-1... what is reputable?  Who decides who is "reputable"?  Am I reputable?

Apache is not about tooting your own horn.  Go back to your respective company 
and have them purchase press releases and advertise on their sites.  Apache is 
not a locale for horn tooting.

Jeff

On Feb 2, 2011, at 7:23 PM, Glen Mazza wrote:

> Unless it is blatant lies (i.e., non-reputable companies), I say let the 
> companies do a little bit of advertising on the Support page, even if they 
> contradict each other or embellish a bit.  We want users to choose support, 
> because it results in more hired people working on the projects.  Let the 
> support page be the "toot your own horn" page and instead enforce 
> non-advertising throughout the rest of the manual, where everything does need 
> to be strictly factual.
> 
> Keeping a loose leash on the Support page also helps minimize strife between 
> teams.
> 
> In Manhattan there might be 300 places to buy pizza, about 75 of which claim 
> to be "New York's Best Pizza!"  That's just advertising, it doesn't need to 
> be taken seriously.
> 
> Glen
> 
> 
> On 02.02.2011 20:50, Daniel Kulp wrote:
>> Someone is paying attention... cool.  :-)
>> 
>> On Wednesday 02 February 2011 8:27:38 pm Benson Margulies wrote:
>>> Do we need to have these dueling claims for who employs how many
>>> committers / PMC members? Could we persuade both Talend and FUSE to
>>> just say 'committers, get your red hot committers!'
>> I'm in the process of cleaning things up a bit.   I've been chatting with
>> various people on the trademark committee as well as others and one "concern"
>> that has been expressed with some projects is project sites being used as
>> marketing vehicles for specific commercial offerings and products.     The
>> guideline I got was:
>> 
>> --------------------
>> PMCs can choose to have "these companies support our product" pages if
>> they want.  But they have to be factual, non-advertisements; should be
>> in specific places on the project's site; and must not be exclusive
>> (i.e. any other reputable company needs to be able to request to add
>> links as well).
>> --------------------
>> 
>> Step one was just to copy the information and localize it all to a specific
>> page.     Step two is the "factual, non-advertisement" part.
>> 
>> 
>> Dan
>> 
>> 
>>> On Wed, Feb 2, 2011 at 8:23 PM,<conflue...@apache.org>  wrote:
>>>> Commercial CXF Offerings
>>>> 
>>>> Page added by Daniel Kulp
>>>> 
>>>> Commercial CXF Offerings
>>>> 
>>>> Apache CXF is a widely used project. As such several companies have build
>>>> products and services around CXF. This page is dedicated to providing
>>>> descriptions of those offerings. Companies are definitely encouraged to
>>>> update this page directly or send a mail to the CXF PMC with a
>>>> description of your offerings and we can update the page. The products
>>>> and services listed on this page are provided for information use only
>>>> to our users. The CXF PMC does not endorse or recommend any of the
>>>> products or services on this page.
>>>> 
>>>> FuseSource
>>>> 
>>>> FuseSource offers enterprise subscriptions that include Enterprise
>>>> Developer and Production Support on ActiveMQ, Camel, CXF and ServiceMix
>>>> - including Training, Consulting&  Mentoring. They also employ most of
>>>> the core committers on the projects to ensure you get the best possible
>>>> answers to all your support needs and your bugs fixed fast.
>>>> 
>>>> MuleSoft
>>>> 
>>>> MuleSoft provides support for Apache CXF as a part of its Mule enterprise
>>>> subscription offering. Mule is a popular open source ESB and integration
>>>> platform, with support for SOAP web services, as well as REST, JMS, File
>>>> and over 100+ additional transports.
>>>> 
>>>> Sosnoski Software Associates Ltd
>>>> 
>>>> Sosnoski Software Associates Ltd provides training and support for CXF,
>>>> along with training and support for web services security and SOA based
>>>> on CXF.
>>>> 
>>>> Talend
>>>> 
>>>> Talend provides enterprise level services and support for Apache CXF and
>>>> their Talend Service Factory product which is a repackaging of CXF
>>>> including a full, pre-configured OSGi runtime container. Talend also has
>>>> a package of examples that demonstrate many of CXF's advanced features
>>>> including JAX-RS use cases, OSGi deployments, Security, etc... Talend
>>>> also employs the leading CXF committers that are experts in all areas of
>>>> CXF including JAX-RS, JAX-WS, WS-Security, etc... to make sure any bugs
>>>> and issues can be resolved quickly and accurately.
>>>> 
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> 
> -- 
> Glen Mazza
> Software Engineer, Talend (http://www.talend.com)
> blog: http://www.jroller.com/gmazza
> 
> 

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