Well, you can't get pizza that is decent in the US anyways, :P

On Feb 2, 2011, at 8:28 PM, Jeff Genender wrote:

> -1... what is reputable?  Who decides who is "reputable"?  Am I reputable?
> 
> Apache is not about tooting your own horn.  Go back to your respective 
> company and have them purchase press releases and advertise on their sites.  
> Apache is not a locale for horn tooting.
> 
> Jeff
> 
> On Feb 2, 2011, at 7:23 PM, Glen Mazza wrote:
> 
>> Unless it is blatant lies (i.e., non-reputable companies), I say let the 
>> companies do a little bit of advertising on the Support page, even if they 
>> contradict each other or embellish a bit.  We want users to choose support, 
>> because it results in more hired people working on the projects.  Let the 
>> support page be the "toot your own horn" page and instead enforce 
>> non-advertising throughout the rest of the manual, where everything does 
>> need to be strictly factual.
>> 
>> Keeping a loose leash on the Support page also helps minimize strife between 
>> teams.
>> 
>> In Manhattan there might be 300 places to buy pizza, about 75 of which claim 
>> to be "New York's Best Pizza!"  That's just advertising, it doesn't need to 
>> be taken seriously.
>> 
>> Glen
>> 
>> 
>> On 02.02.2011 20:50, Daniel Kulp wrote:
>>> Someone is paying attention... cool.  :-)
>>> 
>>> On Wednesday 02 February 2011 8:27:38 pm Benson Margulies wrote:
>>>> Do we need to have these dueling claims for who employs how many
>>>> committers / PMC members? Could we persuade both Talend and FUSE to
>>>> just say 'committers, get your red hot committers!'
>>> I'm in the process of cleaning things up a bit.   I've been chatting with
>>> various people on the trademark committee as well as others and one 
>>> "concern"
>>> that has been expressed with some projects is project sites being used as
>>> marketing vehicles for specific commercial offerings and products.     The
>>> guideline I got was:
>>> 
>>> --------------------
>>> PMCs can choose to have "these companies support our product" pages if
>>> they want.  But they have to be factual, non-advertisements; should be
>>> in specific places on the project's site; and must not be exclusive
>>> (i.e. any other reputable company needs to be able to request to add
>>> links as well).
>>> --------------------
>>> 
>>> Step one was just to copy the information and localize it all to a specific
>>> page.     Step two is the "factual, non-advertisement" part.
>>> 
>>> 
>>> Dan
>>> 
>>> 
>>>> On Wed, Feb 2, 2011 at 8:23 PM,<conflue...@apache.org>  wrote:
>>>>> Commercial CXF Offerings
>>>>> 
>>>>> Page added by Daniel Kulp
>>>>> 
>>>>> Commercial CXF Offerings
>>>>> 
>>>>> Apache CXF is a widely used project. As such several companies have build
>>>>> products and services around CXF. This page is dedicated to providing
>>>>> descriptions of those offerings. Companies are definitely encouraged to
>>>>> update this page directly or send a mail to the CXF PMC with a
>>>>> description of your offerings and we can update the page. The products
>>>>> and services listed on this page are provided for information use only
>>>>> to our users. The CXF PMC does not endorse or recommend any of the
>>>>> products or services on this page.
>>>>> 
>>>>> FuseSource
>>>>> 
>>>>> FuseSource offers enterprise subscriptions that include Enterprise
>>>>> Developer and Production Support on ActiveMQ, Camel, CXF and ServiceMix
>>>>> - including Training, Consulting&  Mentoring. They also employ most of
>>>>> the core committers on the projects to ensure you get the best possible
>>>>> answers to all your support needs and your bugs fixed fast.
>>>>> 
>>>>> MuleSoft
>>>>> 
>>>>> MuleSoft provides support for Apache CXF as a part of its Mule enterprise
>>>>> subscription offering. Mule is a popular open source ESB and integration
>>>>> platform, with support for SOAP web services, as well as REST, JMS, File
>>>>> and over 100+ additional transports.
>>>>> 
>>>>> Sosnoski Software Associates Ltd
>>>>> 
>>>>> Sosnoski Software Associates Ltd provides training and support for CXF,
>>>>> along with training and support for web services security and SOA based
>>>>> on CXF.
>>>>> 
>>>>> Talend
>>>>> 
>>>>> Talend provides enterprise level services and support for Apache CXF and
>>>>> their Talend Service Factory product which is a repackaging of CXF
>>>>> including a full, pre-configured OSGi runtime container. Talend also has
>>>>> a package of examples that demonstrate many of CXF's advanced features
>>>>> including JAX-RS use cases, OSGi deployments, Security, etc... Talend
>>>>> also employs the leading CXF committers that are experts in all areas of
>>>>> CXF including JAX-RS, JAX-WS, WS-Security, etc... to make sure any bugs
>>>>> and issues can be resolved quickly and accurately.
>>>>> 
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>> 
>> -- 
>> Glen Mazza
>> Software Engineer, Talend (http://www.talend.com)
>> blog: http://www.jroller.com/gmazza
>> 
>> 
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