>>>>> m...@apache.org > >> > > > > > > >>>>>>>>>>>>> wrote: > >> > > > > > > >>>>>>>>>>>>> > >> > > > > > > >>>>>>>>>>>>>> +1 It's good that we formalize this. > >> > > > > > > >>>>>>>>>>>>>> > >> > > > > > > >>>>>>>>>>>>>> On 13.08.19 10:41, Fabian Hueske wrote: > >> > > > > > > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> +1 for the proposed bylaws. > >> > > > > > > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Thanks for pushing this Becket! > >> > > > > > > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> > >> > > > > > > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Cheers, Fabian > >> > > > > > > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> > >> > > > > > > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Am Mo., 12. Aug. 2019 um 16:31 Uhr schrieb > >> Robert > >> > > > > > > >>> Metzger > >> > > > > > > >>>> < > >> > > > > > > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> rmetz...@apache.org>: > >> > > > > > > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> > >> > > > > > > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> I changed the permissions of the page. > >> > > > > > > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> > >> > > > > > > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> On Mon, Aug 12, 2019 at 4:21 PM Till > >> Rohrmann < > >> > > > > > > >>>>>>>>>>>> trohrm...@apache.org> > >> > > > > > > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> wrote: > >> > > > > > > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> > >> > > > > > > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> +1 for the proposal. Thanks a lot for > >> driving > >> > > this > >> > > > > > > >>>>>> discussion > >> > > > > > > >>>>>>>>>>>>> Becket! > >> > > > > > > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Cheers, > >> > > > > > > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Till > >> > > > > > > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> > >> > > > > > > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> On Mon, Aug 12, 2019 at 3:02 PM Becket > Qin < > >> > > > > > > >>>>>>>>>>> becket....@gmail.com> > >> > > > > > > >>>>>>>>>>>>>> wrote: > >> > > > > > > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Hi Robert, > >> > > > > > > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> > >> > > > > > > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> That's a good suggestion. Will you help > to > >> > > change > >> > > > > > > >> the > >> > > > > > > >>>>>>>>>>> permission > >> > > > > > > >>>>>>>>>>>> on > >> > > > > > > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> that > >> > > > > > > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> page? > >> > > > > > > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> > >> > > > > > > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Thanks, > >> > > > > > > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> > >> > > > > > > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Jiangjie (Becket) Qin > >> > > > > > > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> > >> > > > > > > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> On Mon, Aug 12, 2019 at 2:41 PM Robert > >> > Metzger < > >> > > > > > > >>>>>>>>>>>>> rmetz...@apache.org> > >> > > > > > > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> wrote: > >> > > > > > > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> > >> > > > > > > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Thanks for starting the vote. > >> > > > > > > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> How about putting a specific version in > >> the > >> > > wiki > >> > > > > > > >> up > >> > > > > > > >>>> for > >> > > > > > > >>>>>>>>>>> voting, > >> > > > > > > >>>>>>>>>>>> or > >> > > > > > > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> restricting edit access to the page to > the > >> > PMC? > >> > > > > > > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> There were already two changes (very > >> minor) > >> > to > >> > > > the > >> > > > > > > >>>> page > >> > > > > > > >>>>>>> since > >> > > > > > > >>>>>>>>>>>> the > >> > > > > > > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> vote > >> > > > > > > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> has > >> > > > > > > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> started: > >> > > > > > > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> > >> > > > > > > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> > >> > > > > > > >> > >> > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > >> > > > > > >> > > > > >> > > > >> > > >> > https://cwiki.apache.org/confluence/pages/viewpreviousversions.action?pageId=120731026 > >> > > > > > > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> I suggest to restrict edit access to the > >> > page. > >> > > > > > > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> > >> > > > > > > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> > >> > > > > > > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> > >> > > > > > > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> On Mon, Aug 12, 2019 at 11:43 AM Timo > >> > Walther < > >> > > > > > > >>>>>>>>>>>> twal...@apache.org > >> > > > > > > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> wrote: > >> > > > > > > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> +1 > >> > > > > > > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> > >> > > > > > > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Thanks for all the efforts you put into > >> this > >> > > for > >> > > > > > > >>>>>>> documenting > >> > > > > > > >>>>>>>>>>>> how > >> > > > > > > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> the > >> > > > > > > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> project operates. > >> > > > > > > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> > >> > > > > > > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Regards, > >> > > > > > > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Timo > >> > > > > > > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> > >> > > > > > > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Am 12.08.19 um 10:44 schrieb Aljoscha > >> > Krettek: > >> > > > > > > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> +1 > >> > > > > > > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> > >> > > > > > > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> On 11. Aug 2019, at 10:07, Becket > Qin < > >> > > > > > > >>>>>>>>>>> becket....@gmail.com> > >> > > > > > > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> wrote: > >> > > > > > > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Hi all, > >> > > > > > > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> > >> > > > > > > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> I would like to start a voting thread > >> on > >> > the > >> > > > > > > >>>> project > >> > > > > > > >>>>>>> bylaws > >> > > > > > > >>>>>>>>>>>> of > >> > > > > > > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Flink. > >> > > > > > > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> It > >> > > > > > > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> aims to help the community coordinate > >> more > >> > > > > > > >>>> smoothly. > >> > > > > > > >>>>>>> Please > >> > > > > > > >>>>>>>>>>>> see > >> > > > > > > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> the > >> > > > > > > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> bylaws > >> > > > > > > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> wiki page below for details. > >> > > > > > > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> > >> > > > > > > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> > >> > > > > > > >> > >> > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > >> > > > > > >> > > > > >> > > > >> > > >> > https://cwiki.apache.org/confluence/pages/viewpage.action?pageId=120731026 > >> > > > > > > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> The discussion thread is following: > >> > > > > > > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> > >> > > > > > > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> > >> > > > > > > >> > >> > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > >> > > > > > >> > > > > >> > > > >> > > >> > http://apache-flink-mailing-list-archive.1008284.n3.nabble.com/DISCUSS-Flink-project-bylaws-td30409.html > >> > > > > > > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> The vote will be open for at least 6 > >> days. > >> > > PMC > >> > > > > > > >>>>> members' > >> > > > > > > >>>>>>>>>>> votes > >> > > > > > > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> are > >> > > > > > > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> considered as binding. The vote > >> requires > >> > 2/3 > >> > > > > > > >>>> majority > >> > > > > > > >>>>>> of > >> > > > > > > >>>>>>>>>>> the > >> > > > > > > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> binding > >> > > > > > > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> +1s to > >> > > > > > > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> pass. > >> > > > > > > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> > >> > > > > > > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Thanks, > >> > > > > > > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> > >> > > > > > > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Jiangjie (Becket) Qin > >> > > > > > > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> > >> > > > > > > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> > >> > > > > > > >>>>>>>>>>>>>> > >> > > > > > > >>>>>>>>> > >> > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > >> > > > > > >> > > > > >> > > > >> > > >> > > >
