ORLY? For the record: http://www.brewdog.com/sink_the_bismark
41% baby!!! Jeff On Feb 3, 2011, at 9:07 AM, Hadrian Zbarcea wrote: > I agree with Jeff. By stating 'a beer' and not stating the alcohol content, > you knew the readers will make wrong assumptions. > This is strikingly similar to the marketing practices on the apache site. > > (For the record, the alcohol content was much lower than some wines, not > mentioning vodka.) > > ;) > > Hadrian > > > > On Feb 3, 2011, at 10:46 AM, Jeff Genender wrote: > >> Well said, Dan. >> >> And BTW... did you tell anyone the alcohol content of that beer? ;-) Low >> blow man! ;-) >> >> Jeff >> >> >> On Feb 3, 2011, at 8:41 AM, Daniel Kulp wrote: >> >>> On Wednesday 02 February 2011 10:28:50 pm Jeff Genender wrote: >>>> -1... what is reputable? Who decides who is "reputable"? Am I reputable? >>> >>> Umm.... was that last question rhetorical? Do you really want me to >>> answer >>> that? Can you really trust someone who gets plastered on less than a >>> single >>> bottle of beer....... >>> >>> ;-) >>> >>> >>>> Apache is not about tooting your own horn. Go back to your respective >>>> company and have them purchase press releases and advertise on their >>>> sites. Apache is not a locale for horn tooting. >>> >>> Joking aside, that is the important thing to consider. Apache projects are >>> supposed to be a level playing field for everyone involved. One PMC >>> member >>> does not have any more say than another PMC member, etc.... Yes, in a >>> lot >>> of ways, "committed code rules over theoretical ideas", but in general, it >>> should be a level playing field. >>> >>> The other thing to keep in mind is the foundation IS a non-profit >>> organization >>> and MUST operate in a way the reflects that status and protects that >>> status. >>> There are legal ramifications of having anything from a non-profit to start >>> looking like a marketting vehicle for a for-profit organization. The >>> trademarks (CXF is a trademark of the foundation) and such MUST be >>> protected >>> and it's our duty as PMC members to make sure the marks are not being >>> abused >>> or miss used. >>> >>> Thus, it really is important to make sure, from a project perspective, that >>> the information on our site is purely informational, factually accurate, >>> and >>> have no appearance of favortism and such. If the landing zones at Fuse >>> and >>> Talend and others want to toot their horn and promote their projects, >>> that's >>> great. Please do so. On the Apache projects sites, that's should not be >>> tollerated. >>> >>> I have to admit, this last 6 months or so have been quite educational for >>> me >>> about things like non-profit rules, trademark law, protection requirements, >>> etc... Any of the Apache members or anyone on the Maven PMC knows more >>> about what I'm talking about, but it's definitely been interesting and >>> educational. >>> >>> Dan >>> >>> >>> >>> >>>> >>>> Jeff >>>> >>>> On Feb 2, 2011, at 7:23 PM, Glen Mazza wrote: >>>>> Unless it is blatant lies (i.e., non-reputable companies), I say let the >>>>> companies do a little bit of advertising on the Support page, even if >>>>> they contradict each other or embellish a bit. We want users to choose >>>>> support, because it results in more hired people working on the >>>>> projects. Let the support page be the "toot your own horn" page and >>>>> instead enforce non-advertising throughout the rest of the manual, where >>>>> everything does need to be strictly factual. >>>>> >>>>> Keeping a loose leash on the Support page also helps minimize strife >>>>> between teams. >>>>> >>>>> In Manhattan there might be 300 places to buy pizza, about 75 of which >>>>> claim to be "New York's Best Pizza!" That's just advertising, it >>>>> doesn't need to be taken seriously. >>>>> >>>>> Glen >>>>> >>>>> On 02.02.2011 20:50, Daniel Kulp wrote: >>>>>> Someone is paying attention... cool. :-) >>>>>> >>>>>> On Wednesday 02 February 2011 8:27:38 pm Benson Margulies wrote: >>>>>>> Do we need to have these dueling claims for who employs how many >>>>>>> committers / PMC members? Could we persuade both Talend and FUSE to >>>>>>> just say 'committers, get your red hot committers!' >>>>>> >>>>>> I'm in the process of cleaning things up a bit. I've been chatting >>>>>> with various people on the trademark committee as well as others and >>>>>> one "concern" that has been expressed with some projects is project >>>>>> sites being used as marketing vehicles for specific commercial >>>>>> offerings and products. The guideline I got was: >>>>>> >>>>>> -------------------- >>>>>> PMCs can choose to have "these companies support our product" pages if >>>>>> they want. But they have to be factual, non-advertisements; should be >>>>>> in specific places on the project's site; and must not be exclusive >>>>>> (i.e. any other reputable company needs to be able to request to add >>>>>> links as well). >>>>>> -------------------- >>>>>> >>>>>> Step one was just to copy the information and localize it all to a >>>>>> specific page. Step two is the "factual, non-advertisement" part. >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> Dan >>>>>> >>>>>>> On Wed, Feb 2, 2011 at 8:23 PM,<conflue...@apache.org> wrote: >>>>>>>> Commercial CXF Offerings >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> Page added by Daniel Kulp >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> Commercial CXF Offerings >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> Apache CXF is a widely used project. As such several companies have >>>>>>>> build products and services around CXF. This page is dedicated to >>>>>>>> providing descriptions of those offerings. Companies are definitely >>>>>>>> encouraged to update this page directly or send a mail to the CXF PMC >>>>>>>> with a description of your offerings and we can update the page. The >>>>>>>> products and services listed on this page are provided for >>>>>>>> information use only to our users. The CXF PMC does not endorse or >>>>>>>> recommend any of the products or services on this page. >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> FuseSource >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> FuseSource offers enterprise subscriptions that include Enterprise >>>>>>>> Developer and Production Support on ActiveMQ, Camel, CXF and >>>>>>>> ServiceMix - including Training, Consulting& Mentoring. They also >>>>>>>> employ most of the core committers on the projects to ensure you get >>>>>>>> the best possible answers to all your support needs and your bugs >>>>>>>> fixed fast. >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> MuleSoft >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> MuleSoft provides support for Apache CXF as a part of its Mule >>>>>>>> enterprise subscription offering. Mule is a popular open source ESB >>>>>>>> and integration platform, with support for SOAP web services, as well >>>>>>>> as REST, JMS, File and over 100+ additional transports. >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> Sosnoski Software Associates Ltd >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> Sosnoski Software Associates Ltd provides training and support for >>>>>>>> CXF, along with training and support for web services security and >>>>>>>> SOA based on CXF. >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> Talend >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> Talend provides enterprise level services and support for Apache CXF >>>>>>>> and their Talend Service Factory product which is a repackaging of >>>>>>>> CXF including a full, pre-configured OSGi runtime container. Talend >>>>>>>> also has a package of examples that demonstrate many of CXF's >>>>>>>> advanced features including JAX-RS use cases, OSGi deployments, >>>>>>>> Security, etc... Talend also employs the leading CXF committers that >>>>>>>> are experts in all areas of CXF including JAX-RS, JAX-WS, >>>>>>>> WS-Security, etc... to make sure any bugs and issues can be resolved >>>>>>>> quickly and accurately. >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> Change Notification Preferences >>>>>>>> View Online | Add Comment >>> >>> -- >>> Daniel Kulp >>> dk...@apache.org >>> http://dankulp.com/blog >> >
