Well said, Dan. And BTW... did you tell anyone the alcohol content of that beer? ;-) Low blow man! ;-)
Jeff On Feb 3, 2011, at 8:41 AM, Daniel Kulp wrote: > On Wednesday 02 February 2011 10:28:50 pm Jeff Genender wrote: >> -1... what is reputable? Who decides who is "reputable"? Am I reputable? > > Umm.... was that last question rhetorical? Do you really want me to answer > that? Can you really trust someone who gets plastered on less than a single > bottle of beer....... > > ;-) > > >> Apache is not about tooting your own horn. Go back to your respective >> company and have them purchase press releases and advertise on their >> sites. Apache is not a locale for horn tooting. > > Joking aside, that is the important thing to consider. Apache projects are > supposed to be a level playing field for everyone involved. One PMC member > does not have any more say than another PMC member, etc.... Yes, in a lot > of ways, "committed code rules over theoretical ideas", but in general, it > should be a level playing field. > > The other thing to keep in mind is the foundation IS a non-profit > organization > and MUST operate in a way the reflects that status and protects that status. > > There are legal ramifications of having anything from a non-profit to start > looking like a marketting vehicle for a for-profit organization. The > trademarks (CXF is a trademark of the foundation) and such MUST be protected > and it's our duty as PMC members to make sure the marks are not being abused > or miss used. > > Thus, it really is important to make sure, from a project perspective, that > the information on our site is purely informational, factually accurate, and > have no appearance of favortism and such. If the landing zones at Fuse and > Talend and others want to toot their horn and promote their projects, that's > great. Please do so. On the Apache projects sites, that's should not be > tollerated. > > I have to admit, this last 6 months or so have been quite educational for me > about things like non-profit rules, trademark law, protection requirements, > etc... Any of the Apache members or anyone on the Maven PMC knows more > about what I'm talking about, but it's definitely been interesting and > educational. > > Dan > > > > >> >> Jeff >> >> On Feb 2, 2011, at 7:23 PM, Glen Mazza wrote: >>> Unless it is blatant lies (i.e., non-reputable companies), I say let the >>> companies do a little bit of advertising on the Support page, even if >>> they contradict each other or embellish a bit. We want users to choose >>> support, because it results in more hired people working on the >>> projects. Let the support page be the "toot your own horn" page and >>> instead enforce non-advertising throughout the rest of the manual, where >>> everything does need to be strictly factual. >>> >>> Keeping a loose leash on the Support page also helps minimize strife >>> between teams. >>> >>> In Manhattan there might be 300 places to buy pizza, about 75 of which >>> claim to be "New York's Best Pizza!" That's just advertising, it >>> doesn't need to be taken seriously. >>> >>> Glen >>> >>> On 02.02.2011 20:50, Daniel Kulp wrote: >>>> Someone is paying attention... cool. :-) >>>> >>>> On Wednesday 02 February 2011 8:27:38 pm Benson Margulies wrote: >>>>> Do we need to have these dueling claims for who employs how many >>>>> committers / PMC members? Could we persuade both Talend and FUSE to >>>>> just say 'committers, get your red hot committers!' >>>> >>>> I'm in the process of cleaning things up a bit. I've been chatting >>>> with various people on the trademark committee as well as others and >>>> one "concern" that has been expressed with some projects is project >>>> sites being used as marketing vehicles for specific commercial >>>> offerings and products. The guideline I got was: >>>> >>>> -------------------- >>>> PMCs can choose to have "these companies support our product" pages if >>>> they want. But they have to be factual, non-advertisements; should be >>>> in specific places on the project's site; and must not be exclusive >>>> (i.e. any other reputable company needs to be able to request to add >>>> links as well). >>>> -------------------- >>>> >>>> Step one was just to copy the information and localize it all to a >>>> specific page. Step two is the "factual, non-advertisement" part. >>>> >>>> >>>> Dan >>>> >>>>> On Wed, Feb 2, 2011 at 8:23 PM,<conflue...@apache.org> wrote: >>>>>> Commercial CXF Offerings >>>>>> >>>>>> Page added by Daniel Kulp >>>>>> >>>>>> Commercial CXF Offerings >>>>>> >>>>>> Apache CXF is a widely used project. As such several companies have >>>>>> build products and services around CXF. This page is dedicated to >>>>>> providing descriptions of those offerings. Companies are definitely >>>>>> encouraged to update this page directly or send a mail to the CXF PMC >>>>>> with a description of your offerings and we can update the page. The >>>>>> products and services listed on this page are provided for >>>>>> information use only to our users. The CXF PMC does not endorse or >>>>>> recommend any of the products or services on this page. >>>>>> >>>>>> FuseSource >>>>>> >>>>>> FuseSource offers enterprise subscriptions that include Enterprise >>>>>> Developer and Production Support on ActiveMQ, Camel, CXF and >>>>>> ServiceMix - including Training, Consulting& Mentoring. They also >>>>>> employ most of the core committers on the projects to ensure you get >>>>>> the best possible answers to all your support needs and your bugs >>>>>> fixed fast. >>>>>> >>>>>> MuleSoft >>>>>> >>>>>> MuleSoft provides support for Apache CXF as a part of its Mule >>>>>> enterprise subscription offering. Mule is a popular open source ESB >>>>>> and integration platform, with support for SOAP web services, as well >>>>>> as REST, JMS, File and over 100+ additional transports. >>>>>> >>>>>> Sosnoski Software Associates Ltd >>>>>> >>>>>> Sosnoski Software Associates Ltd provides training and support for >>>>>> CXF, along with training and support for web services security and >>>>>> SOA based on CXF. >>>>>> >>>>>> Talend >>>>>> >>>>>> Talend provides enterprise level services and support for Apache CXF >>>>>> and their Talend Service Factory product which is a repackaging of >>>>>> CXF including a full, pre-configured OSGi runtime container. Talend >>>>>> also has a package of examples that demonstrate many of CXF's >>>>>> advanced features including JAX-RS use cases, OSGi deployments, >>>>>> Security, etc... Talend also employs the leading CXF committers that >>>>>> are experts in all areas of CXF including JAX-RS, JAX-WS, >>>>>> WS-Security, etc... to make sure any bugs and issues can be resolved >>>>>> quickly and accurately. >>>>>> >>>>>> Change Notification Preferences >>>>>> View Online | Add Comment > > -- > Daniel Kulp > dk...@apache.org > http://dankulp.com/blog
